Future Baseball Expansion?

TarjetasBéisbol · 10-17-2017, 07:31 AM

Nice article in Baseball America about the possibility of expansion. AL and NL would disappear, the season would be shortened to 156 games and new teams would be placed in Montreal and Portland and the divisions would be change to this;

East: Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay and Washington.

North: Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Montreal, both New York franchises and Toronto.

Midwest: Both Chicago franchises, Colorado, Houston, Kansas City, Milwaukee, St. Louis and Texas.

West: Anaheim, Arizona, Los Angeles, Oakland, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle.

Less travel and teams would stay more within their time zones. The 4 division winners would go into the DS and 8 teams would go into WC play-in games.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/colum...TGaO6eorCOr.97

griffan15 · 10-17-2017, 07:43 AM

Well the East would make for some boring baseball.

Scottish Punk · 10-17-2017, 07:56 AM

12 playoff teams? I don't like it. I also don't like Detroit and Chicago not being in the same division or all the other natural rivalries being watered down or destroyed. I guess the big question is, DH across the board then?

Skipscards · 10-17-2017, 08:00 AM

I loathe this.

Boo · 10-17-2017, 08:08 AM

Forget the regular season, just have the playoffs if that is the case.

TarjetasBéisbol · 10-17-2017, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

12 playoff teams? I don't like it. I also don't like Detroit and Chicago not being in the same division or all the other natural rivalries being watered down or destroyed. I guess the big question is, DH across the board then?

The DH does need to be on all teams.

You do realize that Detroit and Chicago weren't in the same division from 1969 to 1993 right? Edit; Actually Detroit didn't move to the Central until 1998.

1993 Standings

American League East

Toronto Blue Jays
New York Yankees
Baltimore Orioles
Detroit Tigers
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Milwaukee Brewers

American League West

Chicago White Sox
Texas Rangers
Kansas City Royals
Seattle Mariners
California Angels
Minnesota Twins
Oakland A's

National League East

Philadelphia Phillies
Montreal Expos
St. Louis Cardinals
Chicago Cubs
Pittsburgh Pirates
Florida Marlins
New York Mets

National League West

Atlanta Braves
San Francisco Giants
Houston Astros
Los Angeles Dodgers
Cincinnati Reds
Colorado Rockies
San Diego Padres

tkraft24 · 10-17-2017, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

I loathe this.

My sentiments exactly

palmetto7 · 10-17-2017, 08:24 AM

Only 1 player award at end of season? 1 mvp,Cy etc etc....dont think players union would go for this at all.

mbrown2626 · 10-17-2017, 08:24 AM

From a Tx Ranger perspective I can tell you that Playing in the AL West is a beating. 3 of the 5 teams are 2 time zones away so I miss a lot of games when they are on the road because so many of them start at 9pm TX time.

JackThree · 10-17-2017, 08:56 AM

I like it. It's different. But I would switch Portland to Vancouver. Let Canada have three teams. All three would be near the US/Canada border.

The only thing that concerns me (I didn't read the story, so don't crucify me), is the scheduling for the teams. Do the teams play every team during the season or a partial one where teams play their division, another division and a half of another - and rotate that every year, like what we have now?

nera20 · 10-17-2017, 09:00 AM

They should just get rid of divisions and just make it the top 10 teams make the playoffs and keep the playoff format the same. The breakdown of divisions is just a waste of time.

Get rid of the DH and make the pitcher hit for all teams

Ottomatic · 10-17-2017, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nera20

They should just get rid of divisions and just make it the top 10 teams make the playoffs and keep the playoff format the same. The breakdown of divisions is just a waste of time.

Get rid of the DH and make the pitcher hit for all teams

I think division are pretty important to lighten the travel load on players a bit.

decabo43 · 10-17-2017, 09:09 AM

I am in favor of a plan like this.

Montreal needs a team. Baseball is in the best position to expand globally.

