Is Geno Atkins A Hall Of Famer?

[No1CavsFan]

Discuss!
Certainly one of my favourite Bengals ever, a guy who will retire as the greatest defensive player in draft history, and somebody who's stats will hopefully see him in Canton someday

[IronMonkey415]

His career and numbers all point toward CANTON HERE I COME.

[JordanHoward24]

If he retired now? No. But if he can produce pro bowl worthy stats for a few more seasons than that may change. Great and underated player.

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[ucLAkers]

Yup.........

[No1CavsFan]

And here's something else to think about:

ALL-TIME SACKERS AT TACKLE
(profootballreference.com)
137.5 - John Randle in 219 games from 1990-2003 for .628 per game
96.5 - Warren Sapp in 198 games from 1995-2007 for .487 per game
95 - Steve McMichael in 213 games from 1980-1994 for .446 sacks per game
93.5 - Henry Thomas in 213 games from 1987-2000 for .439 per game
83.5 - La’Roi Glover in 193 games from 1996-2008 for .433 sacks per game.
ACTIVE LEADERS
55 - Geno Atkins in 107 games from 2010-2017 for .514 sacks per game
47 - Ndamukong Suh in 111 games from 2010-2017 for .423 per games
42.5 - Gerald McCoy in 95 games from 2010-2017 for .447 per game

He's averaged more sacks per game than Suh and McCoy, and more than 4 of the top 5 sack leaders among DTs all time

If that doesn't get him in Canton...

[NYGiants72]

Originally Posted by No1CavsFan

Discuss!
Certainly one of my favourite Bengals ever, a guy who will retire as the greatest defensive player in draft history, and somebody who's stats will hopefully see him in Canton someday

Do you mean in Bengals draft history?

Is it that you are a Bengals fan and looking to be positive about something after these last two weeks (I get it, really, I am a Giants fan). But you are jumping the shark a little here. The difference in the sack stats you stated below, and with Atkins' entire case is that his career spans just a little over 7 years. Most guys slow down later in their career. Some less than others, and those end up in the HOF.

I like Atkins a lot as a player, but I think you can't project him in the Hall until after 10 full seasons minimum. Doing that earlier for a player in my opinion would require a few years of absolute dominance I think Geno never fully achieved (talking LT, Ray Lewis, Revis, Watt - but even he had injuries that broke up that period).

[asujbl]

Sacks for tackles is hardly a good measuring stick. It's actually a horrible measuring stick. Considering a dude like McMichael or Thomas won't sniff the HOF since that's not really what DTs are used for.

Glover is by far, not even close, the best of those 3 yet dead last in the sacks per game between them

That's like the opposite argument I'd make for the DT position without a bunch of other context and rationale

Atkins is a beast though. So he's got plenty of time.

[Whodey14]

If he has continued success without question. He needs another 3 dominant seasons imo to get in with ease. If Burfict can get on the good side of the NFL and continue he has a chance too imo.

[MFaulkCollector]

geno atkins is not a hofer

for an interior lineman; i think you need more than 2 all pro teams and 45 sacks

warren sapp had nearly 100 sacks and was a first team all pro four times

suh, mccoy... they are not hofers either

to say atkins, suh, and mccoy are on the hof path if they play another 4-5 years at their peak level..... yes that is certainly within reason

to say any of them are "in" as of now....... nah, not even close

[dfr52]

Originally Posted by NYGiants72

Do you mean in Bengals draft history?

Is it that you are a Bengals fan and looking to be positive about something after these last two weeks (I get it, really, I am a Giants fan). But you are jumping the shark a little here. The difference in the sack stats you stated below, and with Atkins' entire case is that his career spans just a little over 7 years. Most guys slow down later in their career. Some less than others, and those end up in the HOF.

I like Atkins a lot as a player, but I think you can't project him in the Hall until after 10 full seasons minimum. Doing that earlier for a player in my opinion would require a few years of absolute dominance I think Geno never fully achieved (talking LT, Ray Lewis, Revis, Watt - but even he had injuries that broke up that period).

Agreed, a little early to state either way at this point. Very few players on either side of the ball have HOF careers after seven seasons.

