Did this get shilled or was someone trying to make it look shilled?

SteveO21 · 10-29-2018, 02:04 PM

So I won this card last week and just got it in the mail today. Nothing wrong with the card, and I won it for an amount I was comfortable with, though I thought was a little higher than expected. Anyway, after looking at the bids they're all from the same person (other than my winning bid).

The other bidder only has 1% bid activity with the seller. So was this person shilling, or were they attempting to make the listing look like it was getting shilled so that it would scare off other buyers and they'd get it cheap?

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/26...p2047675.l2565

gomiamigo · 10-29-2018, 02:08 PM

Multiple bids are standard, is this a joke? Do you just always bid the max and walk away?

WaiverWire · 10-29-2018, 02:08 PM

check out the amount of bid retractions on that competing bidder

Bid retractions (6 months): 1,472

jcardstore · 10-29-2018, 02:17 PM

I've never seen so many bid retractions before... Either way, still could be someone just bidding up to their max

Beavers98 · 10-29-2018, 02:18 PM

WOW, that's a lot of retractions.

WaiverWire · 10-29-2018, 02:20 PM

also a textbook case of why some prefer to use a sniper program, rather than putting in a max bid early at the beginning. it doesn't prevent shilling, but it can minimize this particular type of bidding up (i.e. because they don't know your snipe bid is there)

SteveO21 · 10-29-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire

also a textbook case of why some prefer to use a sniper program, rather than putting in a max bid early at the beginning. it doesn't prevent shilling, but it can minimize this particular type of bidding up (i.e. because they don't know your snipe bid is there)

That's what I do. About 90% of the time if I'm going to bid on an auction listing I just set a snipe and forget about the listing until I get the email notification that I've either won the listing or lost it.

shrevecity · 10-29-2018, 02:42 PM

I once seen a buyer who had over 17000 retractions and nearly 100000 bids place and had 100% with the same seller. Ebay said there was no evidence of shill bidding.

Siberian13 · 10-29-2018, 02:48 PM

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1011
Items bid on: 478
Bid retractions: 215
Bid retractions (6 months): 1472

Seems a bit excessive

shrevecity · 10-29-2018, 02:53 PM

Some people will retract their bid when they get outbid for the reason they have been shilled before. Some shillers will cancel a shill late in the auction and then that leaves the #2 bidder responsible for their bid even though they were outbid and may have already moved on to another item.

daxwills · 10-29-2018, 03:38 PM

20+ years of eBay I’ve had 2 bid retractions because whoops typo. How eBay allows people to do it thousands of times is insane.

hawkfandan · 10-29-2018, 04:38 PM

Even if it was shilled, Ebay won't care.

briancecilrn · 10-30-2018, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by daxwills

20+ years of eBay I’ve had 2 bid retractions because whoops typo. How eBay allows people to do it thousands of times is insane.

I agree, I know it will never happen but eBay should allow a max of like 3 bid retractions per month, which to me is excessive. I think I may have 0 or 1 in 17 years on eBay.

ballhawkdawk · 10-30-2018, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by briancecilrn

I agree, I know it will never happen but eBay should allow a max of like 3 bid retractions per month, which to me is excessive. I think I may have 0 or 1 in 17 years on eBay.

Word. 3 bid retractions in a month and then your account is suspended from bidding for 30 days. Although couldn’t whoever is responsible just make multiple accounts ? It’d be a lot of work to be retracting that many bids and still maintain enough accounts to keep doing it.

cardsdownunder · 10-30-2018, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire

check out the amount of bid retractions on that competing bidder

Bid retractions (6 months): 1,472

eBay is a joke. Beyond pathetic

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkfandan

Even if it was shilled, Ebay won't care.

Bingo

If you ever felt bad about moving a deal off-eBay to cut eBay out of their fees, you can sleep better now. they couldn't possibly care less about you

10-29-2018, 02:04 PM	#1
SteveO21 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: near the cards Posts: 10,810 vintagepacers Steve_O_21	Did this get shilled or was someone trying to make it look shilled? So I won this card last week and just got it in the mail today. Nothing wrong with the card, and I won it for an amount I was comfortable with, though I thought was a little higher than expected. Anyway, after looking at the bids they're all from the same person (other than my winning bid). The other bidder only has 1% bid activity with the seller. So was this person shilling, or were they attempting to make the listing look like it was getting shilled so that it would scare off other buyers and they'd get it cheap? https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/26...p2047675.l2565

10-29-2018, 02:17 PM	#4
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,944 Jcardstore	I've never seen so many bid retractions before... Either way, still could be someone just bidding up to their max __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

10-29-2018, 03:38 PM	#11
daxwills Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 6,263	20+ years of eBay I’ve had 2 bid retractions because whoops typo. How eBay allows people to do it thousands of times is insane. __________________ I had a dream my life would be So different from this hell I'm living So different now from what it seemed Now life has killed the dream, I dreamed

10-29-2018, 02:08 PM	#2
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 10,962 esmoney gomiamigo	Multiple bids are standard, is this a joke? Do you just always bid the max and walk away? __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards

10-29-2018, 02:08 PM	#3
WaiverWire Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,935	check out the amount of bid retractions on that competing bidder Bid retractions (6 months): 1,472

10-29-2018, 02:18 PM	#5
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,039 beavers98	WOW, that's a lot of retractions.

10-29-2018, 02:20 PM	#6
WaiverWire Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,935	also a textbook case of why some prefer to use a sniper program, rather than putting in a max bid early at the beginning. it doesn't prevent shilling, but it can minimize this particular type of bidding up (i.e. because they don't know your snipe bid is there)

10-29-2018, 02:42 PM	#8
shrevecity Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 28,059	I once seen a buyer who had over 17000 retractions and nearly 100000 bids place and had 100% with the same seller. Ebay said there was no evidence of shill bidding.

10-29-2018, 02:48 PM	#9
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 77,750 shiller13	30-Day Summary Total bids: 1011 Items bid on: 478 Bid retractions: 215 Bid retractions (6 months): 1472 Seems a bit excessive

10-29-2018, 02:53 PM	#10
shrevecity Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 28,059	Some people will retract their bid when they get outbid for the reason they have been shilled before. Some shillers will cancel a shill late in the auction and then that leaves the #2 bidder responsible for their bid even though they were outbid and may have already moved on to another item.

10-29-2018, 04:38 PM	#12
hawkfandan Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 549	Even if it was shilled, Ebay won't care.