50 games in - who is your rookie of the year?

the27guy · 02-02-2018, 11:36 PM

Not to be confused with the MVP thread.

Cavs16 · 02-02-2018, 11:43 PM

Mitchell is starting to run away with it unfortunately, maybe someone can make a run in the 2nd half or the Lakers could wise up and start their best player...Kuzma. But it looks to be all Mitchell’s right now.

sjay2k · 02-02-2018, 11:45 PM

Simmons, not even close

pennywise · 02-02-2018, 11:54 PM

Mitchell.

lyyca · 02-02-2018, 11:56 PM

As of now, Mitchell. Gilbert Arenas 2.0.

T_Hamilton · 02-02-2018, 11:56 PM

Mitchell. And he showed us all why again tonight. Simmons is starting to fade while Mitchell is starting to rise up

ThoseBackPages · 02-03-2018, 12:00 AM

how on earth is Simmons starting to "fade"?

Avi · 02-03-2018, 12:00 AM

1. Mitchell
2. Simmons
2.5 Tatum
4. Lauri
5. Kuzma

jj2 · 02-03-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how on earth is Simmons starting to "fade"?

Yeah, I'd like to know this, too. He did just win rookie of the month again (along with Mitchell).

daeve · 02-03-2018, 12:13 AM

Mitchell - with Gobert back they are taking names again. Gobert adds so much to the defense but Mitchell adds so much with his offensive firepower - they look like a playoff team and like they could be very dangerous in a series. [I'd bet GS doesn't want to match up with them]

tjforce · 02-03-2018, 12:52 AM

Still Simmons, but Mitchell is close.

Everyone else.

Philly is a playoff team

Gamecockfan21 · 02-03-2018, 01:18 AM

Simmons. Underrated distributor and can drive to the basket at will.

Andy5 · 02-03-2018, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Still Simmons, but Mitchell is close.

Everyone else.

Philly is a playoff team

This.

slum22 · 02-03-2018, 01:45 AM

I still have Simmons with a slight lead over Mitchell. But the race is close and could go either way. If Mitchell were drafted top 3 I think he may actually be in the lead with voters, but draft pedigree is a bias he will have to overcome.

drobfan8 · 02-03-2018, 01:48 AM

I am surprised D. Mitch is ahead.

His game was nice vs PHO but Simmons has been picking it up again.

Simmons out in front for me but man I love both these guys games.

drobfan8 · 02-03-2018, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how on earth is Simmons starting to "fade"?

This brought a chuckle from me too.

Would like to see Simmons get to play the likes of PHO and LA 4 times each too.

Ultimatewarrick · 02-03-2018, 01:53 AM

Simmons and it's not even close

TWard · 02-03-2018, 02:18 AM

Ben Simmons. Period.

rookies · 02-03-2018, 02:36 AM

Ben simmons is shooting 10 percent better from field. Getting 2.5 more rebounds. Getting 1.5 more assists. 3 less points playing 4.5 less minutes THAN........... Lebrons rookie year.
I bet simmons after break scores more points as well. This said Simmons is putting up one of the best seasons ever and per 36 better than lebrons. Forget Mitchell its simmons and its not close its an all time season. Mitchell is awesome but theres a guy or 2 ever year putting up what he puts up as a rookie.

And people say simmons is overrated. Crazy stuff.

Cal27 · 02-03-2018, 03:06 AM

I don't really care who wins the rookie of the year. A more important question is who will be a superstar 10 years from now. Giannis, Simmons, and KAT, in my opinion, will be the faces of the league.

alias21 · 02-03-2018, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

[I'd bet GS doesn't want to match up with them]

I'd bet gs sweeps them or maybe 4-1 at best

the27guy · 02-03-2018, 03:43 AM

It's good to hear from some of you guys. I've largely stayed out of this debate for the past 6 weeks, because I've thought it was pretty clearly Simmons. But that's simply not the case anymore.

Those of you who are saying "it's not even close" for either Mitchell or Simmons are not paying attention to what the other guy is doing.

After tonights games here are your accounting stats-

Simmons 16.8ppg 7.3APG 7.7RPG 18.42PER in 35.1MPG
Mitchell-- 19.7ppg 3.5APG 3.4RPG 17.79PER in 31.9MPG

Simmons eFG% before tonight was 1% higher than Mitchell's, but given Mitchell's efficiency in tonight's 40 point outburst, it will be less than that tomorrow - but I'm not going to calculate it.

No one who is paying attention cares about FG% anymore. points/possession matters. EFG% Matters. But for those of you who are use to it, let me break it down. Simmons is shooting <60% on free throws, and hasn't hit a 3FG the entire season. When you look at FG%, it may seem like he's light years ahead of Mitchell, he's not. They're very similar in terms of scoring efficiency - though Mitchell is scoring much more often and on a per minute basis.

Simmons does, however, turn the ball over 1.2 times a game MORE than Mitchell. Factor that in to your points per possession and suddenly Mitchell is scoring more points per possession than Simmons by a significant margin.

