Seeking advice on a very rare 1993 Football release

[BreakingBench]

You all know that in 1993 McDonalds had these NFL Gameday sheet in every store throughout the country that were perforated and the cards could be separated into singles. I was the largest seller of these sheets at the time, and when the promotion was over I got a call from my contact at NFL properties and he told me about some non-perforated test/samples/demo/whatever-they-were-called sheets that were produced before the company decided to change the design so that kids could tear the cards from the sheet. I ended up buying everything he had, which was around 50 of each team + the All Stars, and have held on to nearly everything for the past 26 years.

I think it's time to finally sell them but I've been out of sports cards for a while now and not really in touch with current values. Biggest problem I can see is that very few people even know these exist. It's a rare item that no one knows about, and anyone who bought one from me in the 90's isn't selling theirs. I sold a few sets on ebay around 20 years ago but not since, and I can't find any info searching Google. In the late 90's I was getting between $15 & $30 a team. Wondering if anyone had thoughts as to what I should price these at today since many of these players are HOF legends? I also don't think Auctions will work for this product.

I've attached some example images. Again, these are NOT the sheets you got at McDonalds. They are non-perforated (solid sheets) that were never released to the public. Any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

[3124508 on COMC]

If there is absolutely no difference in the actual printing of the sheet, I really don’t see much of a demand for these. I would sell them for $15-$30 a sheet in a heartbeat, but I think you would have to be very lucky to get that.

If there are printing differences, that could changes things a bit. However, if it’s just a normal sheet that is not perforated, I don’t know what the draw is going to be.

[BreakingBench]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

If there is absolutely no difference in the actual printing of the sheet, I really don’t see much of a demand for these. I would sell them for $15-$30 a sheet in a heartbeat, but I think you would have to be very lucky to get that.

If there are printing differences, that could changes things a bit. However, if it’s just a normal sheet that is not perforated, I don’t know what the draw is going to be.

Thanks for your response. Isn't that really the same with all variations though? Exact same item only one has gloss, foil number, etc. and there are very few of them compared to the main item.

[jfibert80]

I'd be interested in the Chiefs sheets. If selling let me know.

[mjohnatgt]

If you really want to increase the value of your groupings, here is how you would do it:
1) Get the set cataloged by a checklisting book (standard catalog still updating?)
2) Look for the PSA registries of those superstar HOFs you're talking about.
3) Submit one of each to PSA for their new supersized holder, if they fit.
4) Request the sheet to be added to their Set Registry.
5) Sell the rest at that point.

It would take a while, and it doesn't have that great a possibility of succeeding, but since you've held them so long, it shouldn't hurt.

[brendanb438]

I don't see these easily selling either in this day and age. $15 to $30 a team would be doing well in 2019 I think since there is zero demand for these and they really are nothing but a back doored product.

Best quick option is to toss up buy it now listings on eBay, give a good description on what they are and hope for the best.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by BreakingBench

Thanks for your response. Isn't that really the same with all variations though? Exact same item only one has gloss, foil number, etc. and there are very few of them compared to the main item.

It’s effectively an uncut sheet of an undesirable 90s set. It’s a novelty, and unfortunately the novelty of uncut sheets is to display them. These are really too small to do that.

[ldsports]

I dont see a premium for these and in todays market, a few dollars each would be what they bring. That is true most all collectibles from that time period

[marinocollector]

Lol. As an owner of the entire set since 1993... I can guarantee none of these were getting $15 per team set. That would make it a $400 item for the entire set. At its max value this was a $150 item.
I can imagine people paying premiums for them, but not more than 3-4 times.

[altaeria]

List them on eBay with emphasis on the most recognizable player(s) per sheet. You may flush out player collectors. Maybe try Buy-it-now with Best offer option.

[ginge01]

Originally Posted by BreakingBench

You all know that in 1993 McDonalds had these NFL Gameday sheet in every store throughout the country that were perforated and the cards could be separated into singles. I was the largest seller of these sheets at the time, and when the promotion was over I got a call from my contact at NFL properties and he told me about some non-perforated test/samples/demo/whatever-they-were-called sheets that were produced before the company decided to change the design so that kids could tear the cards from the sheet. I ended up buying everything he had, which was around 50 of each team + the All Stars, and have held on to nearly everything for the past 26 years.

I think it's time to finally sell them but I've been out of sports cards for a while now and not really in touch with current values. Biggest problem I can see is that very few people even know these exist. It's a rare item that no one knows about, and anyone who bought one from me in the 90's isn't selling theirs. I sold a few sets on ebay around 20 years ago but not since, and I can't find any info searching Google. In the late 90's I was getting between $15 & $30 a team. Wondering if anyone had thoughts as to what I should price these at today since many of these players are HOF legends? I also don't think Auctions will work for this product.

