What is wrong with this Jordan RC PSA 8?

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 08:04 PM

Looking to move it and I can't find a print mark, a surface flaw,
The centering is great, etc. I've seen 9's, even PSA 10'a that don't
Look better. Do I
A.) Send to PWCC and hope for the Certified High-End connotation?
B.) Send to BGS, hope for a 9.5
C.) Resend to PSA
D.) Place under my pillow and hope the Jordan Fairy replaces it w a PSA 10?

ThoseBackPages · 09-08-2017, 08:07 PM

move it how?

ThoseBackPages · 09-08-2017, 08:08 PM

ohhhh. ok

try the BST area?

you could always have it reviewed

ninjacookies · 09-08-2017, 08:14 PM

I'm interested.

How's the rear centering?

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

move it how?

Using some sort of shipping service, presumably after a PayPal transaction.

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'm interested.

How's the rear centering?

She's nice in the rear too! Pic attached.

mc1 · 09-08-2017, 08:51 PM

At first glance I thought it had some tilt. Looks like it is just the way it's sitting in the holder.

The bottom right corner has what appears to be discoloration. Maybe a stain? Probably just the lighting when you scanned or took the picture.

That whole right side looks a bit off, surface-wise.

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

At first glance I thought it had some tilt. Looks like it is just the way it's sitting in the holder.

The bottom right corner has what appears to be discoloration. Maybe a stain? Probably just the lighting when you scanned or took the picture.

That whole right side looks a bit off, surface-wise.

The entire right side is the shadow from my arm and my phone taking the picture. There is zero discoloration of any kind on the right side.

ninjacookies · 09-08-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Packerfan

She's nice in the rear too! Pic attached.

That is crazy nice. No fisheye either. I'm honestly pretty baffled by that grade, man.

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

At first glance I thought it had some tilt. Looks like it is just the way it's sitting in the holder.

The bottom right corner has what appears to be discoloration. Maybe a stain? Probably just the lighting when you scanned or took the picture.

That whole right side looks a bit off, surface-wise.

Here is the bottom half:

NoleinJax · 09-08-2017, 09:57 PM

Easy answer. D. Seriously though, I'd go with BGS since I don't see it getting a PSA 10, but a BGS 9.5 could be possible unless there's something we can't detect from the provided pics.

NoleinJax · 09-08-2017, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Packerfan

Here is the bottom half:

What's the little dot on the right blue border?

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Easy answer. D. Seriously though, I'd go with BGS since I don't see it getting a PSA 10, but a BGS 9.5 could be possible unless there's something we can't detect from the provided pics.

That settles it. Under the pillow she goes.

Starman101 · 09-08-2017, 10:05 PM

There's a slight touch of whitening on the left upper and lower corners which is a pretty automatic PSA 8

Based on my experience PSA WILL NOT grade a ANYTHING a PSA 9 if there is ANY touch of white on the corners, regardless if the centering is perfect (especially if its 2 corners)

Smart money crosses that to a BGS 9 with an 8.5 corner sub IMO

If your lucky you may even get a 9.5 with a 9 corner sub as the centering on that card is excellent though that would really be a long shot IMO

It is to my experience that in general BGS tends to be stricter on centering while PSA tends to be stricter on corners

wood minis · 09-08-2017, 10:11 PM

Fanastic card no matter the grade.

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Fanastic card no matter the grade.

Thanks Wood, but Starman makes a great point...the fact it COULD be a Gem 9.5, gives the card so much variance. Ugh.

Starman101 · 09-08-2017, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Packerfan

Thanks Wood, but Starman makes a great point...the fact it COULD be a Gem 9.5, gives the card so much variance. Ugh.

And if you send that to BGS in its PSA 8 case I will bet the farm that they WILL NOT cross that to a 9.5

However if you crack it and submit to BGS raw you risk damaging the card and losing the PSA 8 grade

Smart money submits that to BGS in its PSA 8 case with a BGS 9 minimum grade requirement IMO

Remember in this hobby there is a fine line between being smart and greedy

Let us know what you decide and how it works out for you

Starman101 · 09-08-2017, 10:36 PM

error (double posted)

Packerfan · 09-08-2017, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Starman101

And if you send that to BGS in its PSA 8 case I will bet the farm that they WILL NOT cross that to a 9.5

However if you crack it and submit to BGS raw you risk damaging the card and losing the PSA 8 grade

Smart money submits that to BGS in its PSA 8 case with a BGS 9 minimum grade requirement IMO

Remember in this hobby there is a fine line between being smart and greedy

Let us know what you decide and how it works out for you

I'd like to just sell it in its current holder and let others roll the dice!

Murphy8276 · 09-09-2017, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Packerfan

I'd like to just sell it in its current holder and let others roll the dice!

You are a power seller on ebay.

/thread

wood minis · 09-09-2017, 05:25 AM

How much are you looking to sell it for?

6celtics33 · 09-09-2017, 06:48 AM

PWCC would probably high end it thenif you sell as is. It is a strong 8. Be careful with shipping. It looks crooked and half the right side banging into that gasket. I've had bad experiences with psa and 86 fleer.

6celtics33 · 09-09-2017, 06:50 AM

This red trout got a 10 with like 2-3 touched corners so....... Maybe it depends which grader you get

http://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1148542

Packerfan · 09-09-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

How much are you looking to sell it for?