I see Simmons believers making two arguments at this point-

1. The Sixers are good and the Jazz suck. This statement has been true for the majority of the season. But - not shockingly - since Gobert has been back, the Jazz have been stellar. They've had the #6 net rating in the league since Gobert came back and have beaten the Raptors in Toronto and blown the Warriors out by 30 since then. With a healthy Gobert, the Jazz are good. This argument may not hold water for much longer. For those of you not paying attention, Gobert has missed over 2 months of play this season with knee injuries.

2. Mitchell doesn't do enough besides score. This argument is also trending in the wrong direction for Simmons fans. Mitchell's assists and rebounds keep ticking up as do his points. in his last 10 games Mitchell is averaging 24.6 points 3.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists in 34.8 MPG. Despite this, Mitchell is not going to come close to Simmons incredibly high assist and rebound numbers.

This is a close race boys and girls. Lets hope it stays that way till game 82.

drobfan8 · 02-03-2018, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by alias21

I'd bet gs sweeps them or maybe 4-1 at best

Agreed, I can't see a long series.

Who could be a pain first up is Denver.

oldgoldy97 · 02-03-2018, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the27guy

It's good to hear from some of you guys. I've largely stayed out of this debate for the past 6 weeks, because I've thought it was pretty clearly Simmons. But that's simply not the case anymore.

Those of you who are saying "it's not even close" for either Mitchell or Simmons are not paying attention to what the other guy is doing.

After tonights games here are your accounting stats-

Simmons 16.8ppg 7.3APG 7.7RPG 18.42PER in 35.1MPG
Mitchell-- 19.7ppg 3.5APG 3.4RPG 17.79PER in 31.9MPG

Simmons eFG% before tonight was 1% higher than Mitchell's, but given Mitchell's efficiency in tonight's 40 point outburst, it will be less than that tomorrow - but I'm not going to calculate it.

No one who is paying attention cares about FG% anymore. points/possession matters. EFG% Matters. But for those of you who are use to it, let me break it down. Simmons is shooting <60% on free throws, and hasn't hit a 3FG the entire season. When you look at FG%, it may seem like he's light years ahead of Mitchell, he's not. They're very similar in terms of scoring efficiency - though Mitchell is scoring much more often and on a per minute basis.

Simmons does, however, turn the ball over 1.2 times a game MORE than Mitchell. Factor that in to your points per possession and suddenly Mitchell is scoring more points per possession than Simmons by a significant margin.

I see Simmons believers making two arguments at this point-

1. The Sixers are good and the Jazz suck. This statement has been true for the majority of the season. But - not shockingly - since Gobert has been back, the Jazz have been stellar. They've had the #6 net rating in the league since Gobert came back and have beaten the Raptors in Toronto and blown the Warriors out by 30 since then. With a healthy Gobert, the Jazz are good. This argument may not hold water for much longer. For those of you not paying attention, Gobert has missed over 2 months of play this season with knee injuries.

2. Mitchell doesn't do enough besides score. This argument is also trending in the wrong direction for Simmons fans. Mitchell's assists and rebounds keep ticking up as do his points. in his last 10 games Mitchell is averaging 24.6 points 3.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists in 34.8 MPG. Despite this, Mitchell is not going to come close to Simmons incredibly high assist and rebound numbers.

This is a close race boys and girls. Lets hope it stays that way till game 82.

Stats make my brain hurt.

I like “X” more so he’s in front and it’s not even close.

It’s not even close = I have blinders on.

I have blinders on = 90% of the people on these boards.

ballhawkdawk · 02-03-2018, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

Mitchell. And he showed us all why again tonight. Simmons is starting to fade while Mitchell is starting to rise up

I watched the 76ers game last night and didn't see much fading going on. Ben Simmons is really really good and has been picking up the pace, if anything.

View Poll Results: 50 games in - who is your rookie of the year?
Lonzo Ball	1	0.62%
Kyle Kuzma	5	3.11%
Lauri Markennan	1	0.62%
Donovan Mitchell	65	40.37%
Ben Simmons	77	47.83%
Jason Tatum	11	6.83%
Other - write in answer	1	0.62%
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02-02-2018, 11:36 PM	#1
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	50 games in - who is your rookie of the year? Not to be confused with the MVP thread.

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pennywise Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Austin Posts: 2,965	Mitchell. __________________ Penny Hardaway \| 90s stars \| San Antonio Spurs Instagram: pennyatthepoint "Why you no work. I work - You will work too!!!" - Michael Jordan

02-02-2018, 11:56 PM	#5
lyyca Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,151	As of now, Mitchell. Gilbert Arenas 2.0. __________________ "I always told myself my progression is gonna be become a rotation player, become a starting point guard and then win an NBA championship. And people are definitely going to laugh when they hear that. They're not going to be laughing if it actually happens." - Jeremy Lin, 2011

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,760 ThoseBackPages	how on earth is Simmons starting to "fade"? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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Cavs16 Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 3,442	Mitchell is starting to run away with it unfortunately, maybe someone can make a run in the 2nd half or the Lakers could wise up and start their best player...Kuzma. But it looks to be all Mitchell’s right now.

