Probstein123 Selling BGS 8.5 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby Auto RC w/ Fake Patch

superdan49 · 04-17-2019, 09:45 AM

This is my first time posting on the hockey board. Just letting you guys know that the 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby RPA currently for sale, serial numbered #15/99 and graded BGS 8.5, has a fake patch. The original single colored black patch has been replaced with a three-color patch. Probstein is not a seller I've had much luck with in regards to taking stuff down, so just posting so potential buyers are aware. It is currently at over $25,000 with 6 days to go, so that is a serious investment for an altered card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-06-UD-...5/362623039502

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ue-rookie-auto

jmsodpc · 04-17-2019, 10:44 AM

Why replace the patch?

LCM1223 · 04-17-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jmsodpc

Why replace the patch?

Greed
Idiocy
Lunacy
Dumbassery

superdan49 · 04-17-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jmsodpc

Why replace the patch?

Because the forger never thought he'd get found out. Until he did. Now that card is forever tainted.

pgisback · 04-17-2019, 01:03 PM

That's a big boy card. If Probstein doesn't take it down or add a message referencing the alteration if he is informed about this, then what they say about him is true. If he does take it down, good for him. But that is definitely a tough pill to swallow if you buy that card without knowing.

discostu · 04-17-2019, 01:30 PM

Always great stuff Dan.

fenwaykid · 04-17-2019, 01:32 PM

tweet that image to Darren Rovelle

valleynuckfan · 04-17-2019, 02:04 PM

Another good question is how this card ever got a 9.5 from BGS for the surface when there are obvious visible prying and scratch marks around the patch window from the alteration.

superdan49 · 04-17-2019, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Another good question is how this card ever got a 9.5 from BGS for the surface when there are obvious visible prying and scratch marks around the patch window from the alteration.

Good eye spotting that damage around the patch window. I circled the area of concern on the window so others can see it too. Notice the absence of damage on the window before the fake patch was put in:

callou2131 · 04-17-2019, 03:08 PM

I contacted them too. Serioulsy doubt it gets pulled. If it doesnt, they should be charged with fraud for knowingly selling altered goods without disclosing it.

KhalDrogo · 04-17-2019, 04:17 PM

What an idiot. Almost worse than the guy who put the logoman on the Durant Exquisite RPA. Good catch Dan.

callou2131 · 04-17-2019, 04:20 PM

New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(595,425)
we will be ending this listing , I am just waiting to here back from ebay

Waiting to hear back from Ebay? Is the "end listing" Button Broken?

superdan49 · 04-17-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by callou2131

New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(595,425)
we will be ending this listing , I am just waiting to here back from ebay

Waiting to hear back from Ebay? Is the "end listing" Button Broken?

Maybe they are making sure there will be no fees for ending it early? That's the only thing I can think of. Hopefully they follow through.

The card was graded on March 11, 2019, so whoever consigned it to Probstein is likely the person who submitted it for grading. The question is are they also the person who altered the card?

JMarchand1981 · 04-17-2019, 04:58 PM

I don't have the coin available to buy this card so my opinion doesn't matter but the altering of this card is a damn shame.

3124508 on COMC · 04-17-2019, 05:03 PM

Odds that this card, 2 serial numbers away, currently up for auction with PWCC. and graded on the same day, is also fake?

pgisback · 04-17-2019, 05:07 PM

Very high odds

callou2131 · 04-17-2019, 05:49 PM

i would put it at 100% when you look at the other plate. There has to be a pic of that card out there, but I havent been able to find it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1-Tom-Bra...-/282810293855

callou2131 · 04-17-2019, 05:57 PM

another fake from pwcc. amazing when you look at all the others only the super high end have anything other than plain patches.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

callou2131 · 04-17-2019, 05:59 PM

this one ended the same day as the brady I posted above did the first time they sold it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

cking · 04-17-2019, 06:00 PM

I am shocked none of the BGS homers have not shown up saying..."They dont look at or grade the patch"

The card is altered. It is not in its original form as it was the day it was pulled out of a pack.

It should have the altered label that BGS uses.

valleynuckfan · 04-17-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cking

I am shocked none of the BGS homers have not shown up saying..."They dont look at or grade the patch"

The card is altered. It is not in its original form as it was the day it was pulled out of a pack.

It should have the altered label that BGS uses.

Not grading the patch is one thing- missing the inevitable damage that occurs when patches are messed with is quite another.
And to be fair, damaged patch/jersey/mem windows aren't always a sign of tampering. I've pulled cards that had this sort of damage straight from packs. But a scuff/rip/tear/dent is still surface damage regardless of whether it occurred at the factory or from "mishandling" or downright mischievousness, and should be graded as such.

cking · 04-17-2019, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Not grading the patch is one thing- missing the inevitable damage that occurs when patches are messed with is quite another.
And to be fair, damaged patch/jersey/mem windows aren't always a sign of tampering. I've pulled cards that had this sort of damage straight from packs. But a scuff/rip/tear/dent is still surface damage regardless of whether it occurred at the factory or from "mishandling" or downright mischievousness, and should be graded as such.

