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Old 04-17-2019, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default Probstein123 Selling BGS 8.5 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby Auto RC w/ Fake Patch

This is my first time posting on the hockey board. Just letting you guys know that the 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby RPA currently for sale, serial numbered #15/99 and graded BGS 8.5, has a fake patch. The original single colored black patch has been replaced with a three-color patch. Probstein is not a seller I've had much luck with in regards to taking stuff down, so just posting so potential buyers are aware. It is currently at over $25,000 with 6 days to go, so that is a serious investment for an altered card.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-06-UD-...5/362623039502







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Old 04-17-2019, 10:44 AM   #2
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Why replace the patch?
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Old 04-17-2019, 10:55 AM   #3
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Why replace the patch?
Greed
Idiocy
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Dumbassery
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Old 04-17-2019, 12:38 PM   #4
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Why replace the patch?
Because the forger never thought he'd get found out. Until he did. Now that card is forever tainted.
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:03 PM   #5
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That's a big boy card. If Probstein doesn't take it down or add a message referencing the alteration if he is informed about this, then what they say about him is true. If he does take it down, good for him. But that is definitely a tough pill to swallow if you buy that card without knowing.
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:30 PM   #6
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Always great stuff Dan.
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:32 PM   #7
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tweet that image to Darren Rovelle
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:04 PM   #8
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Another good question is how this card ever got a 9.5 from BGS for the surface when there are obvious visible prying and scratch marks around the patch window from the alteration.
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:57 PM   #9
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Another good question is how this card ever got a 9.5 from BGS for the surface when there are obvious visible prying and scratch marks around the patch window from the alteration.

Good eye spotting that damage around the patch window. I circled the area of concern on the window so others can see it too. Notice the absence of damage on the window before the fake patch was put in:

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Old 04-17-2019, 03:08 PM   #10
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I contacted them too. Serioulsy doubt it gets pulled. If it doesnt, they should be charged with fraud for knowingly selling altered goods without disclosing it.
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:17 PM   #11
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What an idiot. Almost worse than the guy who put the logoman on the Durant Exquisite RPA. Good catch Dan.
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:20 PM   #12
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New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(595,425)
we will be ending this listing , I am just waiting to here back from ebay

Waiting to hear back from Ebay? Is the "end listing" Button Broken?
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:30 PM   #13
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New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(595,425)
we will be ending this listing , I am just waiting to here back from ebay

Waiting to hear back from Ebay? Is the "end listing" Button Broken?

Maybe they are making sure there will be no fees for ending it early? That's the only thing I can think of. Hopefully they follow through.

The card was graded on March 11, 2019, so whoever consigned it to Probstein is likely the person who submitted it for grading. The question is are they also the person who altered the card?
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:58 PM   #14
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I don't have the coin available to buy this card so my opinion doesn't matter but the altering of this card is a damn shame.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:03 PM   #15
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Odds that this card, 2 serial numbers away, currently up for auction with PWCC. and graded on the same day, is also fake?

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Old 04-17-2019, 05:07 PM   #16
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Very high odds
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:49 PM   #17
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i would put it at 100% when you look at the other plate. There has to be a pic of that card out there, but I havent been able to find it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1-Tom-Bra...-/282810293855
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:57 PM   #18
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another fake from pwcc. amazing when you look at all the others only the super high end have anything other than plain patches.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:59 PM   #19
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this one ended the same day as the brady I posted above did the first time they sold it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:00 PM   #20
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I am shocked none of the BGS homers have not shown up saying..."They dont look at or grade the patch"

The card is altered. It is not in its original form as it was the day it was pulled out of a pack.

It should have the altered label that BGS uses.
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I am shocked none of the BGS homers have not shown up saying..."They dont look at or grade the patch"

The card is altered. It is not in its original form as it was the day it was pulled out of a pack.

It should have the altered label that BGS uses.
Not grading the patch is one thing- missing the inevitable damage that occurs when patches are messed with is quite another.
And to be fair, damaged patch/jersey/mem windows aren't always a sign of tampering. I've pulled cards that had this sort of damage straight from packs. But a scuff/rip/tear/dent is still surface damage regardless of whether it occurred at the factory or from "mishandling" or downright mischievousness, and should be graded as such.

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Not grading the patch is one thing- missing the inevitable damage that occurs when patches are messed with is quite another.
And to be fair, damaged patch/jersey/mem windows aren't always a sign of tampering. I've pulled cards that had this sort of damage straight from packs. But a scuff/rip/tear/dent is still surface damage regardless of whether it occurred at the factory or from "mishandling" or downright mischievousness, and should be graded as such.
I 100% agree. The fact that this card has a 9.5 Surface grade is a joke.

You think that surafce grade is bad...take a peek at this thread. Just the absolute worst job of grading I have ever seen.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=odell+scratch
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Did someone inform pwcc about the Brady? Their response?
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Old 04-17-2019, 08:53 PM   #24
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Did someone inform pwcc about the Brady? Their response?
They won't pull it unless there's a picture of the unaltered card.

I'm still waiting to see if they're going to pull down the last of the trimmed Brady RCs from my thread last week.
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Old 04-17-2019, 09:11 PM   #25
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I do agree that the Brady Triple Threads 1/1 Plate has all fake patches. However, I cannot find any images of the card in its "before" state, so unless someone has that evidence it will be sold.

As for the Crosby, it is now up over $35,000 and the auction is still running with Probstein.
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