backdoor Flair Legacy cards on eBay - beware

[AbraCalabro]

These have circulated for a while and have been changing hands. Most of the people in possession of these have realized that they're of no value, but will still sell them cheap and sometimes will "fail" to mention they're backdoor cards.

This user however is listing them for high prices and dressing them up in magnetics, just a heads up to anyone that might be seeking to buy. No mention that they're backdoor cards at all.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...egacy&_sacat=0

Just in case the above link doesn't work:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Charles-Bar...S!-1:rk:1:pf:0

There are others listed by the same user too.

Maybe the guy doesn't know they're bankruptcy cards, if any one wants to give him a shout.

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

These have circulated for a while and have been changing hands. Most of the people in possession of these have realized that they're of no value, but will still sell them cheap and sometimes will "fail" to mention they're backdoor cards.

This user however is listing them for high prices and dressing them up in magnetics, just a heads up to anyone that might be seeking to buy. No mention that they're backdoor cards at all.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...egacy&_sacat=0

Just in case the above link doesn't work:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Charles-Bar...S!-1:rk:1f:0

There are others listed by the same user too.

Maybe the guy doesn't know they're bankruptcy cards, if any one wants to give him a shout.

Someone always just trying to stick it to ya from the backdoored cards these days. Nice work detective.

[6celtics33]

How do you tell they are bankruptcy when they have the serial number? Are they fake serials?

[minnesotachill]

the real versions have the players name in foil above the stats on the back.

[6celtics33]

Thanks

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

the real versions have the players name in foil above the stats on the back.

Not always. I have uncut sheets that have foil on the back.

IMG_2414_zps12bb8d43 by Jay M, on Flickr

IMG_2415_zps0858c7aa by Jay M, on Flickr

3_zps7d034c5a by Jay M, on Flickr

[Orangejello727]

Even the masterpiece versions. All they are missing is the "The only masterpiece 1 of 1 " stamp

m1_zps5418960c by Jay M, on Flickr

m2_zps274530d0 by Jay M, on Flickr

[kukocitb]

Is nothing sacred anymore? Also looks like they have sold some Football legacy and masterpieces.

[Sigchiwab44]

I found the kvh Row 0 masterpiece backdoored version online at one point. The stamping was horrific and the back of the card was also missing bullet points before some of the stats. I have owned the pack pulled version since the 90s. Wish I knew how to post pictures on here.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by Sigchiwab44

I found the kvh Row 0 masterpiece backdoored version online at one point. The stamping was horrific and the back of the card was also missing bullet points before some of the stats. I have owned the pack pulled version since the 90s. Wish I knew how to post pictures on here.

Hit "Go Advanced" and try to add the photo as an attachment. Not sure if it works from phone but it's worth a try.

[Sigchiwab44]

I tried to attach the real version to this message. The photo of the back doored version used to be on hobbykings but I can't access the photo now. If the attachment works, you can see where the bullet points are on the real version, which weren't on the backdoored copy. I don't know if this was just something associated with that one card or if all backdoored row 0 cards were the same

[KingBen]

This is the main reason I no longer collect 90's insert cards. Too many fakes, and they took away the fun of owning them because I have no idea if they're real or fake. Its a double shame when the grading companies can't even tell the difference and grade them! Its a lost cause.

[kukocitb]

Originally Posted by KingBen

This is the main reason I no longer collect 90's insert cards. Too many fakes, and they took away the fun of owning them because I have no idea if they're real or fake. Its a double shame when the grading companies can't even tell the difference and grade them! Its a lost cause.

I agree that it is a terrible thing. It sounds like PSA is taking steps to fix this issue when grading. I really am not a big fan of grading but I think it is great there are people working on being able to spot fakes.

[SteveO21]

Not sure if they're all backdoored or not but currently on eBay there are 17 copies of the 1998 Flair Showcase Row 2 Legacy Collection Barry Sanders. They're /100 and all have the serial numbers. Seems odd to me that 17 out of the 100 would all be currently listed at the same time, with 12 of them listed by 1 seller as a lot.

[BravesFan4Life]

I purchased a backdoor copy of a Fleer Masterpiece for my one player collection but I knew that going in. If people want to buy them, to each their own as long as they know what they are buying

[mc1]

Originally Posted by KingBen

This is the main reason I no longer collect 90's insert cards. Too many fakes, and they took away the fun of owning them because I have no idea if they're real or fake. Its a double shame when the grading companies can't even tell the difference and grade them! Its a lost cause.

Is a back-doored or bankruptcy card considered a fake? They aren’t counterfeit, they’re just not pack-inserted cards. Same as calling sheet-cut cards fake, they aren’t fake. They just aren’t the original cards as inserted in packs. When someone mentions fake I think of the overseas counterfeits they have found their way into the market.

I also don’t think they have much value but I wouldn’t say they have “no value”.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by SteveO21

Not sure if they're all backdoored or not but currently on eBay there are 17 copies of the 1998 Flair Showcase Row 2 Legacy Collection Barry Sanders. They're /100 and all have the serial numbers. Seems odd to me that 17 out of the 100 would all be currently listed at the same time, with 12 of them listed by 1 seller as a lot.

They're all back door cards. I remember the first ones to hit the market were football and there were TONS of them and then been re-circulating since. I think there was a guy who listed a near complete Legacy set of a certain row maybe 2, or 1 I don't recall, but they were all backdoored. These particular cards showed up with no name on the back, I'm not sure if the Sanders cards you posted are part of that lot, or once were, but easy pass for any one looking for the real thing.

