Where is Giannis's ceiling?

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 10:49 PM

Giannis shot 44% in the conf finals, 33% from 3, and 54% from the line against the stellar front court of 34 year old Marc Gasol and Pascal Siakam?

He has a worse mid range touch than ME , those aren't initials - I mean me, and stopped attacking the basket because he shot 17-36 from the line his last 4 games.

I'm not sure about this guy's ceiling. He is a generational talent as an athlete, but every athlete loses their bounce. Once that's gone, he has no jumper to fall back on, like say a Kobe, KG or a Malone.

He is of course only 24 so there is time but as I said, his shooting touch is absolutely horrific.
When it comes to playoffs, defences work you out. The Raptors took two games to work out how to shut him down.

PKIPP · 05-25-2019, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ljandkg

Giannis shot 44% in the conf finals, 33% from 3, and 54% from the line against the stellar front court of 34 year old Marc Gasol and Pascal Siakam?

He has a worse mid range touch than ME, and stopped attacking the basket because he shot 17-36 from the line his last 4 games.

I'm not sure about this guy's ceiling. He is a generational talent as an athlete, but every athlete loses their bounce. Once that's gone, he has no jumper to fall back on, like say a KG or a Malone.

He is of course only 24 so there is time but as I said, his shooting touch is absolutely horrific.
When it comes to playoffs, defences work you out. The Raptors took two games to work out how to shut him down.

Vs NBA competition? Interesting.

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 10:53 PM

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Vs NBA competition? Interesting.

Open jumpers......and he's open for a reason.

ThoseBackPages · 05-25-2019, 10:54 PM

the NBA is sad, as the FInals will be boring

PKIPP · 05-25-2019, 10:54 PM

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Open jumpers......and he's open for a reason.

Fair....

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 10:56 PM

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the NBA is sad, as the FInals will be boring

They'll be closer. Giannis wasn't going to go off vs GSW if he couldn't score on the Siakam or Ibaka.

escapegoat · 05-25-2019, 10:56 PM

his ceiling is the roof

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 10:59 PM

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his ceiling is the roof

....of........

yiguiri2002 · 05-25-2019, 11:00 PM

LeBron is the ceiling I would think.

CardboardGems · 05-25-2019, 11:01 PM

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....of........

The jordan memes will never stop lol

ThoseBackPages · 05-25-2019, 11:01 PM

Gary Vee is PepeHands

cardnoob · 05-25-2019, 11:02 PM

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his ceiling is the roof

Lol.. Jordan at his finest.

pejc300 · 05-25-2019, 11:02 PM

I think Andrew Bynum is a good comparison.

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 11:03 PM

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I think Andrew Bynum is a good comparison.

Oh look out....

GSWSFGSF49 · 05-25-2019, 11:08 PM

Let’s not overreact. Raptors had a great game plan with right personnel for it. Giannis is young and improving every year, his 3 has come along which will help, he is a menace down low. He needs to improve his playmaking to open things up right now he is pretty predictable, but in some ways that’s because the bucks offense isn’t much movement. It’s option 1: Giannis drive. Option 2: if nothing is there he throws it out after his spin move. His play will evolve and they will continue to build around him. His ceiling is one of the best to play the game. When I look at his improvement, I can seem him continuing to develop a jump shot, the effort and drive is there the skill is there, the guy has put in extreme work his whole career and I don’t see that stopping anytime soon.

Giantrobot · 05-25-2019, 11:12 PM

Giannis is a hardworking athlete with tremendous physical gifts. He is not a natural basketball player with the shooting touch or special vision that the true greats display. He is more of a manufactured player that is being groomed to become something great based on his physical gifts.

GSWSFGSF49 · 05-25-2019, 11:14 PM

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Giannis is a hardworking athlete with tremendous physical gifts. He is not a natural basketball player with the shooting touch or special vision that the true greats display. He is more of a manufactured player that is being groomed to become something great based on his physical gifts.

