Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Westwave]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I was one of those saying 11-6 would be the worst they would end up. The 11-6 counted for 1 dud game and they took it right away with TEN lol.

I still think we'll see some adjustments/improvements and they'll beat NYG and PIT and sweep DEN and LV.

GB, Dal, LA, and CIN all look like losses though without some huge shift.

So does 9-8 get into the playoffs? I'm guessing even with how bad they've looked no one will want to face them in the playoffs even as a 9-8 wild card.

Yes no one will want to face a road team with a horrible defence and a shaky at best O-Line at home in the playoffs.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Westwave

Yes no one will want to face a road team with a horrible defence and a shaky at best O-Line at home in the playoffs.

If they make the playoffs there's an assumption the defense improved to 2018 level bad.

[chuckerrrr]

Reading this thread is very entertaining.

Lovers....
Haters....

Which way will Pattys career go?

Only time will tell.

Until then I will enjoy the back and forth of this thread.


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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I was one of those saying 11-6 would be the worst they would end up. The 11-6 counted for 1 dud game and they took it right away with TEN lol.

I still think we'll see some adjustments/improvements and they'll beat NYG and PIT and sweep DEN and LV.

GB, Dal, LA, and CIN all look like losses though without some huge shift.

So does 9-8 get into the playoffs? I'm guessing even with how bad they've looked no one will want to face them in the playoffs even as a 9-8 wild card.

I do like your optimism TSonn, but the Steelers game and the two Raiders games are not automatic wins at all. On the other hand, I can see them beating Dallas and even Cincy.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Never hurts taking profit. I know you had turned down some pretty big valuations from the fractional share companies. In your new partnership did you have to take a haircut from previous valuations based on the recent Goldin sale? If you don't feel like disclosing that is fine also, but I was curious. Thanks

I passed on 685K cash offer in July. I am valuing it lower now ($525K) based on the recent drop in prices. I prefer to keep 50% stake and this gives me the opportunity to do so albeit at a lower valuation. I was ready to offer it to Fractional share company in April for 350K but they valued it at 250K and hence I passed on it at that time. 525K is a nice jump from 250K in April. I paid 15K for this card in 2019, so not really concerned about the fluctuation in prices.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Yes I do! I think any semi-intelligent person can watch the games and realize that he and the whole offense is pressing basically every possession. My guess is they feel a responsibility to score every single possession because the defense has shown they may allow a score every single possession. That pressing has led to some bonehead turnovers (I'm looking at you, INT before the half at WAS) and some unfortunate bounces (I'm looking at you, perfect throws to Hill that he tipped right to the defender for an INT).

This turnover show is temporary. Either the defense will get better or Mahomes will start to take it easy and realize this year isn't it with how bad the defense is.

So where does he rank in the turnover department? You found the other rankings but I understand this one is hard to find.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, selling 50% stake to one individual.

Awesome. Congrats.

Sounds like a smart move to be able to cash out and keep yourself in the game with further profits.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I do like your optimism TSonn, but the Steelers game and the two Raiders games are not automatic wins at all. On the other hand, I can see them beating Dallas and even Cincy.

If there's one team that might not be able to do much against even this Chiefs defense, it's PIT. Have you seen them this year? Bottom offensive stats - worse than Goff/DET and Darnold/CAR.

GB is super low in total offense this year too but I think Rodgers will carve up this Chiefs defense. CIN/LA/LV are all in the same tier (10th-14th) so you're right that LV might not be automatic wins - but CIN and LA might still be on the table. DAL with the #1 offense should easily destroy the Chiefs defense but who knows.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I passed on 685K cash offer in July. I am valuing it lower now ($525K) based on the recent drop in prices. I prefer to keep 50% stake and this gives me the opportunity to do so albeit at a lower valuation. I was ready to offer it to Fractional share company in April for 350K but they valued it at 250K and hence I passed on it at that time. 525K is a nice jump from 250K in April. I paid 15K for this card in 2019, so not really concerned about the fluctuation in prices.

Gotcha, thanks. I thought you had mentioned getting an offer of $900k from one of the fractional share companies and keeping half but turning it down.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

So where does he rank in the turnover department? You found the other rankings but I understand this one is hard to find.

I'm not the one being dense. You asked...

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

You gave his good stats and told me where he ranked in QB stats but you didn't respond to where he ranked in QB turnovers this year. Do you know?

I responded with "Yes I do!". I answered your question and then offered critical analysis. If you wanted a different answer, try thinking critically about the questions you ask before asking them.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I'm not the one being dense. You asked...



I responded with "Yes I do!". I answered your question and then offered critical analysis. If you wanted a different answer, try thinking critically about the questions you ask before asking them.