Originally Posted by mc1

Is a back-doored or bankruptcy card considered a fake? They aren’t counterfeit, they’re just not pack-inserted cards. Same as calling sheet-cut cards fake, they aren’t fake. They just aren’t the original cards as inserted in packs. When someone mentions fake I think of the overseas counterfeits they have found their way into the market.

I also don’t think they have much value but I wouldn’t say they have “no value”.

You're right, they're not counterfeit cards, but when they get listed as if they're pack pulled, fully stamped and correctly printed with all the bells and whistles then they're used as tools for deception and that's just as bad as buying a counterfeit because in the end you're not getting what you thought you paid for. People definitely need to be aware that these cards are not the real deal at all and these cards should be treated as oddball additions.

[SteveO21]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

They're all back door cards. I remember the first ones to hit the market were football and there were TONS of them and then been re-circulating since. I think there was a guy who listed a near complete Legacy set of a certain row maybe 2, or 1 I don't recall, but they were all backdoored. These particular cards showed up with no name on the back, I'm not sure if the Sanders cards you posted are part of that lot, or once were, but easy pass for any one looking for the real thing.



You're right, they're not counterfeit cards, but when they get listed as if they're pack pulled, fully stamped and correctly printed with all the bells and whistles then they're used as tools for deception and that's just as bad as buying a counterfeit because in the end you're not getting what you thought you paid for. People definitely need to be aware that these cards are not the real deal at all and these cards should be treated as oddball additions.

I was about 95% sure they were the backdoored versions but don't know enough about that whole deal to be fully confident in it. None of those listed have Barry Sanders' name on the back of the card. Dead giveaway now that I know.

[bjho852]

Seeing news like this is the reason why I didn't, don't and probably won't in the near future at least, buy any Flair Legacy ("regular" Legacy and/or Legacy Masterpiece) card from secondary markets. I know too little to take such risk.

[pga-ink]

Aside from the obvious, just look at who the seller is, should tell you all that you need to know...

Guessing his other eBay accts from years back are no longer active...

He's also a member on here from what I hear...

[ikelove500]

The seller of the Barkley seems to have many legacy cards. Should all legacy card, no matter the row/year, have the player name in foil on the back?

[frisbeesteve]

Originally Posted by ikelove500

Should all legacy card, no matter the row/year, have the player name in foil on the back?

No, only the 1997-98 rows should have the player's name in the same blue foil that appears on the card fronts.

[AbraCalabro]

Yo guys, a friend of mine just notified me about some other cards that were listed by this seller and look, one of them just sold. Someone just paid 85 dollars, including the shipping, for an incomplete backdoored card.

Notice a little something missing on the front there?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Robin....m43663.l44720

etheljean2014 is the seller name, DO NOT BUY THESE CARDS, spread the word about these backdoor cards guys.

Turns out the seller has some unsavory history. Thank you to pga-ink for the insight, ran a quick search and found these two threads:



https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=13980391

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=801810

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by SteveO21

I was about 95% sure they were the backdoored versions but don't know enough about that whole deal to be fully confident in it. None of those listed have Barry Sanders' name on the back of the card. Dead giveaway now that I know.

Right on man, I hope we can spread the word some more. There were a ton of the football ones a while back. I remember seeing a few thinking I could pick up some Sanders and Cowboys Legacy cards and as soon as I saw the back of the cards I knew it was poopoo. Some of them don't even have the Legacy stamp, as is the case with the Robinson I linked in the post just above.

Originally Posted by bjho852

Seeing news like this is the reason why I didn't, don't and probably won't in the near future at least, buy any Flair Legacy ("regular" Legacy and/or Legacy Masterpiece) card from secondary markets. I know too little to take such risk.

Deadshot brought up the topic of community created resources that will help a lot of people differentiate between the real thing and the fakes / backdoor cards. Any one that CAN contribute, SHOULD contribute because I think we are probably a LOT more knowledgeable than the grading companies.

Originally Posted by pga-ink

Aside from the obvious, just look at who the seller is, should tell you all that you need to know...

Guessing his other eBay accts from years back are no longer active...

He's also a member on here from what I hear...

Thank you for posting this, the seller is a P.O.S. I wish I could edit the thread title to include the current eBay name. I didn't include it at first because I was unaware of this person's history and didn't want to stomp all over the name because I thought it was entirely possible that the seller just didn't know better...doesn't look like the case now.

Originally Posted by ikelove500

The seller of the Barkley seems to have many legacy cards. Should all legacy card, no matter the row/year, have the player name in foil on the back?

Originally Posted by frisbeesteve

No, only the 1997-98 rows should have the player's name in the same blue foil that appears on the card fronts.

FrisbeeSteve is correct and the various years of Flair Showcase / Legacy Collection have differences between them. However a dead giveaway for the 97/98 Basketball Legacy cards or 1998 Football is if you don't see that name in matching blue foil on the back, it's a backdoor card.

[Ptaz4Prez]

Thank you so much for this thread. I have started to PC Damon Stoudamire over the last year and had been going back and forth with this seller today on the Legacy Stoudamire. A "back door" copy is not what I was intending to purchase and for that reason it's an easy pass.

Seller was very rude and obnoxious throughout messages and could definitely tell this was not his first rodeo.

Really wish i PC'd somebody out of the 90s to avoid this mess. Thanks again OP and all people who posted for the valuable info going forward!

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