Stop, when you’re an MVP candidate, first team all NBA you are a natural basketball player. Ya he’s huge and an anomaly, like idk almost all the NBA, full of people who are bigger than most people we have ever encountered and are more explosive than any player we played against.

ljandkg · 05-25-2019, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GSWSFGSF49

Let’s not overreact. Raptors had a great game plan with right personnel for it. Giannis is young and improving every year, his 3 has come along which will help, he is a menace down low. He needs to improve his playmaking to open things up right now he is pretty predictable, but in some ways that’s because the bucks offense isn’t much movement. It’s option 1: Giannis drive. Option 2: if nothing is there he throws it out after his spin move. His play will evolve and they will continue to build around him. His ceiling is one of the best to play the game. When I look at his improvement, I can seem him continuing to develop a jump shot, the effort and drive is there the skill is there, the guy has put in extreme work his whole career and I don’t see that stopping anytime soon.

Good shout, he'd be freed up with a more creative point guard that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Giantrobot

Giannis is a hardworking athlete with tremendous physical gifts. He is not a natural basketball player with the shooting touch or special vision that the true greats display. He is more of a manufactured player that is being groomed to become something great based on his physical gifts.

Well said.

Archangel1775 · 05-25-2019, 11:19 PM

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Let’s not overreact. Raptors had a great game plan with right personnel for it.

Yup, three first team all defensive players will do that to you. Heck, I'm pretty sure Gasol, Ibaka and Leonard were ADPOY....throw in the young bucks and he was stifled.

GSWSFGSF49 · 05-25-2019, 11:22 PM

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Yup, three first team all defensive players will do that to you. Heck, I'm pretty sure Gasol, Ibaka and Leonard were ADPOY....throw in the young bucks and he was stifled.

It’s a tough matchup with great game planning by Nurse. And Giannis doesn’t have the passing yet to deal with the pressure put on him. He plays out of control sometimes when he is forcing it. I think this finals will be a better matchup that that Raps won this though

rawkstar2k · 05-25-2019, 11:22 PM

Does this sound like Giannis ceiling (copied from wikipedia)? Guess who it is:

8× NBA All-Star
5× All-NBA First Team
All-NBA Second Team
2× All-NBA Third Team
3× NBA Defensive Player of the Year
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team
NBA All-Defensive Second Team
NBA All-Rookie First Team
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
5× NBA rebounding leader
2× NBA blocks leader

Dwight Howard?

ninjacookies · 05-25-2019, 11:25 PM

His ceiling until he develops a consistent midrange and free throw shot is exactly what we saw in this series.

A physical freak who can impose his will for majority of the regular season and postseason until he runs into the best of the best. Nothing wrong with that, but it pumps the breaks a bit on him being the next coming of Jesus.

Number 2 proved that he's still the best player in the East despite not winning regular season awards.

mrchipz · 05-25-2019, 11:29 PM

As one of the biggest Giannis collectors since 2014 i believe his ceiling has been surpassed already. From a card value standpoint i dont think we ever see these prices again.

Ferg1945 · 05-26-2019, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rawkstar2k

Does this sound like Giannis ceiling (copied from wikipedia)? Guess who it is:

8× NBA All-Star
5× All-NBA First Team
All-NBA Second Team
2× All-NBA Third Team
3× NBA Defensive Player of the Year
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team
NBA All-Defensive Second Team
~~NBA All-Rookie First Team~~
~~NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion~~
~~5× NBA rebounding leader~~
~~2× NBA blocks leader~~

Dwight Howard?

The first 7 are possible.... the last 4... not a chance.

He might be lucky to win the MVP this season.... but he is one and done.

This team will look far different heading into next season. This was his ONE shot.... he blew it.

Sell before others realize it.

