Are Michael Jordan Rookie Card Prices On The Rise Again?

Hagaman42 · 04-30-2019, 03:29 PM

Are Michael Jordan Rookie Card Prices On The Rise Again?

A few years ago it seems like Michael Jordan rookie card prices rose significantly (through what may have been a manufactured demand and inflation) and then leveled out. It appears that prices are on the rise again, not as significantly as a few years ago, however wanted to get other people's thoughts/opinions.

6celtics33 · 04-30-2019, 03:36 PM

They are but there are no organic reasons for it so don't get taken

CavKing · 04-30-2019, 03:57 PM

Curious, what would organic reasons be? Could new interest and demand be a possibility? I know there are tons of Jordan rookies out there, but his popularity and place in history is only continuing to grow, no?

jstephens24 · 04-30-2019, 04:03 PM

im thinking its getting closer to nationals so prices will go up in key cards. this isn't the only card going up

6celtics33 · 04-30-2019, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CavKing

Curious, what would organic reasons be? Could new interest and demand be a possibility? I know there are tons of Jordan rookies out there, but his popularity and place in history is only continuing to grow, no?

on court accomplishments
rarity
hall of fame
death
comeback

Anything that would drive interest in him and cause it to spike

There are simply far too many of them to suddenly decide to be more valuable than they were last month or whenever

We've been through this before. I defended it before and I witnessed the crash. I love Jordan and collect Jordan but the fleer rookie isn't rare.

The star if you can find a nice copy is pretty rare.

But most likely it's more shenanigans

Jasondr91 · 04-30-2019, 04:09 PM

^^Don't forget the hype machines and “podcasts” devoted to pushing the agenda. I remember it on Beckett, to hobby Kings, and then to blowout.

Gem10collection · 04-30-2019, 06:23 PM

PSA 9 #57 averages

1. In 2004 you could have picked one up for $2k.
2. At the 2016 peak they had risen to a little over $6k.
3. Then they settled at a little over $4k.
4. Now, they are rising again and are north of $5k.

Looks like a very smooth market to me. If you think sports cards suck and are worthless then a MJ RC is garbage. Otherwise.... next stop $6k. When, I don’t know, but you’re not going to see $4k again.

JWBlue · 04-30-2019, 11:08 PM

New money in the market with collectors from that era now in their mid forties with more disposable income.

There will probably a steady rise in the next 5 years.

AbraCalabro · 04-30-2019, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

on court accomplishments
rarity
hall of fame
death
comeback

Anything that would drive interest in him and cause it to spike

There are simply far too many of them to suddenly decide to be more valuable than they were last month or whenever

We've been through this before. I defended it before and I witnessed the crash. I love Jordan and collect Jordan but the fleer rookie isn't rare.

The star if you can find a nice copy is pretty rare.

But most likely it's more shenanigans

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

^^Don't forget the hype machines and “podcasts” devoted to pushing the agenda. I remember it on Beckett, to hobby Kings, and then to blowout.

These guys know what's up. ^^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBlue

New money in the market with collectors from that era now in their mid forties with more disposable income.

There will probably a steady rise in the next 5 years.

People in their mid 40s have had a disposable income for a long time, so that's not a new element. Jordan has been established as a commercial/culture icon for a long time already, there is no considerable change, or reason on Jordan's end, or in the perception people have of MJ behind dramatic increases in his prices. Kobe and LBJ will likely see artificial bumps sooner than later.

rats60 · 05-01-2019, 03:11 AM

The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan is the modern equivalent of the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. Neither card is particularly rare, but they both have risen over time and will continue to do so.

There are several thousand 52 Topps Mantles yet they bring ~10k in poor condition, 40-50k in mid grades and over 100k in NM or better. Every major auction has one or multiples.

Yes, the 1986 Fleer Jordan is on the rise again. Don't mistake a pull back last time as a sign the card is being hyped. It is natural that as this card rises, it won't be in a steady upward trend. It will go up, drop some and level off. Every time it does this it still ends higher after the rise and drop than before the rise. If you want one, the time is now to buy or you will pay more later.

MJGOAT23 · 05-01-2019, 06:29 AM

I think the MJ RC levels out for a period of time when a Kobe or LBJ or the next MJ comes along and is talked about as the new potential GOAT, then Kobe tears an achilles or LBJ misses the playoffs and those hype trains die down and everyone again realizes MJ isnt being knocked off the top and it picks up steam again. However, as 6celtics33 mentioned...all of a sudden in two months the PSA 9 rises $1500+?! the PSA 10 rises 10k?! that's too unnatural.

