Trimming on BO: Member Steven Tormollan = etheljean2014 on eBay & Proven Card Trimmer

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

Further inquiry into what exactly? What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? Are you accusing me of something? Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything.

Nobody trusts graded cards any more.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

Further inquiry into what exactly? What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? Are you accusing me of something? Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything.

it appears he believes you are granted favorable grades because you used to work there

::rolls eyes::

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Nobody trusts graded cards any more.

grading is a scam

[Bassplayah101]

Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

The Brady's are the last ones I sell.



In February 2020.

After #7.


Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[kyaa]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

Further inquiry into what exactly? What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? Are you accusing me of something? Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything.

I'm happy to answer your questions directly.

Further inquiry into what exactly? Into how it is that you seem to consistently get more BGS 10s and Black Labels than anyone else. You account for about 25% of all recent Black Label sales on eBay. That's a lot for one person, especially one who isn't one of eBay's biggest card sellers.

What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? I don't think I'm entitled to that. You argued that the explanation for your grading success was buying tons of cards and grading tons of cards. So I'm asking if you're willing to offer any proof of that, such as sharing the complete results from one of your large grading submissions that includes some of the BGS 10s and Black Labels. Or sharing photos of the purportedly dozens of 2018 TC Update 9.5s that you haven't listed on eBay.

Are you accusing me of something? No. I don't have enough information to know exactly what is going on. That's why I'm asking questions. But I'm not persuaded by your explanation for your grading success either.

Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? No.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything. I don't have an end game. But it seems fishy to me that one person has so many BGS 10s and Black Labels so I'm trying to understand how that's happening. And since you're the recipient of the good grades, I wanted to be direct and see if you can offer a credible explanation, supported by evidence, for your success. Whether you can or will do that, remains to be seen.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

grading is a scam

No, you keep saying this!

Grading was never really the scam, only the prices some paid for graded cards was the scam.

Some people let themselves believe grading was something it never really was...and really could never be when one really thought about it.

[unclemonkey]

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[pejc300]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

You and I talked about this via PM back in March but I'm happy to go over it again.

I'm not going to take the time to screenshot anything because quite frankly I don't have to defend myself. I will tell you I can sell you 20 count lots of Acuna and Soto Chrome, Chrome Update, and Update 9.5's that I thought were 10 worthy that didn't make it. I can sell you multiple 100 count raw lots of the same 3 brands of Acuna, Soto, Buehler, Hoskins, and every other player in those sets that were not nice enough to submit. I can sell you a 50 count lot of each of the guys in Heritage as well. I don't list them because I'm not happy with the prices right now. I also don't list the 9.5's because I'm not happy with the prices on those either. I have 300 cards at PSA right now as well so you'll see those hit my account in the next couple of months. I expect a high percentage of PSA 10's and no, I didn't work there. The fact is I don't take chances on the cards I send in for grading. If I see a flaw, I don't submit it. It's that simple. Far too often people submit cards that they know has a flaw and then are mad when it doesn't grade well. I don't do that. As you can see from my account I deal in mostly cheap graded stuff so I can't afford to take chances.

As for what I spend, I've done $10k+ in purchases and trades on this very site in the last week and a half, $6800 of which was from sarahmc143. I spend multiple thousands of dollars a month with Ryan Stranko, also a member on this site. I did a $2k trade with distressedcards last week. I've bought multiple high $100's and 4 figure packages on Blowout mostly consisting of the cards you see graded on my eBay account. It's not hard to see what I'm buying, just search for the threads I've started. Just do your own homework.

Any other personal questions I can answer?

Originally Posted by WJCIII

Further inquiry into what exactly? What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? Are you accusing me of something? Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything.

"I don't have to defend myself!" (then proceeds to defend himself) Classic.

I'ma be honest here...the defensive post above is generally what people who end up getting caught post..."but....but...but..." You also forget your military service, sick child, and God bless.

