The NFL will now allow coaches to challenge PI calls and No-Calls

[Bassplayah101]

Good.. they miss way too much.


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Edit: It was a 31-1 final vote in favor of.. I wonder who the lone holdout was?

[Scottish Punk]

Stupid. The NFL rules are always so reactionary. Brady gets hit low - new rule can't hit QB low, Rodgers get hurt - new rule can't land on QB, Calvin Johnson catch rules, now a high profile missed PI means we need to make a new rule about it. Just train refs better and accept human error from time to time.

[blackandgold]

It was the Bengals owner who voted against

[77racing]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Stupid. The NFL rules are always so reactionary. Brady gets hit low - new rule can't hit QB low, Rodgers get hurt - new rule can't land on QB, Calvin Johnson catch rules, now a high profile missed PI means we need to make a new rule about it. Just train refs better and accept human error from time to time.

Agreed 100%

[Bassplayah101]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Stupid. The NFL rules are always so reactionary. Brady gets hit low - new rule can't hit QB low, Rodgers get hurt - new rule can't land on QB, Calvin Johnson catch rules, now a high profile missed PI means we need to make a new rule about it. Just train refs better and accept human error from time to time.

This statement has been echoed for years. Its not getting better. One call (non-call) can and does change outcomes, they need to get it right but the human condition doesn't seem to allow it. Sometimes, the ref(s) is just not looking where he needs to at the time of the infraction, etc..

Challenging the call gives the refs the opportunity to see a play they may not have seen at the time of occurrence. Accepting human error in a professional sporting event with the kind of money thats at stake, between owners/stadiums, players compensation/careers, legalized gambling/bookmaking, and the cities that these teams reside in, makes it unacceptable IMO.
The need to get the calls correct whenever possible.
The Saints loss last year probably cost players incentives, cost the owners business incentives, possibly cost the city of New Orleans incentives beyond the game itself. There's more at stake than just the team and score these days.

I think this is a good thing, IMHO.

[jbrown36836]

Originally Posted by Bassplayah101

This statement has been echoed for years. Its not getting better. One call (non-call) can and does change outcomes, they need to get it right but the human condition doesn't seem to allow it. Sometimes, the ref(s) is just not looking where he needs to at the time of the infraction, etc..

Challenging the call gives the refs the opportunity to see a play they may not have seen at the time of occurrence. Accepting human error in a professional sporting event with the kind of money thats at stake, between owners/stadiums, players compensation/careers, legalized gambling/bookmaking, and the cities that these teams reside in, makes it unacceptable IMO.
The need to get the calls correct whenever possible.
The Saints loss last year probably cost players incentives, cost the owners business incentives, possibly cost the city of New Orleans incentives beyond the game itself. There's more at stake than just the team and score these days.

I think this is a good thing, IMHO.

I think they should've done something, but not necessarily this. I guess it will depend on how it's officiated. If any hand fighting is now PI, then that's not a good thing, and could potentially influence the outcome of a lot of games.

I'd personally rather have an upstairs official that can call down to the ref when they need to review a play. Obviously, it was a huge play, in a highly competitive and important game that caused this, but I'm not sure having the ability to review every PI call (or non-call) is the answer.

I guess it will depend on how they call things on replay, and if they call ticky tack PI in the last 2 minutes of a game, I think it will be bad. But obviously, they will catch the egregious ones, which is good.

Though I can't help but wonder... What will the next rule change be if a non-call like this happens again and the team doesn't have a challenge left?

[Scottish Punk]

I can see the next rule. Tom Brady (or insert one of the protected QBs) gets hit blind side and knocks him out for the season and ends playoffs for team. Replay shows an obvious off sides. Or the reverse, a team knocks Brady out of the playoffs on a last minute TD where and obvious hold was missed. Do those get to be reviewed now?

On the PI, we already have designed plays were the QB just chucks it downfield with the hopes of a great catch or PI. Now if it is incomplete, they will throw a challenge and see if you can find a ticky tack PI in review. Nothing to loose for the coach in the right spots.