I've attached some example images. Again, these are NOT the sheets you got at McDonalds. They are non-perforated (solid sheets) that were never released to the public. Any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

I bought the perforated sheets about 20 years ago and was surprised to see the non perforated appear on eBay some time about 20 years ago, probably from you. I've collected Jets regionals / oddballs through the years, the non perforated is a variation that appeals to me. You may find other people like me, who will pay $15-30 for the set of three sheets. I just checked mine, they were obviously immaculately packaged as the sheets are undamaged in individual 8x10 plastic sleeves. The difficulty for you selling is apart from the stars / HOF players, a lot of young collectors don't recognize the names. the Jets improved the 1993 team with Ronnie Lott, Leonard Marshall and Boomer Esiason, famous for their years with the 49ers, Giants and Bengals, the other players are people who are pretty much unknown today unless you like the history of the Jets or your own team. These might have sold better if you listed them a month ago as a unique Father's Day gift, to be framed. Good luck with your sales.

[BreakingBench]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Lol. As an owner of the entire set since 1993... I can guarantee none of these were getting $15 per team set. That would make it a $400 item for the entire set. At its max value this was a $150 item.
I can imagine people paying premiums for them, but not more than 3-4 times.

Thanks for your reply. You have an entire set of the non-perforated variation? I've never seen anyone else but me have these for sale and I don't think I've sold a single team for at least 15+ years. Also don't remember ever selling an entire set. Are you sure that you're not referring to the perforated sheets that were given away at McDonalds and are all over ebay?

[brendanb438]

Originally Posted by BreakingBench

Thanks for your reply. You have an entire set of the non-perforated variation? I've never seen anyone else but me have these for sale and I don't think I've sold a single team for at least 15+ years. Also don't remember ever selling an entire set. Are you sure that you're not referring to the perforated sheets that were given away at McDonalds and are all over ebay?

Perforated or not you are not sitting on a goldmine if that is what you are hoping for. You will have trouble moving these period.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by BreakingBench

Thanks for your reply. You have an entire set of the non-perforated variation? I've never seen anyone else but me have these for sale and I don't think I've sold a single team for at least 15+ years. Also don't remember ever selling an entire set. Are you sure that you're not referring to the perforated sheets that were given away at McDonalds and are all over ebay?

i have seen them as well. will have to check to see if i have any or not. but as a big haley collector, i have seen many odd things over the years. these are just one of them.

[asujbl]

Sell them for lots

Because I’ve got tons of those in my basement collecting dust

And yes mine aren’t from McDonald’s. I read the post.

[Dallas Cowboys]

Since 2011 I have been focused on getting one of every Dallas Cowboy card from 1960-1996. For me this generally means every actual variation, parallel, food, regional and oddball cards. This doesn't mean printing errors, uncut sheets and back door stuff usually. I already have the Cowboy perforated versions of those which are a dime a dozen. If you mailed me a set would I put it in my collection? Sure. Would I buy them from you. Probably not. Especially not in the $15 tp $30 range.
There are actually 1992 Gameday (non McDonalds) promo sheets that are much rarer. These are listed in Beckett. There are two of these sheets with Joe Montana on them on Ebay right now(https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-NFL-GA...OSwLVZVhXYi).I own a 1993 Gameday promo sheet with Jay Novacek on it. Again non McDonalds. I've only seen one. Supposedly a 1992 Promo sheet similar to the above Montana exists with Troy Aikman but I've never seen it. If you had that sheet I would pay top dollar for it.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by Dallas Cowboys

Since 2011 I have been focused on getting one of every Dallas Cowboy card from 1960-1996. For me this generally means every actual variation, parallel, food, regional and oddball cards. This doesn't mean printing errors, uncut sheets and back door stuff usually. I already have the Cowboy perforated versions of those which are a dime a dozen. If you mailed me a set would I put it in my collection? Sure. Would I buy them from you. Probably not. Especially not in the $15 tp $30 range.
There are actually 1992 Gameday (non McDonalds) promo sheets that are much rarer. These are listed in Beckett. There are two of these sheets with Joe Montana on them on Ebay right now(https://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-NFL-GA...OSwLVZVhXYi).I own a 1993 Gameday promo sheet with Jay Novacek on it. Again non McDonalds. I've only seen one. Supposedly a 1992 Promo sheet similar to the above Montana exists with Troy Aikman but I've never seen it. If you had that sheet I would pay top dollar for it.

this, these fall into one (or both) of these categories. while they may be "rare," there also is probably not a big demand for them.

rare does not equal valuable, demand does.

[quorthon13]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Lol. As an owner of the entire set since 1993... I can guarantee none of these were getting $15 per team set. That would make it a $400 item for the entire set. At its max value this was a $150 item.
I can imagine people paying premiums for them, but not more than 3-4 times.

I'll agree with this - very few people collect oversize cards.

I have about 5 complete sets of the perforated versions(some teams I have many more)..... and they were literally a throw in on another deal, as in the guy didn't charge me for them... Because almost no one buys these and he was tired of looking at them.

Best bet is team/player PC completists, but even then, as others have posted, if there is no printing difference, many will pass at $15.

Other option is find a dealer who is will to sell these slowly over the next few years and just sell them as a lot to that person. Cause most of these will sit for awhile on ebay.