And, I think you probably should quickly produce a picture of all the 9.5's you mentioned, with you in it, and today's date. Like, fast. Just like many, many guys here who have submitted hundreds and thousands of cards and have no black labels to show, you have an awful lot of them. So, prove us wrong. I have no problem apologizing.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by pejc300

"I don't have to defend myself!" (then proceeds to defend himself) Classic.

I'ma be honest here...the defensive post above is generally what people who end up getting caught post..."but....but...but..." You also forget your military service, sick child, and God bless.

And, I think you probably should quickly produce a picture of all the 9.5's you mentioned, with you in it, and today's date. Like, fast. Just like many, many guys here who have submitted hundreds and thousands of cards and have no black labels to show, you have an awful lot of them. So, prove us wrong. I have no problem apologizing.

Can you search the say..... 200 cards around his black label serial number?

[49erRCCollector]

The level of misdirected outrage around here is reaching AOL political comment section levels.

I just completed a 120 card PSA sub of my personal raw cards, many pack-pulled by me. The grading is a scam thing is tiresome. Scamming is a scam.

[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on comc

boda! Boda! Boda!

[Archangel1775]

Off topic:

I havent graded anything before. However, I have over 3000 cards sitting in CS1's ready to go, no kidding. Additionally, I have a group break lot of over 500 Yasiel Puig 2013 RC's to filter thru. I probably bought over 10 cases of 2014 Bowman Draft paper and have over 200 Bryants,Correas,Judge etc. in my "To grade" pile. My point is......it's possible to have a ton of cr*p sent in at once. Also, if I were to do a 1000 car sub and put a "Minimum Grade" of 9.5 for BGS, wouldn't my grade pop be ONLY BGS 9.5 or better? IOT, there wouldnt be anything less showing.


Edited to add: Steven's a douche

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by altaeria

Based on everything I’ve read around here,
I assume his first instinct would be to circumcise them.

What if he REALLY likes Calamari...?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Stick around here until the end of the week at least.

This sounds juicy.

[jstephens24]

Kyaa just add the wax on chrome cards that some do and maybe you will get black labels too

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by kyaa

I'm happy to answer your questions directly.

Further inquiry into what exactly? Into how it is that you seem to consistently get more BGS 10s and Black Labels than anyone else. You account for about 25% of all recent Black Label sales on eBay. That's a lot for one person, especially one who isn't one of eBay's biggest card sellers.

What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? I don't think I'm entitled to that. You argued that the explanation for your grading success was buying tons of cards and grading tons of cards. So I'm asking if you're willing to offer any proof of that, such as sharing the complete results from one of your large grading submissions that includes some of the BGS 10s and Black Labels. Or sharing photos of the purportedly dozens of 2018 TC Update 9.5s that you haven't listed on eBay.

Are you accusing me of something? No. I don't have enough information to know exactly what is going on. That's why I'm asking questions. But I'm not persuaded by your explanation for your grading success either.

Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? No.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything. I don't have an end game. But it seems fishy to me that one person has so many BGS 10s and Black Labels so I'm trying to understand how that's happening. And since you're the recipient of the good grades, I wanted to be direct and see if you can offer a credible explanation, supported by evidence, for your success. Whether you can or will do that, remains to be seen.

A reply will clear up all doubts of WJCIII getting preferential treatment by BGS

[WJCIII]

Originally Posted by kyaa

I'm happy to answer your questions directly.

Further inquiry into what exactly? Into how it is that you seem to consistently get more BGS 10s and Black Labels than anyone else. You account for about 25% of all recent Black Label sales on eBay. That's a lot for one person, especially one who isn't one of eBay's biggest card sellers.

What makes you think you're entitled to know my grading success rate? I don't think I'm entitled to that. You argued that the explanation for your grading success was buying tons of cards and grading tons of cards. So I'm asking if you're willing to offer any proof of that, such as sharing the complete results from one of your large grading submissions that includes some of the BGS 10s and Black Labels. Or sharing photos of the purportedly dozens of 2018 TC Update 9.5s that you haven't listed on eBay.

