1997-98 Ultra Star Power Supreme fading?

Rob 23 · 09-10-2018, 11:10 AM

Got a star power plus in my PC but hope to upgrade to a supreme. Most of the copies I can see on Ebay seem to look faded. Does anyone know if this is a common issue or do they just photograph that way due to being acetate? Thanks.

Orangejello727 · 09-10-2018, 11:29 AM

They do fade. They also have etching that comes off as well.

brettmik59 · 09-10-2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

They do fade. They also have etching that comes off as well.

Yep, tough to find clean copies.

CastleBeachCards · 09-10-2018, 01:36 PM

Really tough.......even the high graded ones are effed up

6celtics33 · 09-10-2018, 03:27 PM

Anybody know if the high grade copies deteriorate even after being slabbed?

brettmik59 · 09-10-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Anybody know if the high grade copies deteriorate even after being slabbed?

I wouldn't think so, but I had one damaged in the process of being slabbed. Some of the foil flaked off or got pulled off when I got the case back. It was slabbed a PSA 9 still. They claimed it got damaged in the case and paid me for it, but I think it was done beforehand or in the slabbing process. You'll see a lot of high-graded copies with foil missing. I may be wrong but I don't think the graders count it against the surface.

If I had a clean raw copy, I would not get it slabbed after that experience.

regularp · 09-10-2018, 03:46 PM

I made a thread on these a while back. They're really hit or miss with the foil, even in high grade like someone else said.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=995726

6celtics33 · 09-10-2018, 04:48 PM

I’ve owned 4 different 96-97 pink MJ court masters in 9.5 and 3/4 had flaking where you could see pieces of the basketball floating in the case. I think it has to be that it happens during slabbing. I finally found one that was intact. I also had that issue on a metal titanium acetate 9.5 MJ.

Hegotgame15 · 09-10-2018, 06:11 PM

Star power supreme sometimes look like they are faded but they aren't, there's a fine line between how they should look and one "starting" to fade...it helps to know what they "should" look like in person before going after one for your PC.

The best tell if one is starting to fade is on the body of the player, it stands out there first, however they all sort of have a greenish hue, it's the degradation of color saturation on the player that starts to go...

I have owned most of the BGS 9.5's of that card and they all varied, pretty much impossible to find one perfect...but there are a few that are graded and look good enough for the grade.

The ones that have "started" to fade don't really get much worse over time if protected, this is very strange because all most every other 90's insert made with the same tech continues to fade once the process starts..

Orangejello727 · 09-10-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Anybody know if the high grade copies deteriorate even after being slabbed?

They can. I used to have a scan of a peeling supreme acetate of MJ. I cant find it, but it was a BGS 9.5. The peeling must have happen post grade.

rogermaris · 09-10-2018, 06:40 PM

I was actually going to start a thread on this exact topic. I even took a scan to show the difference in color fading.

As most/all 90s cards, red inks and white inks seem to fade first... The top three cards are faded. The bottom four are not. It's most noticeable when comparing the two Walkers.

rogermaris · 09-10-2018, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Anybody know if the high grade copies deteriorate even after being slabbed?

In my experience, they only get messed up when they're placed inside a soft sleeve. So all BGS cases and some PSA cases (depending on whether it includes a sleeve) can cause the rainbow foil to peel off. The foil gets stuck to the soft sleeve and then when the card shifts, the card moves but the foil stays stuck to the sleeve.

6celtics33 · 09-10-2018, 06:56 PM

Thanks for the info everyone

Rob 23 · 09-10-2018, 07:13 PM

Thanks for all the great responses guys. It's a shame as they're really nice inserts but I might just stick with what I've got:

rogermaris · 09-10-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob 23

Thanks for all the great responses guys. It's a shame as they're really nice inserts but I might just stick with what I've got:

Good call. The Jordan card is one of the toughest in the set. His jersey is basically all red and white, so it has a tendency to fade more than the other cards in the set. Probably the hardest one to find without fading except for maybe Van Horn...

pacmon84 · 09-10-2018, 07:22 PM

While we are on the topic, can we put together a list of Fleer/SkyBox that experience fading/surface issues as they continue to age?

Anyone ever experience any issues with their lenticular cards?

brettmik59 · 09-10-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

They can. I used to have a scan of a peeling supreme acetate of MJ. I cant find it, but it was a BGS 9.5. The peeling must have happen post grade.

Yeah you'll see this on numerous copies of this card. They need to change the way they slab these. I do have 1 clean PSA 10, but it's without the inner sleeve.

Rob 23 · 08-21-2019, 03:29 AM

I see there's a set of these recently listed on ebay that are missing the die cut from the top left corner. Back doored copies I presume?

mondogenerator · 08-21-2019, 05:07 AM

here's mine

marinocollector · 08-21-2019, 10:17 AM

Put white cardboard behind it. Especially if displaying.