ND3 · 05-01-2019, 06:30 AM

Yes Gary V said buy basketball cards. Alternative investment for all.

artyman60 · 05-01-2019, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

These guys know what's up. ^^^

People in their mid 40s have had a disposable income for a long time, so that's not a new element. Jordan has been established as a commercial/culture icon for a long time already, there is no considerable change, or reason on Jordan's end, or in the perception people have of MJ behind dramatic increases in his prices. Kobe and LBJ will likely see artificial bumps sooner than later.

Pretty sure Kobe’s stuff is starting to get the “special treatment”, atleast his upper deck autos. They seem to be going for more And more by the month

Boo · 05-01-2019, 06:41 AM

Buyers group must be circling back around

jgrann13 · 05-01-2019, 09:42 AM

Star XRC #101 is still IMO the most criminally under-priced card in the Hobby.

MJGOAT23 · 05-01-2019, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgrann13

Star XRC #101 is still IMO the most criminally under-priced card in the Hobby.

because PSA doesn't grade them

gomiamigo · 05-01-2019, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgrann13

Star XRC #101 is still IMO the most criminally under-priced card in the Hobby.

Not when they're easy to fake.

Rareairx23 · 05-01-2019, 10:09 AM

They are if you’re shilling them

Starman101 · 05-01-2019, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgrann13

Star XRC #101 is still IMO the most criminally under-priced card in the Hobby.

True

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

because PSA doesn't grade them

Somewhat true

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

Not when they're easy to fake.

False

jgrann13 · 05-01-2019, 11:02 AM

Clean Authentic BGS decent grade copies of the 101 should not be able to be had for less then a Luke Doncic RPA.

That's insane. All the more reason why 8+ BGS graded ones should be at a very high premium.

Soleternity · 05-01-2019, 11:11 AM

We discuss topics like this on our podcast and I invite you to check it out. We haven't done an episode specifically on the Fleer RC yet, but we touch on it from time to time in the broader context of discussing the MJ market. I could write 10,000 words on the subject of MJ market fluctuations as they pertain to the Fleer RC, I just don't have the time to do it right now. If you'd like to check out our podcast, it can be found here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/238508

I can't resist stirring the pot just a little bit here. If you're offering a causal analysis of MJ price fluctuations in 2019 and you haven't mentioned the $350,100 MJ PMG Green sale, I'm probably not going to take your opinion very seriously. Even if you take the counterintuitive position that's it has had zero effect, or a negative effect, on MJ Fleer RC prices, a thoughtful take would, at a minimum, acknowledge its potential influence.

A final note. For the last 6 months I've been developing a model that predicts values of 90s MJ inserts. I've published its predictions in advance of auctions twice. If that sounds like a topic of interest to you, check out these three articles I wrote about it:

Predicting PWCC Auction #3 (2019)
Post Mortem: Analyzing PWCC Auction #3 (2019) Predictions
Predicting PWCC Auction #4 (2019)

If this content interests you and you'd like to get updated on when more of it comes out, follow me on IG: @90sbasketballcardstash

6celtics33 · 05-01-2019, 12:02 PM

Sometimes I’m embarrassed to be an MJ collector

The MJ market brings out the slimiest sleeziest dirtbags this “hobby” has to offer

Cue the Pete Bell speech from Blue Chips and insert Jordan cards in place of the word basketball

isles4life · 05-01-2019, 12:06 PM

Im wondering if its just Jordan or vintage in general. Gretzky OPC RC’s have seen a nice increase as of late as well.

Starman101 · 05-01-2019, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgrann13

Clean Authentic BGS decent grade copies of the 101 should not be able to be had for less then a Luke Doncic RPA.

That's insane. All the more reason why 8+ BGS graded ones should be at a very high premium.

Ding ding.....

We have a winner

The voice of reason

Finally a little common sense

6celtics33 · 05-01-2019, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman101

Ding ding.....

We have a winner

The voice of reason

Finally a little common sense

It’s held back because all the sheeple need PSA to tell them what’s ok to collect (invest) in

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isles4life Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,409	Im wondering if its just Jordan or vintage in general. Gretzky OPC RC’s have seen a nice increase as of late as well. __________________ Insta: hausofcards1

04-30-2019, 03:29 PM	#1
Hagaman42 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Butler, PA Posts: 3,065 hagaman42 Hagaman42	Are Michael Jordan Rookie Card Prices On The Rise Again? Are Michael Jordan Rookie Card Prices On The Rise Again? A few years ago it seems like Michael Jordan rookie card prices rose significantly (through what may have been a manufactured demand and inflation) and then leveled out. It appears that prices are on the rise again, not as significantly as a few years ago, however wanted to get other people's thoughts/opinions. __________________ PC Players: Michael Jordan, David Robinson, Ben Roethlisberger, Sidney Crosby, Sabrina Ionescu WTTF: 2020 Prizm Sabrina Ionescu, 2019 National Treasures Ryan Finley RPA, Disney Lorcana Bucket: https://www.flickr.com/photos/156933719@N02/albums

04-30-2019, 03:36 PM	#2
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	They are but there are no organic reasons for it so don't get taken

04-30-2019, 03:57 PM	#3
CavKing Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 90	Curious, what would organic reasons be? Could new interest and demand be a possibility? I know there are tons of Jordan rookies out there, but his popularity and place in history is only continuing to grow, no?

