Grademaster Card Centering Tool nixes centering mysteries

BlowoutBuzz · 03-26-2018, 10:43 AM

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unclemonkey · 03-26-2018, 10:44 AM

I want... I need... I bought two

Davesportscards · 03-26-2018, 10:51 AM

For $15 no thanks.

Chrisyork33 · 03-26-2018, 10:52 AM

Maybe he can sell these to PSA and BGS..........I kid, I kid. Just jokes folks...............kinda

jewcer2k5 · 03-26-2018, 10:52 AM

I am working on something like this but a little easier to use.

FWIW you can still buy an Omni Grid on eBay and it does the same thing.

Coug46n2 · 03-26-2018, 10:54 AM

I'd love to see a day grading companies list the exact centering specifications for each card.

T/B 51.25/48.75 & R/L 53.34/46.66

Diamond cut cards present an issue however.

Malsk · 03-26-2018, 10:58 AM

I bought one of these a year ago and it is the best money I ever spent!

mouschi · 03-26-2018, 12:47 PM

Oh my gosh, this brings back memories - there was something like this out there over 25 years ago and I had one. I don't recall what it was called. Granted, this is light years ahead of what I had back then. If only I could remember the name!

mainerunr · 03-26-2018, 12:51 PM

There should be a way to automatically do this with an image by now.

I suppose one could make a template in Photoshop (or GiMP) and apply it as a layer to a scanned image. Would probably allow a lot greater accuracy too.

tribefan26 · 03-26-2018, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mouschi

Oh my gosh, this brings back memories - there was something like this out there over 25 years ago and I had one. I don't recall what it was called. Granted, this is light years ahead of what I had back then. If only I could remember the name!

I had one of those also. Don’t know where it went - I seem to have everyth8ng else from that era!

okumeister · 03-26-2018, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mainerunr

There should be a way to automatically do this with an image by now.

I suppose one could make a template in Photoshop (or GiMP) and apply it as a layer to a scanned image. Would probably allow a lot greater accuracy too.

If there is an iPhone app like this, I'd be all over it, provided that the cost of the app is $5 or something.

StlScott · 03-26-2018, 01:54 PM

Looking at the novelty, I bought one. I was interested in giving it a look.

mattglet · 03-26-2018, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by okumeister

If there is an iPhone app like this, I'd be all over it, provided that the cost of the app is $5 or something.

The problem is getting the app to figure out which lines to use as reference points. Also, getting the app to deal with scans that are not perfectly centered isn't easy.

It's not impossible, but a lot of work/expertise in edge detection algorithms and Hough transform.

I've messed around a bit in the past with it but got over my head. I have the programming chops but not the appropriate algorithm knowledge.

7290morint · 03-26-2018, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I am working on something like this but a little easier to use.

FWIW you can still buy an Omni Grid on eBay and it does the same thing.

I bought one of these(Omni grid) and it works great!

bensie · 03-28-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mattglet

The problem is getting the app to figure out which lines to use as reference points. Also, getting the app to deal with scans that are not perfectly centered isn't easy.

It's not impossible, but a lot of work/expertise in edge detection algorithms and Hough transform.

I've messed around a bit in the past with it but got over my head. I have the programming chops but not the appropriate algorithm knowledge.

What if the app simply looked at the absolute boundary of the card and then simply laid the grid template on top of it? You could even have a feature to allow the user to definite the outer boundary similar to how camscan operates.

I have a PowerPoint template that does this that I use for buying cards online. Throw the image into ppt, overlay my grid template on top, and I can immediately gauge centering.

mattglet · 03-28-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bensie

What if the app simply looked at the absolute boundary of the card and then simply laid the grid template on top of it? You could even have a feature to allow the user to definite the outer boundary similar to how camscan operates.

I have a PowerPoint template that does this that I use for buying cards online. Throw the image into ppt, overlay my grid template on top, and I can immediately gauge centering.

How does your PPT template work if the card image isn't perfectly aligned?

crtsports · 03-28-2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I am working on something like this but a little easier to use.

FWIW you can still buy an Omni Grid on eBay and it does the same thing.