He is near the top or at the top. That is what happens when you get exposed!!

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I'm not the one being dense. You asked...



I responded with "Yes I do!". I answered your question and then offered critical analysis. If you wanted a different answer, try thinking critically about the questions you ask before asking them.

Please stop engaging him. I have him blocked because he offers nothing to the thread but he keeps getting quoted.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

He is near the top or at the top. That is what happens when you get exposed!!

Just took a stroll through your post history and this is really my fault for assuming you were someone capable of having an intelligent discussion.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Please stop engaging him. I have him blocked because he offers nothing to the thread but he keeps getting quoted.

Done and done.

[88horsepower]

I think a lot of people assumed that Mahomes would go on to win several championships with ease based on how hot he was coming out of the gate. However, what we are seeing right now is evidence for how ridiculously hard it is to maintain an elite level of greatness and win at the highest level of competition, year in-year out. The Chiefs are not a complete football team and have been successful in spite of their glaring issues on defense.

What I'm seeing right now from Mahomes reminds me an awful lot of what I saw from Peyton Manning during his first several years in Indy. Peyton came out of the gate swinging in his second year and was primed for several Super Bowls in the eyes of many prognosticators who felt he was the next big thing. Unfortunately, the Colts had a horrific defense during the Mora era and early on in the Dungy era before they found a groove starting in 2005.

What Manning often would do during those early days was force the ball to compensate for just how awful his own defense was. The perception was cemented that the Colts needed to score on every drive to keep up with their opponents, even when it didn't call for it, and Manning would turn the ball over or throw a ball into a dangerously tight spot where it could have been picked off. I see Mahomes starting to do this, as well, and it's a bit of a bummer to see Kansas City potentially squander his talent if this keeps up.

What's unjust about the people giving Mahomes crap is how they seem to be completely forgetting how insanely good he is despite the turnover issues. I suspect he wouldn't be turning the ball over nearly as often if his line could protect him and his defense didn't mimic a busted dam every time they face a competent offense. The defense is currently ranked 27th in scoring and 28th in yards. That isn't going to win many championships no matter how great your quarterback is.

Mahomes shouldn't be throwing some of the passes he's thrown this year, so I'm not letting him off the hook, but the team is blowing this opportunity unless they get the defense figured out and protect him better.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Awesome. Congrats.

Sounds like a smart move to be able to cash out and keep yourself in the game with further profits.

Thank you.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Please stop engaging him. I have him blocked because he offers nothing to the thread but he keeps getting quoted.

I actually added him to my blocked list as well, first ever. Members with join dates during/post the pandemic just aren’t my kinda people.

[jjrpilot]

One of my buddies that collects Mahomes as well told me the other day: "You know none of those guys that bought and sold the big cards aren't any smarter than anyone else. It was just luck."

That's what makes this hobby great though. It really is dumb luck. Mahomes could have easily NOT been great too.

I'm happy for ALL users who have made anything on Mahomes!!!

In the end, it's smart not to have all your eggs in one basket. I haven't purchased a Mahomes rookie in some time...I've been chasing other nice cards to help balance out my Mahomes collection.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

One of my buddies that collects Mahomes as well told me the other day: "You know none of those guys that bought and sold the big cards aren't any smarter than anyone else. It was just luck."

That's what makes this hobby great though. It really is dumb luck. Mahomes could have easily NOT been great too.

I'm happy for ALL users who have made anything on Mahomes!!!

In the end, it's smart not to have all your eggs in one basket. I haven't purchased a Mahomes rookie in some time...I've been chasing other nice cards to help balance out my Mahomes collection.

I disagree with your friend. I obviously didn't know Mahomes would win as many games as he has but with Reid there I knew his stats would be huge. I knew they would let him air it out which is what people love to see. I bought a total of one Trubisky card in 2017 just to have one but had no faith in Chicago creating a great QB. I bought a ton of Watson partially because I live in Houston and partially because I loved how he played in Clemson. I backed him up with Mahomes and when Mahomes started getting hot, his cards were still very cheap. I've posted a few purchases like the Field Level Silver and stack of Prizms from December 2018. I already had a lot but really accumulated some during that period. That wasn't luck and most people here got in on him around that time when cards were still a small fraction of what they are now.

Then again, I wish I still had some of them like the PSA 10 Optic rainbow from /5 down that I sold. No worries though. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

One of my buddies that collects Mahomes as well told me the other day: "You know none of those guys that bought and sold the big cards aren't any smarter than anyone else. It was just luck."

That's what makes this hobby great though. It really is dumb luck. Mahomes could have easily NOT been great too.