04-30-2019, 04:03 PM	#4
jstephens24 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,606	im thinking its getting closer to nationals so prices will go up in key cards. this isn't the only card going up __________________ At the age of 5, a bear told me only I could prevent forest fires. Why I was chosen, I'll never know https://8thwondercards.weeblysite.com/ Twitter/IG: 8thWonderCards

04-30-2019, 06:23 PM	#7
Gem10collection Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 789	PSA 9 #57 averages 1. In 2004 you could have picked one up for $2k. 2. At the 2016 peak they had risen to a little over $6k. 3. Then they settled at a little over $4k. 4. Now, they are rising again and are north of $5k. Looks like a very smooth market to me. If you think sports cards suck and are worthless then a MJ RC is garbage. Otherwise.... next stop $6k. When, I don’t know, but you’re not going to see $4k again.

04-30-2019, 11:08 PM	#8
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 10,278	New money in the market with collectors from that era now in their mid forties with more disposable income. There will probably a steady rise in the next 5 years.

05-01-2019, 03:11 AM	#10
rats60 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,173	The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan is the modern equivalent of the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. Neither card is particularly rare, but they both have risen over time and will continue to do so. There are several thousand 52 Topps Mantles yet they bring ~10k in poor condition, 40-50k in mid grades and over 100k in NM or better. Every major auction has one or multiples. Yes, the 1986 Fleer Jordan is on the rise again. Don't mistake a pull back last time as a sign the card is being hyped. It is natural that as this card rises, it won't be in a steady upward trend. It will go up, drop some and level off. Every time it does this it still ends higher after the rise and drop than before the rise. If you want one, the time is now to buy or you will pay more later.

05-01-2019, 06:29 AM	#11
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,969 djhoog23	I think the MJ RC levels out for a period of time when a Kobe or LBJ or the next MJ comes along and is talked about as the new potential GOAT, then Kobe tears an achilles or LBJ misses the playoffs and those hype trains die down and everyone again realizes MJ isnt being knocked off the top and it picks up steam again. However, as 6celtics33 mentioned...all of a sudden in two months the PSA 9 rises $1500+?! the PSA 10 rises 10k?! that's too unnatural.

05-01-2019, 09:42 AM	#15
jgrann13 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 791	Star XRC #101 is still IMO the most criminally under-priced card in the Hobby.

05-01-2019, 10:09 AM	#18
Rareairx23 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: new hampshire Posts: 6,795 2011champs41	They are if you’re shilling them

05-01-2019, 11:02 AM	#20
jgrann13 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 791	Clean Authentic BGS decent grade copies of the 101 should not be able to be had for less then a Luke Doncic RPA. That's insane. All the more reason why 8+ BGS graded ones should be at a very high premium.

05-01-2019, 11:11 AM	#21
Soleternity Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 467	We discuss topics like this on our podcast and I invite you to check it out. We haven't done an episode specifically on the Fleer RC yet, but we touch on it from time to time in the broader context of discussing the MJ market. I could write 10,000 words on the subject of MJ market fluctuations as they pertain to the Fleer RC, I just don't have the time to do it right now. If you'd like to check out our podcast, it can be found here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/238508 I can't resist stirring the pot just a little bit here. If you're offering a causal analysis of MJ price fluctuations in 2019 and you haven't mentioned the $350,100 MJ PMG Green sale, I'm probably not going to take your opinion very seriously. Even if you take the counterintuitive position that's it has had zero effect, or a negative effect, on MJ Fleer RC prices, a thoughtful take would, at a minimum, acknowledge its potential influence. A final note. For the last 6 months I've been developing a model that predicts values of 90s MJ inserts. I've published its predictions in advance of auctions twice. If that sounds like a topic of interest to you, check out these three articles I wrote about it: Predicting PWCC Auction #3 (2019) Post Mortem: Analyzing PWCC Auction #3 (2019) Predictions Predicting PWCC Auction #4 (2019) If this content interests you and you'd like to get updated on when more of it comes out, follow me on IG: @90sbasketballcardstash

05-01-2019, 12:02 PM	#22
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,313	Sometimes I’m embarrassed to be an MJ collector The MJ market brings out the slimiest sleeziest dirtbags this “hobby” has to offer Cue the Pete Bell speech from Blue Chips and insert Jordan cards in place of the word basketball