I bought an omni grid at a quilting store and felt completely out of place, but it was a great purchase.

bensie · 03-28-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mattglet

How does your PPT template work if the card image isn't perfectly aligned?

You can rotate images in powerpoint in 1 degree increments to get the card edges vertical/horizontal. In the odd even that 1 degree isn't granular enough, you can rotate arbitrarily in photoshop or even irfanview.

If you're talking about diamond cut cards, then it doesn't account for that...

But I think an 'augmented reality' app where it simply overlaid a grid on top of whatever you point the camera at would be a neat thing to have. You can line it up manually and then get a good idea for centering based on the overlay. It's sort of a moot point though because after looking at enough cards in my life, I can now typically peg the centering to within 5%. I think most of us can probably do that.

Super8er · 03-28-2018, 02:27 PM

This is a pretty cool tool, but considering how many threads on here have been dedicated to how inaccurate grading companies 'opinions' are, how useful is this, really?

You could use it and say "oh, that's definitely 50/50 horizontally and vertically", and your centering grade comes back an 8.5.

Again, a useful tool as a general guide, but it's still your opinion versus the grader's opinion. Has anyone who uses an omni grid had better success when submitting cards based on their evaluation using one?

majestik101 · 03-28-2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Super8er

This is a pretty cool tool, but considering how many threads on here have been dedicated to how inaccurate grading companies 'opinions' are, how useful is this, really?

You could use it and say "oh, that's definitely 50/50 horizontally and vertically", and your centering grade comes back an 8.5.

Again, a useful tool as a general guide, but it's still your opinion versus the grader's opinion.

It's simple. Just show Beckett a picture of the card with the grade master centering tool and I'm sure they will no doubt realize their mistake and remedy the grade in the card owner's favor. DUH

Of course, I am giggling as I typed that out.

RedMikeC · 04-14-2018, 12:17 PM

I am thinking of purchasing one, Can anyone put a video out? or is there a video out ?

RedMikeC · 04-16-2018, 06:48 PM

I bought one and it is okay - sometimes have trouble seeing some borders through the tool and a ruler would get the job done just as well or better.

NeonStatus · 04-18-2018, 02:02 PM

Has anyone used this tool and received a 10 from either BGS or PSA?

schultz24 · 08-18-2018, 07:54 AM

Thanks again to Blowout for the feature on Blowoutbuzz on my product! I still have tools available if anyone is interested! I’ve also got a facebook page if you search for Grademaster card centering tool. Thanks again!!

Peties Army · 08-18-2018, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I am working on something like this but a little easier to use.

FWIW you can still buy an Omni Grid on eBay and it does the same thing.

Jewcer taught us this years ago I still use it

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Coug46n2 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,151 Coug46n2	I'd love to see a day grading companies list the exact centering specifications for each card. T/B 51.25/48.75 & R/L 53.34/46.66 Diamond cut cards present an issue however.

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Malsk Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,064 malskhotmailcom Malsk	I bought one of these a year ago and it is the best money I ever spent!

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mainerunr Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,558	There should be a way to automatically do this with an image by now. I suppose one could make a template in Photoshop (or GiMP) and apply it as a layer to a scanned image. Would probably allow a lot greater accuracy too.

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Super8er Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 2,719 squirrelythings	This is a pretty cool tool, but considering how many threads on here have been dedicated to how inaccurate grading companies 'opinions' are, how useful is this, really? You could use it and say "oh, that's definitely 50/50 horizontally and vertically", and your centering grade comes back an 8.5. Again, a useful tool as a general guide, but it's still your opinion versus the grader's opinion. Has anyone who uses an omni grid had better success when submitting cards based on their evaluation using one?

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RedMikeC Banned - PBM Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 399 RedMikeC	I am thinking of purchasing one, Can anyone put a video out? or is there a video out ?

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RedMikeC Banned - PBM Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 399 RedMikeC	I bought one and it is okay - sometimes have trouble seeing some borders through the tool and a ruler would get the job done just as well or better.

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schultz24 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 295 Schultz24	Thanks again to Blowout for the feature on Blowoutbuzz on my product! I still have tools available if anyone is interested! I’ve also got a facebook page if you search for Grademaster card centering tool. Thanks again!!