Also, I get the Saints call was bad. I just hate the crutch of "that one call/play cost them the game". There is 60+ plays in a game, they all count. Reminds of the salty Lions fans around here when we lost because of the Cowboys call in the playoffs. Never mind that the Lions couldn't score a TD the entire second half.

[bojesphob]

Originally Posted by Bassplayah101

This statement has been echoed for years. Its not getting better. One call (non-call) can and does change outcomes, they need to get it right but the human condition doesn't seem to allow it. Sometimes, the ref(s) is just not looking where he needs to at the time of the infraction, etc..

Challenging the call gives the refs the opportunity to see a play they may not have seen at the time of occurrence. Accepting human error in a professional sporting event with the kind of money thats at stake, between owners/stadiums, players compensation/careers, legalized gambling/bookmaking, and the cities that these teams reside in, makes it unacceptable IMO.
The need to get the calls correct whenever possible.
The Saints loss last year probably cost players incentives, cost the owners business incentives, possibly cost the city of New Orleans incentives beyond the game itself. There's more at stake than just the team and score these days.

I think this is a good thing, IMHO.

It also addresses a lot of questions about the league's impartiality on who wins the games. If the teams can contest the REALLY bad calls (like the one in the Saints/Rams game), it balances out the impact and give the teams some sort of recourse to the bad calls.

[rittdk01]

Gonna challenge Every big call for PI that’s not caught and offensive PI for ones that are. Stupid as heck, but that’s why he NFL is swirling.

[packfan15412]

The only thing I hate about this is that fact that it opens the door for soo many other things... Who says a BS holding call doesn't cause someone the game? Why can't that be reviewed? Or other penalties? At what point do you say which penalty can be reviewed or not? Roughing the passer? Off Sides? False starts? Personal Fouls? Idk what the answer is but I don't think allowing for penalties to be reviewed is the correct answer. That was the beauty of challenges... you couldn't review penalties because those calls should be made by the refs... the human error aspect of it. Could you imagine if basketball allowed you to challenge fouls within the last 2 mins??

[jasonm2121]

This could end up being a bit much. Does the league even know what PI is? Players will probably start flopping like they do in the NBA. Also, excited for the Saints to lose a game on this rule.

[codered]

Originally Posted by packfan15412

The only thing I hate about this is that fact that it opens the door for soo many other things... Who says a BS holding call doesn't cause someone the game? Why can't that be reviewed? Or other penalties? At what point do you say which penalty can be reviewed or not? Roughing the passer? Off Sides? False starts? Personal Fouls? Idk what the answer is but I don't think allowing for penalties to be reviewed is the correct answer. That was the beauty of challenges... you couldn't review penalties because those calls should be made by the refs... the human error aspect of it. Could you imagine if basketball allowed you to challenge fouls within the last 2 mins??

Agreed 100% opens a can of worms that the nfl isn’t ready for. I’m just glad we won’t have to hear Sean Payton grip and moan all off season. I’m getting tired of his complaining

[LCM1223]

Finally

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by codered

Agreed 100% opens a can of worms that the nfl isn’t ready for. I’m just glad we won’t have to hear Sean Payton grip and moan all off season. I’m getting tired of his complaining

You think he will stop because of this?

[IronMonkey415]

Will this make the game slower then usual?

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Bassplayah101

This statement has been echoed for years. Its not getting better. One call (non-call) can and does change outcomes, they need to get it right but the human condition doesn't seem to allow it. Sometimes, the ref(s) is just not looking where he needs to at the time of the infraction, etc..

Challenging the call gives the refs the opportunity to see a play they may not have seen at the time of occurrence. Accepting human error in a professional sporting event with the kind of money thats at stake, between owners/stadiums, players compensation/careers, legalized gambling/bookmaking, and the cities that these teams reside in, makes it unacceptable IMO.
The need to get the calls correct whenever possible.
The Saints loss last year probably cost players incentives, cost the owners business incentives, possibly cost the city of New Orleans incentives beyond the game itself. There's more at stake than just the team and score these days.

I think this is a good thing, IMHO.

