Max Scherzer and the Hall of Fame

Prenticles · 04-01-2017, 09:05 AM

Entering 2017

-4x All Star (2013-16)

-Won Cy Young in American (2013, Tigers) and National (2016, Nationals) Leagues. Any others who won in both leagues are a HOFer (Roy Halladay will be in soon)

-3x Win Leader (2013, 2014, 2016)

-2 No Hitters

-20 Strikeout Game

AL Winning Percentage Leader (2013)
NL Innings Pitched Leader (2016)
NL Strikeouts Leader (2016)
NL Complete Games Leader (2015)
NL Shutouts Leader (2015)

5 consecutive 200K seasons.

HOFAutoRookies · 04-01-2017, 09:14 AM

IMO, not even close...yet

oldgoldy97 · 04-01-2017, 09:16 AM

Leading the league in anything can sometimes mean that you were best of the worst.

Big35Hurt · 04-01-2017, 09:17 AM

Agreed.....not close at this time. If he were to retire today, he wouldn't even be eligible. IMO he needs another 5-6 years of solid pitching to be seriously considered.

Jmort23 · 04-01-2017, 09:18 AM

Yes, especially after one more CY YOUNG award and hopefully a World Series Ring.

NeedChapmans · 04-01-2017, 09:21 AM

No, not close.

Davesportscards · 04-01-2017, 09:22 AM

If he can keep this up for a few more years I think so. Dude doesn't quit. Guy is a flat out workhorse.

NeedChapmans · 04-01-2017, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Davesportscards

If he can keep this up for a few more years I think so. Dude doesn't quit. Guy is a flat out workhorse.

Sure. Gimme three more 200/200 years with 50 wins, and we'll talk.

Davesportscards · 04-01-2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sure. Gimme three more 200/200 years with 50 wins, and we'll talk.

We're talking about it now.

mgsenny · 04-01-2017, 09:55 AM

He is 1000000% on track to becoming a HoFer. That said, he isn't one yet.

Josh611 · 04-01-2017, 09:59 AM

Hes a HOFer in terms of contracts. Getting paid 7 years after you are done playing with the team is a winner in my book

NeedChapmans · 04-01-2017, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Davesportscards

We're talking about it now.

Heh, well it's a non-starter now. He's 32, light on the counting stats, and his premier pitch is the rising fastball, which will start to fade sometime soon.

I don't think his track projects anything close to HOF right now.

ThoseBackPages · 04-01-2017, 10:19 AM

No.

Lovingly,
Tim Lincecum

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 04-01-2017, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

No.

Lovingly,
Tim Lincecum

Must have been reading my mind..

Thinking · 04-01-2017, 10:29 AM

Has the potential but way way too early.

Ottomatic · 04-01-2017, 10:37 AM

I think if he has two more ace level seasons this becomes an interesting conversation. I don't think that would put him there, but he'd be getting close. With pitchers you truly never know. With anybody really, but especially pitchers.

preakness · 04-01-2017, 10:40 AM

I like his eyes

jmscoggin · 04-01-2017, 10:55 AM

I say no BUT ... I've already purchased an autograph for possible future inclusion into my HOF Auto PC. He has a lot of work to do no doubt but the door is still open.

jmscoggin · 04-01-2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Leading the league in anything can sometimes mean that you were best of the worst.

I see where you're going, say leading the league in hitting into double plays or a hitter leading in strikeouts. However, that would make them the worst of the worst, nothing "best" about it.

mattglet · 04-01-2017, 11:17 AM

I like to look at the JAWS rankings, which is an average of the player's career WAR and their 7 year peak WAR.

Starting Pitcher JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com

For reference, Scherzer is currently behind Jose Rijo.

Davesportscards · 04-01-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I say no BUT ... I've already purchased an autograph for possible future inclusion into my HOF Auto PC. He has a lot of work to do no doubt but the door is still open.

Love me some Scherzer

signal_fifty · 04-01-2017, 11:34 AM

I came here to say no, but then I remembered today was April 1st. So I'm not arguing about something I'm pretty sure is a joke.