02-02-2018, 11:45 PM	#3
sjay2k Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 455	Simmons, not even close

02-02-2018, 11:56 PM	#6
T_Hamilton Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA Posts: 1,903	Mitchell. And he showed us all why again tonight. Simmons is starting to fade while Mitchell is starting to rise up

02-03-2018, 12:00 AM	#8
Avi Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 901	1. Mitchell 2. Simmons 2.5 Tatum 4. Lauri 5. Kuzma

02-03-2018, 12:13 AM	#10
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,142 accrules	Mitchell - with Gobert back they are taking names again. Gobert adds so much to the defense but Mitchell adds so much with his offensive firepower - they look like a playoff team and like they could be very dangerous in a series. [I'd bet GS doesn't want to match up with them]

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tjforce Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 23,294	Still Simmons, but Mitchell is close. Everyone else. Philly is a playoff team __________________ "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it’s the best thing going. Wooooo!"

02-03-2018, 01:18 AM	#12
Gamecockfan21 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,824	Simmons. Underrated distributor and can drive to the basket at will.

02-03-2018, 01:45 AM	#14
slum22 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 3,582 slummer22	I still have Simmons with a slight lead over Mitchell. But the race is close and could go either way. If Mitchell were drafted top 3 I think he may actually be in the lead with voters, but draft pedigree is a bias he will have to overcome.

02-03-2018, 01:48 AM	#15
drobfan8 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 17,816 drobfan8 drobfan8	I am surprised D. Mitch is ahead. His game was nice vs PHO but Simmons has been picking it up again. Simmons out in front for me but man I love both these guys games. __________________ Wanted, 03/04 Exquisite Base Gold Tim Duncan and 05/06 Exquisite Base Gold /25 Michael Jordan

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Ultimatewarrick Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,595	Simmons and it's not even close __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/135131405@N07/albums

02-03-2018, 02:18 AM	#18
TWard Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Memphis Posts: 9,780 tylersportsguy	Ben Simmons. Period.

02-03-2018, 02:36 AM	#19
rookies Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Hawaii Posts: 2,107	Ben simmons is shooting 10 percent better from field. Getting 2.5 more rebounds. Getting 1.5 more assists. 3 less points playing 4.5 less minutes THAN........... Lebrons rookie year. I bet simmons after break scores more points as well. This said Simmons is putting up one of the best seasons ever and per 36 better than lebrons. Forget Mitchell its simmons and its not close its an all time season. Mitchell is awesome but theres a guy or 2 ever year putting up what he puts up as a rookie. And people say simmons is overrated. Crazy stuff. __________________ BUYING: Lebron James Exquisite auto patch cards, preferably from 03/04, 08/09, and 09/10.

02-03-2018, 03:06 AM	#20
Cal27 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: California Posts: 265	I don't really care who wins the rookie of the year. A more important question is who will be a superstar 10 years from now. Giannis, Simmons, and KAT, in my opinion, will be the faces of the league.

02-03-2018, 03:43 AM	#22
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	It's good to hear from some of you guys. I've largely stayed out of this debate for the past 6 weeks, because I've thought it was pretty clearly Simmons. But that's simply not the case anymore. Those of you who are saying "it's not even close" for either Mitchell or Simmons are not paying attention to what the other guy is doing. After tonights games here are your accounting stats- Simmons 16.8ppg 7.3APG 7.7RPG 18.42PER in 35.1MPG Mitchell-- 19.7ppg 3.5APG 3.4RPG 17.79PER in 31.9MPG Simmons eFG% before tonight was 1% higher than Mitchell's, but given Mitchell's efficiency in tonight's 40 point outburst, it will be less than that tomorrow - but I'm not going to calculate it. No one who is paying attention cares about FG% anymore. points/possession matters. EFG% Matters. But for those of you who are use to it, let me break it down. Simmons is shooting <60% on free throws, and hasn't hit a 3FG the entire season. When you look at FG%, it may seem like he's light years ahead of Mitchell, he's not. They're very similar in terms of scoring efficiency - though Mitchell is scoring much more often and on a per minute basis. Simmons does, however, turn the ball over 1.2 times a game MORE than Mitchell. Factor that in to your points per possession and suddenly Mitchell is scoring more points per possession than Simmons by a significant margin. I see Simmons believers making two arguments at this point- 1. The Sixers are good and the Jazz suck. This statement has been true for the majority of the season. But - not shockingly - since Gobert has been back, the Jazz have been stellar. They've had the #6 net rating in the league since Gobert came back and have beaten the Raptors in Toronto and blown the Warriors out by 30 since then. With a healthy Gobert, the Jazz are good. This argument may not hold water for much longer. For those of you not paying attention, Gobert has missed over 2 months of play this season with knee injuries. 2. Mitchell doesn't do enough besides score. This argument is also trending in the wrong direction for Simmons fans. Mitchell's assists and rebounds keep ticking up as do his points. in his last 10 games Mitchell is averaging 24.6 points 3.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists in 34.8 MPG. Despite this, Mitchell is not going to come close to Simmons incredibly high assist and rebound numbers. This is a close race boys and girls. Lets hope it stays that way till game 82.