[RustyDawg37]

put them on ebay $30 BIN OBO. FWIW I dont think todays collectors would be interested at all. I would be interested in the Browns, but not at $15-$30.

[Grid]

The non-perforated sheets were given out a major card shows, stuck in a bag with copies of Tuff Stuff and insert cut-outs in magazines like "Legends". These no perfs were also put into Sunday news papers, I remember dropping a buck for one and stuffing that copy full of sheets from the other ones at my local Walgreens. I was still a kid, I didnt even think about the scam I was pulling.

I think someone spun you a story about you buying out the global supply of these. There were tens of thousands, if not more, McD uncut sheets. And if you were the top seller of these, you would have known that.

I do not think they had the McDonalds logo, but I could be wrong.

I see the Bears, uncut no perfs at local shows all the time for $1.00 a sheet and no takers. Kruk Cards has a ton of these they blow out for the same buck a sheet and they are always just sitting there.

People are not looking for junk 90s stuff any more.

Here is Kruk selling the entire set, 27 teams and the all stars, and no one is flinching at $25.99 for the lot.

You can tell they are not perforated, the scans are good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-McDona...QAAOSwW8Ra~BRF

A buck a sheet at a flea market if you are lucky. I've bought entire 3' X 5' sheets of mid 90's, actual card sets, for $5 before. Sorry to say, you wont be getting rich here. And if you go through the auctions of uncut sheets, there are hundreds of them, you will see a lot more just like yours

[Grid]

For comparison, here is Kruk also selling the perfs, by the case (these were never rare) and you can see the perforations. Unlike the link I have above, where you can tell they are the glossy uncuts likes yours

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-McDona...EAAOSw0G9bq5cF

[BlowoutBuzz]

Supply and demand. Put a set of them on eBay and let it ride -- then you'll know if there's interest.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

Supply and demand. Put a set of them on eBay and let it ride -- then you'll know if there's interest.

There are sets on Ebay and they are not selling. Even at a buck a set.

The shipping costs more than these cards are worth

[BreakingBench]

Originally Posted by Grid

The non-perforated sheets were given out a major card shows, stuck in a bag with copies of Tuff Stuff and insert cut-outs in magazines like "Legends". These no perfs were also put into Sunday news papers, I remember dropping a buck for one and stuffing that copy full of sheets from the other ones at my local Walgreens. I was still a kid, I didnt even think about the scam I was pulling.

I think someone spun you a story about you buying out the global supply of these. There were tens of thousands, if not more, McD uncut sheets. And if you were the top seller of these, you would have known that.

I do not think they had the McDonalds logo, but I could be wrong.

I see the Bears, uncut no perfs at local shows all the time for $1.00 a sheet and no takers. Kruk Cards has a ton of these they blow out for the same buck a sheet and they are always just sitting there.

People are not looking for junk 90s stuff any more.

Here is Kruk selling the entire set, 27 teams and the all stars, and no one is flinching at $25.99 for the lot.

You can tell they are not perforated, the scans are good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-McDona...QAAOSwW8Ra~BRF

A buck a sheet at a flea market if you are lucky. I've bought entire 3' X 5' sheets of mid 90's, actual card sets, for $5 before. Sorry to say, you wont be getting rich here. And if you go through the auctions of uncut sheets, there are hundreds of them, you will see a lot more just like yours

Thanks for your reply. I was heavily invested into this product from the start and there was no one even remotely close doing the kind of numbers I was doing. I had 2 employees on the phone daily with McDonalds stores around the country buying up their local team cases and shipping them to me. I traveled the country doing all the major shows at that time, was on SportsNet running buy ads (SportsNet was the online dealer network pre internet days), Prodidy, AOL, ran full page ads in SCD, advertised in Tuff Stuff, and owned a retail baseball card store in 1994. At the National in 1994 & 1995 as well as the NFL Experience Super Bowl shows I had an entire booth with nothing but this product being sold.

Had this variation been mass distributed, dealers around the country would have been selling them to me. Had they of been handed out at major shows I would have had people selling them to me at my table, plus I would have paid off the kid handing them out at the show and just bought them all (very common at that time). I was also heavily involved in ebay from the start and developed the first online management tools for their site (AuctionHelper). Up until 2001 many of the major card dealers (Dave & Adam, Kruk, Mark Murphy, NFL Auctions, etc. - Topps still uses it to this day) were using my software to sell on ebay, plus I've periodically scanned ebay over the decades to see if anymore ever surfaced. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the non-perf sheets were never sold, given away as promotions, inserted into magazines, or in anyway distributed to the public.

The Kruk listing you found is a great find and I would love to know if you could fine more just like it. I called Kruk to see if they had more and they do not. It's more than likely that they got that set in a purchase from someone who got it from me back in the day and they just don't know what it is. Because why would they since no one knows or would care about the variation except a player or team collector from that era.

I do see what some of you are saying about modern collectors being a different breed and appreciate all the feedback.

[rebbrooks]

There is a lot of listings with the unperforated sheets.