Edit- now I know it's a joke, because you have Roy Halladay in your argument.

oldgoldy97 · 04-01-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I see where you're going, say leading the league in hitting into double plays or a hitter leading in strikeouts. However, that would make them the worst of the worst, nothing "best" about it.

Not quite the idea I'm talking about.

If someone bats .290 and leads the league because everyone else did worse then big whoop. I'm not saying that would be hall worthy. It just means they did the least worst of a down year. Somebody has to have the highest batting average. Or if a pitcher leads the league with 15 wins. Bob Hamelin won the ROY because somebody had to win, not because he was actually all that good of a rookie.

At my job, I'm graded against other people doing the same job across the country. There was a point where I was doing so much better than everyone else that I didn't consider them competition. I ended up trying to best myself on a weekly basis. Now a lot of those people have improved enough to the point where I actually need to watch out for them.

hofcollector2 · 04-01-2017, 11:48 AM

April fools, lol

Prenticles · 04-01-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by signal_fifty

I came here to say no, but then I remembered today was April 1st. So I'm not arguing about something I'm pretty sure is a joke.

Edit- now I know it's a joke, because you have Roy Halladay in your argument.

Happy April Fools.

Is this implying Halladay is or is not a HOFer?

04-01-2017, 09:05 AM	#1
Prenticles Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Somewhere where you can get free shipping to the Continental US Posts: 1,513	Max Scherzer and the Hall of Fame Entering 2017 -4x All Star (2013-16) -Won Cy Young in American (2013, Tigers) and National (2016, Nationals) Leagues. Any others who won in both leagues are a HOFer (Roy Halladay will be in soon) -3x Win Leader (2013, 2014, 2016) -2 No Hitters -20 Strikeout Game AL Winning Percentage Leader (2013) NL Innings Pitched Leader (2016) NL Strikeouts Leader (2016) NL Complete Games Leader (2015) NL Shutouts Leader (2015) 5 consecutive 200K seasons.

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HOFAutoRookies Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Medina, MN Posts: 4,922	Max Scherzer and the Hall of Fame IMO, not even close...yet

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Josh611 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 10,031	Hes a HOFer in terms of contracts. Getting paid 7 years after you are done playing with the team is a winner in my book __________________

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oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,474	Leading the league in anything can sometimes mean that you were best of the worst.

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Big35Hurt Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 9,538	Agreed.....not close at this time. If he were to retire today, he wouldn't even be eligible. IMO he needs another 5-6 years of solid pitching to be seriously considered.

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Jmort23 Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Providence Forge, VA Posts: 4,054 jmorton19	Yes, especially after one more CY YOUNG award and hopefully a World Series Ring.

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mgsenny Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,087 mgsenny25	He is 1000000% on track to becoming a HoFer. That said, he isn't one yet.

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Thinking Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 2,973	Has the potential but way way too early.

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Ottomatic Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 4,141 Ottomatic	I think if he has two more ace level seasons this becomes an interesting conversation. I don't think that would put him there, but he'd be getting close. With pitchers you truly never know. With anybody really, but especially pitchers.

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preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	I like his eyes

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jmscoggin Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: TX Posts: 21,444 jmscoggin jmscoggin	I say no BUT ... I've already purchased an autograph for possible future inclusion into my HOF Auto PC. He has a lot of work to do no doubt but the door is still open. __________________ https://www.hofautographcollector.com/

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mattglet Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 4,346	I like to look at the JAWS rankings, which is an average of the player's career WAR and their 7 year peak WAR. Starting Pitcher JAWS Leaders \| Baseball-Reference.com For reference, Scherzer is currently behind Jose Rijo. __________________ Creator of ListingAlarm - get instantly notified when a card you're looking for is listed on eBay! https://www.listingalarm.com Collecting Riley Pint - www.RileyPint.com Total owned: 77%, 1/1s: 71

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signal_fifty Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Brass City Posts: 1,064 signal_fifty signal_fifty	I came here to say no, but then I remembered today was April 1st. So I'm not arguing about something I'm pretty sure is a joke. Edit- now I know it's a joke, because you have Roy Halladay in your argument. __________________ Buying single signed HOF baseballs Last edited by signal_fifty; 04-01-2017 at 11:38 AM.

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hofcollector2 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,869	April fools, lol