Some expansion to Tokyo, Mexico City, Puerto Rico, Montreal, Vancouver should happen in the next 20 years.

JackThree · 10-17-2017, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nera20

Get rid of the DH and make the pitcher hit for all teams

Keep the DH. Most pitchers can't hit anyway. Besides let the pitchers earn their money by facing a DH. DH keeps careers going. Plus the Cubs then can keep Schwarber LOL.

Scottish Punk · 10-17-2017, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

The DH does need to be on all teams.

You do realize that Detroit and Chicago weren't in the same division from 1969 to 1993 right? Edit; Actually Detroit didn't move to the Central until 1998.

1993 Standings

American League East

Toronto Blue Jays
New York Yankees
Baltimore Orioles
Detroit Tigers
Boston Red Sox
Cleveland Indians
Milwaukee Brewers

How soon I forget, I stand corrected. I don't like the idea of getting rid of the leagues. All Star Game rules, as mentioned - single cy young/MVP. I guess you can keep these by splitting up the four division into two North/East and MidWest/West for All Star game and post season awards.

I would like to see how this works as far as the balance of schedule. It could work out in the end. It is a drastic shift in a sport that covets ties to history and comparing players/teams across eras.

I really don't want to see MLB (or any sport) get rid of divisions all together and just put the best records across the board and rank them for the playoffs. That would make for a really boring regular season.

hairysasquatch · 10-17-2017, 09:16 AM

Like a dog returning to his vomit, we have to hear about baseball in Montreal again.

scottagibson · 10-17-2017, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JackThree

Keep the DH. Most pitchers can't hit anyway. Besides let the pitchers earn their money by facing a DH. DH keeps careers going. Plus the Cubs then can keep Schwarber LOL.

THIS I agree with. Pitchers don't hit in college most of the time. They never hit in the minors and then all of a sudden they are expected to take hacks against other Major League starters? I am all about tradition... but the way the pitchers are brought up these days is not very conducive to their success.

awz50 · 10-17-2017, 09:23 AM

I hate all this.

I feel like an old man get off my porch by saying this

But stop changing baseball

fulltritty · 10-17-2017, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by awz50

I hate all this.

I feel like an old man get off my porch by saying this

But stop changing baseball

I knew if I stayed around long enough I would find common ground with awz50.

This would totally ruin the game of baseball and I would never watch again. There would also be no reason to collect memorabilia or baseball cards.

enbambam6986 · 10-17-2017, 09:30 AM

Same division as Minnesota? Uh, no thanks...

I'll trade them for Washington and that would make some great competition in the North.

PejaD · 10-17-2017, 09:33 AM

Not really sure Portland can support a MLB team given they don't even have a full season milb team currently. I always thought North Carolina or NY/NJ metro area would be a better market for expansion.

jlzinck · 10-17-2017, 10:11 AM

So assuming each team loses 3 home games I cannot see the Red Sox endorsing a $6 million loss in ticket sales and probably another 1.2 million in other sales for those 3 games

Astrodome · 10-17-2017, 10:19 AM

I'm already sick enough that they dumped the Astros into the AL after 50 years (success doesn't change that for me), but getting rid of the leagues entirely? Forget it. Then again, I don't really follow sports anymore, so I suppose it doesn't matter.

seanbros55 · 10-17-2017, 10:21 AM

I just threw up in my mouth.

JackThree · 10-17-2017, 10:27 AM

I'm feeling the "South" will feel left out....there's a protest waiting to happen right there.