I 100% agree. The fact that this card has a 9.5 Surface grade is a joke.

You think that surafce grade is bad...take a peek at this thread. Just the absolute worst job of grading I have ever seen.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=odell+scratch

Buysellyell · 04-17-2019, 08:42 PM

Did someone inform pwcc about the Brady? Their response?

3124508 on COMC · 04-17-2019, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buysellyell

Did someone inform pwcc about the Brady? Their response?

They won't pull it unless there's a picture of the unaltered card.

I'm still waiting to see if they're going to pull down the last of the trimmed Brady RCs from my thread last week.

superdan49 · 04-17-2019, 09:11 PM

I do agree that the Brady Triple Threads 1/1 Plate has all fake patches. However, I cannot find any images of the card in its "before" state, so unless someone has that evidence it will be sold.

As for the Crosby, it is now up over $35,000 and the auction is still running with Probstein.

04-17-2019, 01:30 PM	#6
discostu Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,990	Always great stuff Dan. __________________ Every day I start to ooze.

04-17-2019, 03:08 PM	#10
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,454	I contacted them too. Serioulsy doubt it gets pulled. If it doesnt, they should be charged with fraud for knowingly selling altered goods without disclosing it. __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

04-17-2019, 04:17 PM	#11
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,077	What an idiot. Almost worse than the guy who put the logoman on the Durant Exquisite RPA. Good catch Dan. __________________ I love PSA!

04-17-2019, 04:20 PM	#12
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,454	New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(595,425) we will be ending this listing , I am just waiting to here back from ebay Waiting to hear back from Ebay? Is the "end listing" Button Broken? __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

04-17-2019, 05:49 PM	#17
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,454	i would put it at 100% when you look at the other plate. There has to be a pic of that card out there, but I havent been able to find it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1-Tom-Bra...-/282810293855 __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi Last edited by callou2131; 04-17-2019 at 05:51 PM.

04-17-2019, 09:45 AM	#1
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Probstein123 Selling BGS 8.5 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby Auto RC w/ Fake Patch This is my first time posting on the hockey board. Just letting you guys know that the 2005-06 UD The Cup Sidney Crosby RPA currently for sale, serial numbered #15/99 and graded BGS 8.5, has a fake patch. The original single colored black patch has been replaced with a three-color patch. Probstein is not a seller I've had much luck with in regards to taking stuff down, so just posting so potential buyers are aware. It is currently at over $25,000 with 6 days to go, so that is a serious investment for an altered card. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-06-UD-...5/362623039502 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ue-rookie-auto __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

04-17-2019, 10:44 AM	#2
jmsodpc Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,288	Why replace the patch?

04-17-2019, 01:03 PM	#5
pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	That's a big boy card. If Probstein doesn't take it down or add a message referencing the alteration if he is informed about this, then what they say about him is true. If he does take it down, good for him. But that is definitely a tough pill to swallow if you buy that card without knowing.

04-17-2019, 01:32 PM	#7
fenwaykid Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 5,310 fenwaykid	tweet that image to Darren Rovelle

04-17-2019, 02:04 PM	#8
valleynuckfan Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Upper Cascadia Posts: 3,596 bcsean	Another good question is how this card ever got a 9.5 from BGS for the surface when there are obvious visible prying and scratch marks around the patch window from the alteration.

04-17-2019, 04:58 PM	#14
JMarchand1981 Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 34,438	I don't have the coin available to buy this card so my opinion doesn't matter but the altering of this card is a damn shame.

04-17-2019, 05:03 PM	#15
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,361	Odds that this card, 2 serial numbers away, currently up for auction with PWCC. and graded on the same day, is also fake?

04-17-2019, 05:07 PM	#16
pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	Very high odds

04-17-2019, 05:57 PM	#18
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,454	another fake from pwcc. amazing when you look at all the others only the super high end have anything other than plain patches. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557 __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

04-17-2019, 05:59 PM	#19
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,454	this one ended the same day as the brady I posted above did the first time they sold it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...p2047675.l2557 __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

04-17-2019, 06:00 PM	#20
cking Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16,263	I am shocked none of the BGS homers have not shown up saying..."They dont look at or grade the patch" The card is altered. It is not in its original form as it was the day it was pulled out of a pack. It should have the altered label that BGS uses.

04-17-2019, 08:42 PM	#23
Buysellyell Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 132	Did someone inform pwcc about the Brady? Their response?

04-17-2019, 09:11 PM	#25
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	I do agree that the Brady Triple Threads 1/1 Plate has all fake patches. However, I cannot find any images of the card in its "before" state, so unless someone has that evidence it will be sold. As for the Crosby, it is now up over $35,000 and the auction is still running with Probstein. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line