How come High Voltage 500 cards rarely pop up?

regularp · 11-10-2017, 02:13 AM

That's a fairly sizable print run of 500 and these only show up once in a blue moon. Even the pop reports on Beckett and PSA are pretty bare. Is there just a bunch of this stuff still sitting around in unopened wax?

gslayton · 11-10-2017, 03:10 AM

I found a ray Allen this week... Checked pop reports on Beckett... Half the players in the set have never had one single card graded! Wild

TMILL · 11-10-2017, 04:01 AM

I've seen 3 Olajuwon's on ebay in the past 6 months. Not sure about the other players, but for a 20 year old card, I think 3 times in 6 months isn't too rare. Still salty I was outbid on all 3 - cheapest went for about $85 shipped :'(

COMCMax · 11-10-2017, 05:50 AM

A lot of 90's inserts are showing up less and less that you should be widely available. I think collectors/investors are keep or banking on them down the road.

phdbeckett · 11-10-2017, 06:03 AM

I have a Kobe, which I have in PC since 2015. That said, I think I've seen 2-3 more on eBay since then. I used to have an Iverson too, guess where that was found? In a $3 grab bag a dealer set out on his table where it was the outside facing card to "entice" you to buy. That was in 2012 I believe. I was the only one looking the grab bags. You never know! Obviously he made that grab bag at least 10-15 years prior. Digging at its best!

Doublexthebeast · 11-10-2017, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gslayton

I found a ray Allen this week... Checked pop reports on Beckett... Half the players in the set have never had one single card graded! Wild

Like we were discussing the other day.......these cards are stupid rare considering the print run. I still need a Hill but they flat out never come up for sale.

Jocel · 11-10-2017, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by phdbeckett

I have a Kobe, which I have in PC since 2015. That said, I think I've seen 2-3 more on eBay since then. I used to have an Iverson too, guess where that was found? In a $3 grab bag a dealer set out on his table where it was the outside facing card to "entice" you to buy. That was in 2012 I believe. I was the only one looking the grab bags. You never know! Obviously he made that grab bag at least 10-15 years prior. Digging at its best!

Where is it now?

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jjohnson814 · 11-10-2017, 08:59 AM

There hasn't been a single Hardaway on eBay in over a year. Luckily I got a copy from a BO member. Maybe they lied about the print lol

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brettmik59 · 11-10-2017, 10:59 AM

I'm sitting on my AI PSA 9 thanks to Gslayton. I wonder if people just didn't think much of them since they were Hoops and /500? Maybe they got buried away with commons and other fairly worthless inserts.

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1997-98 Hoops High Voltage 500 Volts /500 PSA 9 (1) by Brett Mikulec, on Flickr[/IMG]

Orangejello727 · 11-10-2017, 11:30 AM

Its just a perception game. a /500 insert is still only limited to 500 copies whether they show up or not. It is not rarer than say a /50 insert just because it doesnt show up for sale as much.

the27guy · 11-10-2017, 11:34 AM

Sold 2 Pippens in the last couple months.

brettmik59 · 11-10-2017, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Its just a perception game. a /500 insert is still only limited to 500 copies whether they show up or not. It is not rarer than say a /50 insert just because it doesnt show up for sale as much.

You'd expect an /500 to show up more frequently than an /50 card, but that doesn't seem to be the case with these. I think overall, numbered inserts from the 90's just don't pop up as much, with people holding onto them. Maybe if prices rose, more sellers would emerge. Who knows.

pejc300 · 11-10-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Its just a perception game. a /500 insert is still only limited to 500 copies whether they show up or not. It is not rarer than say a /50 insert just because it doesnt show up for sale as much.

Normally I'd agree, but I think you're wrong in this case. Something seems to be off when you compare the pop reports to other similar cards/sets. I was lucky enough to get the Michael Jordan serial #500/500 from a guy who had it in a binder for 15 years. When I checked the pop report I couldn't believe it as I think maybe only like 40 had been graded or maybe even less.