Are you accusing me of something? No. I don't have enough information to know exactly what is going on. That's why I'm asking questions. But I'm not persuaded by your explanation for your grading success either.

Is "further inquiry" some sort of threat? No.

I guess I'm just trying to figure out your end game and why you think I owe you some sort of explanation of anything. I don't have an end game. But it seems fishy to me that one person has so many BGS 10s and Black Labels so I'm trying to understand how that's happening. And since you're the recipient of the good grades, I wanted to be direct and see if you can offer a credible explanation, supported by evidence, for your success. Whether you can or will do that, remains to be seen.

Before we continue, can I have your name so I know who I'm talking to? I'm pretty sure you already know me but just in case, my name is Joe Clemons.

[WJCIII]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

A reply will clear up all doubts of WJCIII getting preferential treatment by BGS

I wish it were that easy.

By the way, my $4k offer on your Trout still stands if you decide to move it.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by WJCIII

I wish it were that easy.

By the way, my $4k offer on your Trout still stands if you decide to move it.

Did you still work at Beckett when you were helping 1st class card guys?

What about SSI Investments, did you help them grade cards, or did Silheet & company - just have free run of the place?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I'm still unsure how to approach identifying likely trimmed cards vs. most likely not trimmed cards in PSA holders. To start, just because it's in a Lighthouse holder does not mean it's newly graded. I "reholdered" my top 25 cards to Lighthouse slabs soon after they came out; the serial number stays the same. I also have a card with a label I believe is pre-2008 (since GEM MT 10 is all on the same line) that has a serial number of 81689xxx. Based on that number, it would have been graded in the future. Did they start over at some point? It would be nice to get a database going so others have an idea of when the cards were graded since PSA refuses to do so for some reason.

Originally Posted by Craiggysanford

Does the one you have that starts with an 8 have 1 less number then newer ones? Could have been in the 8,000,000 instread of 80,000,000 or 80,000,000 instead of 800,000,000 or whatever theyre on now.

The thead has moved in a different direction since my post yesterday, but no, PSA is on (approx) serial number 43,000,000. My Kobe in a pre-2008 PSA holder is serial numbered 81,000,000-something. Also, based on my records, a card I had graded 4/9/2018 was serial number 30,500,000-something and only 4 months later at the National (8/3/2018) I had a card graded that was serial numbered 41,900,000-something. I'd just like to pin down how you are able to approximate a date of submission/grading based on the serial number of the holder. It seems like a harder task than it should be. Any help is appreciated!

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

Is it a celebrity trimmer? Let me guess, Pink? Lady Gaga?

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

No, but I've been told that there's one of those too.

Hmmmm. Let me guess. Starts with an E and ends with an M.

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

No, you keep saying this!

Grading was never really the scam, only the prices some paid for graded cards was the scam.

Some people let themselves believe grading was something it never really was...and really could never be when one really thought about it.

I thought collectors/investors paid premium prices for high graded cards because of their scarcity / low population in the market

But today it seems that more of the recent modern day card releases are receiving PSA 10’s & BGS 10’s

Why are premium prices still being paid for these cards ?

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Hmmmm. Let me guess. Starts with an E and ends with an M.

That’s who immediately came to my mind too....

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Hmmmm. Let me guess. Starts with an E and ends with an M.

EM is a celebrity?

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

I thought collectors/investors paid premium prices for high graded cards because of their scarcity / low population in the market

But today it seems that more of the recent modern day card releases are receiving PSA 10’s & BGS 10’s

Why are premium prices still being paid for these cards ?

Because they are worth what people are willing to pay. For you and others members here, we understand that buying a raw card and grading it is much cheaper than buying an already graded 10. However, we represent the a minority in the market and have a heavy presence in the "investment" side of the hobby. Casual collectors that don't get bulk grading pricing find it much easier to just pay a premium for one already graded.