Run-of-the-mill 8's that are not centered and show a bunch of white go for what $1600-$1800. A BGS 9.5 goes for about $7000. It could bump. So $2500 obo

MJGOAT23 · 09-10-2017, 09:37 AM

Starman pretty much told the story...it also has minuscule print dots in the blue surrounding the name on the front and two rust colored dots around the "H" in Michael on the back...combined with the slight whitening of top left corner, slight rounding on the rear right corner, and seemingly some whitening top right edge ..Eye appeal is amazing though...and these are extreme nit picks but PSA is unforgiving. BGS is pretty tough on surface though too, but I could see it as a BGS 9 with higher end subs. I'd be interested in a crack and submit to BGS however it is a sizeable risk, so my offer would be hedging on the BGS 8.5 side vs. a BGS 9. My optimistic prediction would be 9.5 centering, 9 edges, 9 corners, 8.5 surface, for a 9 overall. But, it could just as easily be 9.5 centering, 9 edges, 8.5 corners and 8.5 surface making it an extremely nice, but still an 8.5 overall. PM me if you think this is rational.

09-08-2017, 08:04 PM	#1
Packerfan Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,441 buckswin07	What is wrong with this Jordan RC PSA 8? Looking to move it and I can't find a print mark, a surface flaw, The centering is great, etc. I've seen 9's, even PSA 10'a that don't Look better. Do I A.) Send to PWCC and hope for the Certified High-End connotation? B.) Send to BGS, hope for a 9.5 C.) Resend to PSA D.) Place under my pillow and hope the Jordan Fairy replaces it w a PSA 10? Last edited by Packerfan; 09-17-2018 at 05:01 PM.

09-08-2017, 08:07 PM	#2
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09-08-2017, 08:08 PM	#3
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,043 ThoseBackPages	ohhhh. ok try the BST area? you could always have it reviewed __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

09-08-2017, 09:57 PM	#11
NoleinJax Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: No clue anymore Posts: 8,742 ilovetheseminoles	Easy answer. D. Seriously though, I'd go with BGS since I don't see it getting a PSA 10, but a BGS 9.5 could be possible unless there's something we can't detect from the provided pics. __________________ Flickr (In Progress):https://www.flickr.com/photos/noleinjax/albums Looking for rare Jameis Winston rookies (Prizm White Sparkle, Gold Vinyl, etc), 1/1's and jersey #'d stuff. Last edited by NoleinJax; 09-08-2017 at 10:01 PM.

09-08-2017, 10:05 PM	#14
Starman101 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,894	There's a slight touch of whitening on the left upper and lower corners which is a pretty automatic PSA 8 Based on my experience PSA WILL NOT grade a ANYTHING a PSA 9 if there is ANY touch of white on the corners, regardless if the centering is perfect (especially if its 2 corners) Smart money crosses that to a BGS 9 with an 8.5 corner sub IMO If your lucky you may even get a 9.5 with a 9 corner sub as the centering on that card is excellent though that would really be a long shot IMO It is to my experience that in general BGS tends to be stricter on centering while PSA tends to be stricter on corners Last edited by Starman101; 09-08-2017 at 10:21 PM.

09-08-2017, 08:14 PM	#4
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,278	I'm interested. How's the rear centering?

09-08-2017, 08:51 PM	#7
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	At first glance I thought it had some tilt. Looks like it is just the way it's sitting in the holder. The bottom right corner has what appears to be discoloration. Maybe a stain? Probably just the lighting when you scanned or took the picture. That whole right side looks a bit off, surface-wise.

09-08-2017, 10:11 PM	#15
wood minis Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 4,097	Fanastic card no matter the grade.

09-08-2017, 10:36 PM	#18
Starman101 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,894	error (double posted)

09-09-2017, 05:25 AM	#21
wood minis Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 4,097	How much are you looking to sell it for?

09-09-2017, 06:48 AM	#22
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	PWCC would probably high end it thenif you sell as is. It is a strong 8. Be careful with shipping. It looks crooked and half the right side banging into that gasket. I've had bad experiences with psa and 86 fleer.

09-09-2017, 06:50 AM	#23
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	This red trout got a 10 with like 2-3 touched corners so....... Maybe it depends which grader you get http://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1148542

09-10-2017, 09:37 AM	#25
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,969 djhoog23	Starman pretty much told the story...it also has minuscule print dots in the blue surrounding the name on the front and two rust colored dots around the "H" in Michael on the back...combined with the slight whitening of top left corner, slight rounding on the rear right corner, and seemingly some whitening top right edge ..Eye appeal is amazing though...and these are extreme nit picks but PSA is unforgiving. BGS is pretty tough on surface though too, but I could see it as a BGS 9 with higher end subs. I'd be interested in a crack and submit to BGS however it is a sizeable risk, so my offer would be hedging on the BGS 8.5 side vs. a BGS 9. My optimistic prediction would be 9.5 centering, 9 edges, 9 corners, 8.5 surface, for a 9 overall. But, it could just as easily be 9.5 centering, 9 edges, 8.5 corners and 8.5 surface making it an extremely nice, but still an 8.5 overall. PM me if you think this is rational.