FBGuy13 · 05-26-2019, 12:13 AM

This is what I love about the sports card market. When everyone is reacting one way, most times it is best to "fade the public" and go the other way. Giannis has alot of room yet to see his ceiling. While I wanted the Bucks to continue, I love what Giannis future holds. I hope most people keep thinking he has peaked. I am excited to pickup alot of stuff now that they are done playing.

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ljandkg Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,428	Where is Giannis's ceiling? Giannis shot 44% in the conf finals, 33% from 3, and 54% from the line against the stellar front court of 34 year old Marc Gasol and Pascal Siakam? He has a worse mid range touch than ME , those aren't initials - I mean me, and stopped attacking the basket because he shot 17-36 from the line his last 4 games. I'm not sure about this guy's ceiling. He is a generational talent as an athlete, but every athlete loses their bounce. Once that's gone, he has no jumper to fall back on, like say a Kobe, KG or a Malone. He is of course only 24 so there is time but as I said, his shooting touch is absolutely horrific. When it comes to playoffs, defences work you out. The Raptors took two games to work out how to shut him down. __________________ Garnett jersey #'d count - 424 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152215151@N02/albums/72157685722278255 'KG is a mercenary and Eric Williams was a better Celtic.' - someone on Blowout Last edited by ljandkg; 05-25-2019 at 10:52 PM.

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GSWSFGSF49 Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 825	Let’s not overreact. Raptors had a great game plan with right personnel for it. Giannis is young and improving every year, his 3 has come along which will help, he is a menace down low. He needs to improve his playmaking to open things up right now he is pretty predictable, but in some ways that’s because the bucks offense isn’t much movement. It’s option 1: Giannis drive. Option 2: if nothing is there he throws it out after his spin move. His play will evolve and they will continue to build around him. His ceiling is one of the best to play the game. When I look at his improvement, I can seem him continuing to develop a jump shot, the effort and drive is there the skill is there, the guy has put in extreme work his whole career and I don’t see that stopping anytime soon. Last edited by GSWSFGSF49; 05-25-2019 at 11:10 PM.

05-25-2019, 10:56 PM	#7
escapegoat Banned - PBM Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: WA State Posts: 4,744	his ceiling is the roof

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pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,856	I think Andrew Bynum is a good comparison.

05-25-2019, 11:12 PM	#16
Giantrobot Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 4,845	Giannis is a hardworking athlete with tremendous physical gifts. He is not a natural basketball player with the shooting touch or special vision that the true greats display. He is more of a manufactured player that is being groomed to become something great based on his physical gifts.

05-25-2019, 11:22 PM	#21
rawkstar2k Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: California Posts: 987	Does this sound like Giannis ceiling (copied from wikipedia)? Guess who it is: 8× NBA All-Star 5× All-NBA First Team All-NBA Second Team 2× All-NBA Third Team 3× NBA Defensive Player of the Year 4× NBA All-Defensive First Team NBA All-Defensive Second Team NBA All-Rookie First Team NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion 5× NBA rebounding leader 2× NBA blocks leader Dwight Howard? __________________ Looking to buy high end Julio Jones

05-25-2019, 11:25 PM	#22
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,342	His ceiling until he develops a consistent midrange and free throw shot is exactly what we saw in this series. A physical freak who can impose his will for majority of the regular season and postseason until he runs into the best of the best. Nothing wrong with that, but it pumps the breaks a bit on him being the next coming of Jesus. Number 2 proved that he's still the best player in the East despite not winning regular season awards.

05-25-2019, 11:29 PM	#23
mrchipz Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,809	As one of the biggest Giannis collectors since 2014 i believe his ceiling has been surpassed already. From a card value standpoint i dont think we ever see these prices again.

05-26-2019, 12:13 AM	#25
FBGuy13 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,403 firesportsinvestments	This is what I love about the sports card market. When everyone is reacting one way, most times it is best to "fade the public" and go the other way. Giannis has alot of room yet to see his ceiling. While I wanted the Bucks to continue, I love what Giannis future holds. I hope most people keep thinking he has peaked. I am excited to pickup alot of stuff now that they are done playing.