The NFL is in the business of entertainment....... frankly they could care less whether every single call is correct

you could legitimately call and/or offensive holding/PI/Defensive holding for every single pass play in a game

it just it what it is; calls are missed on every single play.... unless they want to review every play then this won't make the outcome any more "correct"... they will just save face a tiny bit for not having the blatant call at the end of the game blown.... when in reality if every single call was reviewed through the game's entirety that one play near the end wouldn't even have an impact on the outcome

i'm not a fan of this........ the NFL should just embrace the entertainment nature of the game... it's moving more and more toward WWE than traditional football, it's the bed they made and now they need to sleep in it

[Jay9Suited]

What about potential PI calls under 2 min where normal plays can't be challenged?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

What about potential PI calls under 2 min where normal plays can't be challenged?

The replay booth, in conjunction with the league's officiating office in New York, will initiate those challenges in the final two minutes of each half.

[Jay9Suited]

Will be interesting to see how many Hail Mary plays get PI and another shot from the 1. Seems like a ridiculous rule change..

[Bassplayah101]

Originally Posted by jbrown36836

I think they should've done something, but not necessarily this. I guess it will depend on how it's officiated. If any hand fighting is now PI, then that's not a good thing, and could potentially influence the outcome of a lot of games.

I'd personally rather have an upstairs official that can call down to the ref when they need to review a play. Obviously, it was a huge play, in a highly competitive and important game that caused this, but I'm not sure having the ability to review every PI call (or non-call) is the answer.

I guess it will depend on how they call things on replay, and if they call ticky tack PI in the last 2 minutes of a game, I think it will be bad. But obviously, they will catch the egregious ones, which is good.

Though I can't help but wonder... What will the next rule change be if a non-call like this happens again and the team doesn't have a challenge left?

Ovbiously information is still trickling out to the masses, but from a bleacherreport.com article, is says; coaches can challenge these calls up to the last 2 minutes.
Any call thereafter WILL go upstairs for review.

It goes on to say this if this rule was in effect during the Saints/Rams game, the review would have gone upstairs for review, and been overturned.

Im still waiting to see what the deal is with the "amount" of reviews teams are allowed and how they're managing that. whether these calls with bee in a seperate bucket of "allowed" challenges, or if the original 2-challenge rule remains in effect.

The only thing that concerns me with this new rule are the, as you put it, "ticky tack" calls, and if every single play under 2:00 will be scrutinized, as that will cause huge delays, possibly help to change momentum, etc.. this aspect Im not to keen on.

[blackandgold]

31/32 owners agreed and 32 coaches agreed to the rule hmmmmm

[majestik101]

Here's an idea.... Don't throw flags at slaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SRk...layer_embedded

[codered]

Originally Posted by Bassplayah101

Ovbiously information is still trickling out to the masses, but from a bleacherreport.com article, is says; coaches can challenge these calls up to the last 2 minutes.
Any call thereafter WILL go upstairs for review.

It goes on to say this if this rule was in effect during the Saints/Rams game, the review would have gone upstairs for review, and been overturned.

Im still waiting to see what the deal is with the "amount" of reviews teams are allowed and how they're managing that. whether these calls with bee in a seperate bucket of "allowed" challenges, or if the original 2-challenge rule remains in effect.

The only thing that concerns me with this new rule are the, as you put it, "ticky tack" calls, and if every single play under 2:00 will be scrutinized, as that will cause huge delays, possibly help to change momentum, etc.. this aspect Im not to keen on.

Also it’s going to draw more attention to penalties like defensive/offensive holding, which if you’re calling by the letter of the law happens almost every play and people are going to complain as to why they aren’t reviewed but PI is. It’s crazy to think that a missed defensive hold on a receiver could be missed but a missed PI called can be reviewed. There is a ton of casual fans that see defensive holding on a receiver and PI as one and the same

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

Will be interesting to see how many Hail Mary plays get PI and another shot from the 1. Seems like a ridiculous rule change..

It should make gambling more exciting

[micorps1]

The nfl will just become more boring waiting for decisions for all the coach's challenges. It was already boring live waiting for all the commercial pauses. I would rather go to a hovkey or baseball game.