Orangejello727 · 11-10-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brettmik59

You'd expect an /500 to show up more frequently than an /50 card, but that doesn't seem to be the case with these. I think overall, numbered inserts from the 90's just don't pop up as much, with people holding onto them. Maybe if prices rose, more sellers would emerge. Who knows.

Thats exactly why I said it was a perception game. For the most part 90s inserts are either stashed in collections or simply sitting in boxes that either go unknown or of people that just quit collecting and put their stuff away. I mean 97 inserts have had 20 yrs to sink into closets. So when you compare it to a recent insert of limited quantity is not a real comparison.

brettmik59 · 11-10-2017, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Thats exactly why I said it was a perception game. For the most part 90s inserts are either stashed in collections or simply sitting in boxes that either go unknown or of people that just quit collecting and put their stuff away. I mean 97 inserts have had 20 yrs to sink into closets. So when you compare it to a recent insert of limited quantity is not a real comparison.

True, and you're talking about a set with cards that maybe go for a few hundred bucks, depending on the player (obv. more for Jordan). A few hundred is nice, but not a ton of incentive to go closet diving. At the time these weren't worth much, so likely stashed away God knows where.

jjohnson814 · 11-10-2017, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Thats exactly why I said it was a perception game. For the most part 90s inserts are either stashed in collections or simply sitting in boxes that either go unknown or of people that just quit collecting and put their stuff away. I mean 97 inserts have had 20 yrs to sink into closets. So when you compare it to a recent insert of limited quantity is not a real comparison.

Yes but compared to other cards from the same time frame they feel more scarce and we're trying to figure out why. The 96 credentials /499 of Hardaway has popped up 5 times in the last year at least, for example. I don't think it's just a coincidence. This set in particular seems different than most others.

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Hegotgame15 · 11-10-2017, 01:22 PM

Facebook. Nothing is making it to eBay anymore!

I sold a BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ a few weeks ago..

Still have another BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ with 10.9.9.9 subs graded 8-10 years ago.. it would probably grade BGS 11 today..lmao

You can find them, I know someone working on the set, he's not far off at all..

Which player are you after? I must of had 10 MJ's over the years...

EBAY IS DEAD!!!

the27guy · 11-10-2017, 08:54 PM

As for comparing graded cards to their population, I wonder is lower end sets' rate inserts get graded less often than higher end? I could be wrong. Look at the slam bams /100 for instance. Pop on those is super super low.

nera20 · 11-10-2017, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hegotgame15

Facebook. Nothing is making it to eBay anymore!

I sold a BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ a few weeks ago..

Still have another BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ with 10.9.9.9 subs graded 8-10 years ago.. it would probably grade BGS 11 today..lmao

You can find them, I know someone working on the set, he's not far off at all..

Which player are you after? I must of had 10 MJ's over the years...

EBAY IS DEAD!!!

what are some quality facebook groups to buy on?

kingmogul · 11-10-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gslayton

I found a ray Allen this week... Checked pop reports on Beckett... Half the players in the set have never had one single card graded! Wild

Can i see picture just to add to my ray folder?

james050713 · 11-10-2017, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Normally I'd agree, but I think you're wrong in this case. Something seems to be off when you compare the pop reports to other similar cards/sets. I was lucky enough to get the Michael Jordan serial #500/500 from a guy who had it in a binder for 15 years. When I checked the pop report I couldn't believe it as I think maybe only like 40 had been graded or maybe even less.

I have the only bgs 9.5 high voltage/500 mj

james050713 · 11-10-2017, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nera20

what are some quality facebook groups to buy on?

Michael Jordan trading cards
Mj card universe

oldgoldy97 · 11-11-2017, 04:05 AM

I know of one Garnett that will never go up for sale

gslayton · 11-11-2017, 04:45 AM

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Can i see picture just to add to my ray folder?

You bet. Good condition too.

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kingmogul · 11-11-2017, 05:01 AM

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You bet. Good condition too.

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thank you! that right there is a piece of art!