10-17-2017, 07:31 AM	#1
TarjetasBéisbol Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 10,889	Future Baseball Expansion? Nice article in Baseball America about the possibility of expansion. AL and NL would disappear, the season would be shortened to 156 games and new teams would be placed in Montreal and Portland and the divisions would be change to this; East: Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay and Washington. North: Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Montreal, both New York franchises and Toronto. Midwest: Both Chicago franchises, Colorado, Houston, Kansas City, Milwaukee, St. Louis and Texas. West: Anaheim, Arizona, Los Angeles, Oakland, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco and Seattle. Less travel and teams would stay more within their time zones. The 4 division winners would go into the DS and 8 teams would go into WC play-in games. http://www.baseballamerica.com/colum...TGaO6eorCOr.97 __________________ De oppresso liber - RLTW "The Mexicans taught me that trick", "Let me be very clear, crystal clear"

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nera20 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 35,247	They should just get rid of divisions and just make it the top 10 teams make the playoffs and keep the playoff format the same. The breakdown of divisions is just a waste of time. Get rid of the DH and make the pitcher hit for all teams __________________ USA SHIPPING ONLY

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hairysasquatch Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the Woods, Central NY Posts: 34,654	Like a dog returning to his vomit, we have to hear about baseball in Montreal again. __________________ I am going signature-free

10-17-2017, 07:43 AM	#2
griffan15 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 7,520 griffan15	Well the East would make for some boring baseball.

10-17-2017, 07:56 AM	#3
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,282 scottishpunk	12 playoff teams? I don't like it. I also don't like Detroit and Chicago not being in the same division or all the other natural rivalries being watered down or destroyed. I guess the big question is, DH across the board then?

10-17-2017, 08:24 AM	#8
palmetto7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,427	Only 1 player award at end of season? 1 mvp,Cy etc etc....dont think players union would go for this at all.

10-17-2017, 08:24 AM	#9
mbrown2626 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 468	From a Tx Ranger perspective I can tell you that Playing in the AL West is a beating. 3 of the 5 teams are 2 time zones away so I miss a lot of games when they are on the road because so many of them start at 9pm TX time.

10-17-2017, 08:56 AM	#10
JackThree Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 4,015	I like it. It's different. But I would switch Portland to Vancouver. Let Canada have three teams. All three would be near the US/Canada border. The only thing that concerns me (I didn't read the story, so don't crucify me), is the scheduling for the teams. Do the teams play every team during the season or a partial one where teams play their division, another division and a half of another - and rotate that every year, like what we have now?

10-17-2017, 09:09 AM	#13
decabo43 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cbus, OH Posts: 237 scottsautograph scottsautograph	I am in favor of a plan like this. Montreal needs a team. Baseball is in the best position to expand globally. Some expansion to Tokyo, Mexico City, Puerto Rico, Montreal, Vancouver should happen in the next 20 years.

10-17-2017, 09:23 AM	#18
awz50 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: New Hampshire>>>Arizona>>>>Florida Posts: 32,898 awz50	I hate all this. I feel like an old man get off my porch by saying this But stop changing baseball __________________ Collecting Baseball Hof Autographs 247/351 Blowouts Official Red Sox face of the franchise Eduardo Rodriguez Super Collector

10-17-2017, 09:30 AM	#20
enbambam6986 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 12,472 enbambam	Same division as Minnesota? Uh, no thanks... I'll trade them for Washington and that would make some great competition in the North.

10-17-2017, 09:33 AM	#21
PejaD Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,062	Not really sure Portland can support a MLB team given they don't even have a full season milb team currently. I always thought North Carolina or NY/NJ metro area would be a better market for expansion.

10-17-2017, 10:11 AM	#22
jlzinck Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 35,004 jlzinck jl_zinck	So assuming each team loses 3 home games I cannot see the Red Sox endorsing a $6 million loss in ticket sales and probably another 1.2 million in other sales for those 3 games __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/jonzinck

10-17-2017, 10:19 AM	#23
Astrodome Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 43	I'm already sick enough that they dumped the Astros into the AL after 50 years (success doesn't change that for me), but getting rid of the leagues entirely? Forget it. Then again, I don't really follow sports anymore, so I suppose it doesn't matter.

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seanbros55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: From the 508 to the 707 Posts: 5,278	I just threw up in my mouth.

10-17-2017, 10:27 AM	#25
JackThree Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 4,015	I'm feeling the "South" will feel left out....there's a protest waiting to happen right there.