I'm happy for ALL users who have made anything on Mahomes!!!

In the end, it's smart not to have all your eggs in one basket. I haven't purchased a Mahomes rookie in some time...I've been chasing other nice cards to help balance out my Mahomes collection.

The “luck” was the card market explosion which put the values into another stratosphere.

Downplaying the guys who put in money early is absurd.

I had a chance to pick up the Mahomes gold prizm auto /10 BGS 9.5 on blowout. The seller was at $900 in the off-season after his rookie year. I was at $700 and we didn’t make a deal. I settled with a booklet NT Auto /99 but the gold is a six figure card now. Some of these guys on here invested a large amount of money and were rewarded. To me that’s not lucky.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

The “luck” was the card market explosion which put the values into another stratosphere.

Downplaying the guys who put in money early is absurd.

I had a chance to pick up the Mahomes gold prizm auto /10 BGS 9.5 on blowout. The seller was at $900 in the off-season after his rookie year. I was at $700 and we didn’t make a deal. I settled with a booklet NT Auto /99 but the gold is a six figure card now. Some of these guys on here invested a large amount of money and were rewarded. To me that’s not lucky.

Agreed. People say the same thing about my boss. We were just talking about when he saw the Forbes 400 magazine and said, one day I'm going to be on that list. He is currently around 6 billion in net worth and 150 on the list. People say he got lucky but I've worked with him for 28 years and see him work harder than anyone that says that.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Gotcha, thanks. I thought you had mentioned getting an offer of $900k from one of the fractional share companies and keeping half but turning it down.

The highest cash offer I received was 685K from a fractional share company in July. They wanted to buy it for their own personal collection and there was no option for me to keep 50% stake in the card.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

One of my buddies that collects Mahomes as well told me the other day: "You know none of those guys that bought and sold the big cards aren't any smarter than anyone else. It was just luck."

That's what makes this hobby great though. It really is dumb luck. Mahomes could have easily NOT been great too.

I'm happy for ALL users who have made anything on Mahomes!!!

In the end, it's smart not to have all your eggs in one basket. I haven't purchased a Mahomes rookie in some time...I've been chasing other nice cards to help balance out my Mahomes collection.

I admit when I bought a few Mahomes a year ago I had no idea the market was going to explode. If anyone says they saw this coming they're lying at worst, or at least embellishing their own foresight at best.

For every Mahomes I've bought that exploded, there's been 5 guys that haven't panned out. For us to act like we saw it all coming, well....then why didn't you buy 100 more? I'm humble enough to admit I got a little lucky from time to time. And I'm just an average Joe.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Agreed. People say the same thing about my boss. We were just talking about when he saw the Forbes 400 magazine and said, one day I'm going to be on that list. He is currently around 6 billion in net worth and 150 on the list. People say he got lucky but I've worked with him for 28 years and see him work harder than anyone that says that.

Exactly. It’s more than dumb luck.

I would actually say the people who got “lucky” with Mahomes were people who ripped cheap wax/packs in 2017 and 2018 and were sitting on countless base rookies which went from $5 cards to hundreds.

The guys who put in serious money were the smart/savvy guys who saw the potential. $1000 for a Mahomes in 2017 was a risky proposition and people who believed in him are certainly not lucky. Just my opinion .

[BosPats1980]

I disagree with your friend. I feel like it’s actually doing research and using your own knowledge of the sport and industry that helps make great plays. I was in huge on DeShaun Watson early owning several NTs and more than half of the championship tickets made. They were priced similarly at release but I didn’t know anything about Mahomes. Watson just won a national championship. As time went on and as Mahomes clearly separated himself from the rest of the NFL I just kept waiting for Watson to become Mahomes. He clearly wasn’t able to do so. It was in November of 2019 that I sold every one of my Watson cards, checked my ego at the door, and started buying Mahomes stuff when he got hurt and his cards took a dip, even though his prices were already “too high”. Instead of getting the prospect and hoping he’d be the best I realized it was better to just buy the best. I don’t feel like that’s luck. I feel like people create their own paths and you need to take responsibility for it whether it works out or doesn’t.

[QUOTE=jjrpilot;17745885]One of my buddies that collects Mahomes as well told me the other day: "You know none of those guys that bought and sold the big cards aren't any smarter than anyone else. It was just luck."

That's what makes this hobby great though. It really is dumb luck. Mahomes could have easily NOT been great too.

I'm happy for ALL users who have made anything on Mahomes!!!

In the end, it's smart not to have all your eggs in one basket. I haven't purchased a Mahomes rookie in some time...I've been chasing other nice cards to help balance out my Mahomes collection.[/QUOTE]