Luni · 08-21-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob 23

I see there's a set of these recently listed on ebay that are missing the die cut from the top left corner. Back doored copies I presume?

Yep. The seller is well known for buying uncut sheets and backdoor cards and then reselling.

I'm also worried about how to store my copy of this card:

I had it in a One Touch, but then with the humidity here I was worried about it sticking to the front. I swapped it into a penny sleeve and top loader but now I'm worried because someone mentioned the sleeve causes the issue :O. Should I put it in a One Touch that is too big for the card just to make sure it doesn't stick?

Rob 23 · 08-21-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Luni

Yep. The seller is well known for buying uncut sheets and backdoor cards and then reselling.

I'm also worried about how to store my copy of this card:

I had it in a One Touch, but then with the humidity here I was worried about it sticking to the front. I swapped it into a penny sleeve and top loader but now I'm worried because someone mentioned the sleeve causes the issue :O. Should I put it in a One Touch that is too big for the card just to make sure it doesn't stick?

Thanks for the heads up. Your KG looks to be holding up in pretty good shape so far.

09-10-2018, 11:10 AM	#1
Rob 23 Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Scotland (US mailbox) Posts: 937 robert4501 robert4501	1997-98 Ultra Star Power Supreme fading? Got a star power plus in my PC but hope to upgrade to a supreme. Most of the copies I can see on Ebay seem to look faded. Does anyone know if this is a common issue or do they just photograph that way due to being acetate? Thanks.

09-10-2018, 06:40 PM	#11
rogermaris Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,205	I was actually going to start a thread on this exact topic. I even took a scan to show the difference in color fading. As most/all 90s cards, red inks and white inks seem to fade first... The top three cards are faded. The bottom four are not. It's most noticeable when comparing the two Walkers. __________________ IG: @90swax

08-21-2019, 05:07 AM	#19
mondogenerator Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 1,371 meshuggah unida	here's mine __________________ Collecting Damon Stoudamire - IG @damonstoudamirecollector https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonite/albums trade stuff for DS here -> https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonitesecondary/albums/72157709510200157

08-21-2019, 10:17 AM	#20
marinocollector Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Locally Posts: 8,305	Put white cardboard behind it. Especially if displaying. __________________ There's 100 made! Lets hope that one of the .00000001% of the world population that actually own this card decides that today is the day they offer it for sale.

09-10-2018, 11:29 AM	#2
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,096	They do fade. They also have etching that comes off as well.

09-10-2018, 01:36 PM	#4
CastleBeachCards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: St. Clair Shores, Mi Posts: 1,346 castlebeachcards castlebeachcards	Really tough.......even the high graded ones are effed up

09-10-2018, 03:27 PM	#5
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	Anybody know if the high grade copies deteriorate even after being slabbed?

09-10-2018, 03:46 PM	#7
regularp Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,176	I made a thread on these a while back. They're really hit or miss with the foil, even in high grade like someone else said. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=995726

09-10-2018, 04:48 PM	#8
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	I’ve owned 4 different 96-97 pink MJ court masters in 9.5 and 3/4 had flaking where you could see pieces of the basketball floating in the case. I think it has to be that it happens during slabbing. I finally found one that was intact. I also had that issue on a metal titanium acetate 9.5 MJ.

09-10-2018, 06:11 PM	#9
Hegotgame15 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Australia. Posts: 1,764	Star power supreme sometimes look like they are faded but they aren't, there's a fine line between how they should look and one "starting" to fade...it helps to know what they "should" look like in person before going after one for your PC. The best tell if one is starting to fade is on the body of the player, it stands out there first, however they all sort of have a greenish hue, it's the degradation of color saturation on the player that starts to go... I have owned most of the BGS 9.5's of that card and they all varied, pretty much impossible to find one perfect...but there are a few that are graded and look good enough for the grade. The ones that have "started" to fade don't really get much worse over time if protected, this is very strange because all most every other 90's insert made with the same tech continues to fade once the process starts..

09-10-2018, 06:56 PM	#13
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	Thanks for the info everyone

09-10-2018, 07:13 PM	#14
Rob 23 Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Scotland (US mailbox) Posts: 937 robert4501 robert4501	Thanks for all the great responses guys. It's a shame as they're really nice inserts but I might just stick with what I've got:

09-10-2018, 07:22 PM	#16
pacmon84 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 281	While we are on the topic, can we put together a list of Fleer/SkyBox that experience fading/surface issues as they continue to age? Anyone ever experience any issues with their lenticular cards?

08-21-2019, 03:29 AM	#18
Rob 23 Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Scotland (US mailbox) Posts: 937 robert4501 robert4501	I see there's a set of these recently listed on ebay that are missing the die cut from the top left corner. Back doored copies I presume?