[dfr52]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sacks for tackles is hardly a good measuring stick. It's actually a horrible measuring stick. Considering a dude like McMichael or Thomas won't sniff the HOF since that's not really what DTs are used for.

Glover is by far, not even close, the best of those 3 yet dead last in the sacks per game between them

That's like the opposite argument I'd make for the DT position without a bunch of other context and rationale

Atkins is a beast though. So he's got plenty of time.

Sacks are a great way to determine some of the better rushers in the interior. Thomas and McMichael were better players than what their accolades and awards show.

[Soxrule111]

Hes still like 5 years away.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by dfr52

Sacks are a great way to determine some of the better rushers in the interior. Thomas and McMichael were better players than what their accolades and awards show.

Couldn't disagree more

[popmaz]

Geno can go in as soon as Casey Hampton does.

[No1CavsFan]

Originally Posted by NYGiants72

Do you mean in Bengals draft history?

Is it that you are a Bengals fan and looking to be positive about something after these last two weeks (I get it, really, I am a Giants fan). But you are jumping the shark a little here. The difference in the sack stats you stated below, and with Atkins' entire case is that his career spans just a little over 7 years. Most guys slow down later in their career. Some less than others, and those end up in the HOF.

I like Atkins a lot as a player, but I think you can't project him in the Hall until after 10 full seasons minimum. Doing that earlier for a player in my opinion would require a few years of absolute dominance I think Geno never fully achieved (talking LT, Ray Lewis, Revis, Watt - but even he had injuries that broke up that period).

Yea sorry, in Bengals draft history lol

[No1CavsFan]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

geno atkins is not a hofer

for an interior lineman; i think you need more than 2 all pro teams and 45 sacks

warren sapp had nearly 100 sacks and was a first team all pro four times

suh, mccoy... they are not hofers either

to say atkins, suh, and mccoy are on the hof path if they play another 4-5 years at their peak level..... yes that is certainly within reason

to say any of them are "in" as of now....... nah, not even close

At this pace this year's he going for something like 26 sacks (which let's be real - he won't get anywhere near)

BUT if he can at least keep up to half of that pace that'll be a third all pro team

[rats60]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

geno atkins is not a hofer

for an interior lineman; i think you need more than 2 all pro teams and 45 sacks

warren sapp had nearly 100 sacks and was a first team all pro four times

suh, mccoy... they are not hofers either

to say atkins, suh, and mccoy are on the hof path if they play another 4-5 years at their peak level..... yes that is certainly within reason

to say any of them are "in" as of now....... nah, not even close

He has been 1st team all pro 3 times. That is more than Tom Brady.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by rats60

He has been 1st team all pro 3 times. That is more than Tom Brady.

Brady is the best DT of all time and don't you ever forget it!

[IronMonkey415]

I agree, DT in my eyes is DOUBLE THREAT.

In the air and on the ground.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by No1CavsFan

At this pace this year's he going for something like 26 sacks (which let's be real - he won't get anywhere near)

BUT if he can at least keep up to half of that pace that'll be a third all pro team

If geno Atkins quit today he is not getting a sniff of HOF talk. You asked if he was; and he is not. Adrian Peterson is a hofer today, tom Brady, brees, rodgers..... Jj watt with 3 DPOY is a hall of famer today. If you want to speculate "what" or "if" or "maybe if" then rephrase the question. Today geno is not a hofer. That is pretty crystal clear with a laundry list of current d guys ahead of him in personal accomplishment...., Kuechly, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson.... None of which are "in" as of today.... So let's hold the geno talk for a few years

[whodeynation765]

Originally Posted by popmaz

Geno can go in as soon as Casey Hampton does.

Laughable

[Siberian13]

How many playoff games has he won? Will that matter? Does he need a ring or does only apply to QBs for some reason?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Whodey14

If he has continued success without question. He needs another 3 dominant seasons imo to get in with ease. If Burfict can get on the good side of the NFL and continue he has a chance too imo.

This cannot go unnoticed.

[popmaz]

Originally Posted by whodeynation765

Laughable

Not as laughable as the Bengals offense

[Whodey14]

Originally Posted by rman112

This cannot go unnoticed.

I'm glad you agree!