11-10-2017, 02:13 AM	#1
regularp Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,171	How come High Voltage 500 cards rarely pop up? That's a fairly sizable print run of 500 and these only show up once in a blue moon. Even the pop reports on Beckett and PSA are pretty bare. Is there just a bunch of this stuff still sitting around in unopened wax?

11-10-2017, 03:10 AM	#2
gslayton Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Wisconsin Dells Posts: 1,874	I found a ray Allen this week... Checked pop reports on Beckett... Half the players in the set have never had one single card graded! Wild __________________ IG : waldorfstories

11-10-2017, 04:01 AM	#3
TMILL Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,027	I've seen 3 Olajuwon's on ebay in the past 6 months. Not sure about the other players, but for a 20 year old card, I think 3 times in 6 months isn't too rare. Still salty I was outbid on all 3 - cheapest went for about $85 shipped :'( __________________ Looking for 97-98 UD Game Jersey Iverson, 1999-00 HoloGrFx Shoe Time Barkley, 2001-02 Fleer Shoebox Collection - Sole of the Game - Triple Materials - ball, shoe, jersey - Iverson, 2004-05 Swatches of Stardom Iverson, LeBron NFL: Major Applewhite Premium Ink 1/1 Autograph and other autos! Last edited by TMILL; 11-10-2017 at 04:03 AM.

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brettmik59 Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,078 brettmik59 brettmik59	I'm sitting on my AI PSA 9 thanks to Gslayton. I wonder if people just didn't think much of them since they were Hoops and /500? Maybe they got buried away with commons and other fairly worthless inserts. [IMG]1997-98 Hoops High Voltage 500 Volts /500 PSA 9 (1) by Brett Mikulec, on Flickr[/IMG] Last edited by brettmik59; 11-10-2017 at 11:11 AM.

11-10-2017, 05:50 AM	#4
COMCMax Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 8,912 Maximoose	A lot of 90's inserts are showing up less and less that you should be widely available. I think collectors/investors are keep or banking on them down the road.

11-10-2017, 06:03 AM	#5
phdbeckett Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,812 phdbeckett	I have a Kobe, which I have in PC since 2015. That said, I think I've seen 2-3 more on eBay since then. I used to have an Iverson too, guess where that was found? In a $3 grab bag a dealer set out on his table where it was the outside facing card to "entice" you to buy. That was in 2012 I believe. I was the only one looking the grab bags. You never know! Obviously he made that grab bag at least 10-15 years prior. Digging at its best! __________________ Collecting: Kobe Bryant - LeBron James - Michael Jordan Giannis Rare Base / Parallels / Inserts[COLOR="black"]

11-10-2017, 08:59 AM	#8
jjohnson814 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 1,212 joshuajohnson814	There hasn't been a single Hardaway on eBay in over a year. Luckily I got a copy from a BO member. Maybe they lied about the print lol Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

11-10-2017, 11:30 AM	#10
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,091	Its just a perception game. a /500 insert is still only limited to 500 copies whether they show up or not. It is not rarer than say a /50 insert just because it doesnt show up for sale as much.

11-10-2017, 11:34 AM	#11
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	Sold 2 Pippens in the last couple months.

11-10-2017, 01:22 PM	#17
Hegotgame15 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Australia. Posts: 1,764	Facebook. Nothing is making it to eBay anymore! I sold a BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ a few weeks ago.. Still have another BGS 9 Voltage /500 MJ with 10.9.9.9 subs graded 8-10 years ago.. it would probably grade BGS 11 today..lmao You can find them, I know someone working on the set, he's not far off at all.. Which player are you after? I must of had 10 MJ's over the years... EBAY IS DEAD!!!

11-10-2017, 08:54 PM	#18
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	As for comparing graded cards to their population, I wonder is lower end sets' rate inserts get graded less often than higher end? I could be wrong. Look at the slam bams /100 for instance. Pop on those is super super low.

11-11-2017, 04:05 AM	#23
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,437	I know of one Garnett that will never go up for sale