Rookie card re-issued as a buyback auto...still a RC?

towerymt · 07-19-2019, 10:14 AM

I just missed this on ebay, but was thinking....is this considered a rookie card since it is the 2018 Topps Update...or not, because it was issued in 2019?

If you collect all rookie cards of one player, do you chase these too?

gobullz1 · 07-19-2019, 10:18 AM

To me it is

auburn35 · 07-19-2019, 10:23 AM

Yes, I do

LCM1223 · 07-19-2019, 10:28 AM

Wow that card is amazing

hermanotarjeta · 07-19-2019, 10:58 AM

The card unaltered is a rookie card.

The fact that the card was stamped aftermarket as a 1/1 or whatever and is autographed, altering it’s original form and given the fact that it was pulled out of a 2019 product does not make it a true rookie card, ie, if I was a player collector I wouldn’t view it as a rookie year issue but more of as a buyback insert.

KurtisCards · 07-19-2019, 11:00 AM

its a rookie to me, im open to all forms of the rookie card. "True Rookies" are ebay terms haha

glen87 · 07-19-2019, 11:00 AM

to me the stamp makes it not a "true" rookie card anymore

LVDan · 07-19-2019, 11:04 AM

I would use the COMC term "rookie related" but maybe not "rookie year" if that makes any sense. Was issued in 2019 packs so probably not in the strictest terms. Doesn't really matter though as this is a perfect example of the old "buy what you like" credo and as an added bonus I think the value would essentially rise or fall with his RCs.

hermanotarjeta · 07-19-2019, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glen87

to me the stamp makes it not a "true" rookie card anymore

Precisely. If you pull a 1968 topps Vada Pinson 50th anniversary buyback out of a 2017 topps heritage buyback topper, sure the lipstick on the pig still makes it a pig, but no set builder would consider it an original issue, cause it has been altered from its original form.

Lonewolf · 07-19-2019, 11:08 AM

Whatever it is, I'd rather have that card than his regular plain old rc...

hermanotarjeta · 07-19-2019, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Whatever it is, I'd rather have that card than his regular plain old rc...

No one saying it’s worthless - it’s still a very desirable card, but not an original rookie card.

no10pin · 07-19-2019, 11:10 AM

It's a very cool card. It's also a 2019 autograph.

Nutcracker33 · 07-19-2019, 11:19 AM

it comes down to if the term "true rookie cards" means anything to you

me personally, I wouldn't, cause I have a hockey card collecting background, and true rookie is like THE thing over there.

but one thing we can ALL agree, thats a sweet card and will fetch a nice penny

Tim · 07-19-2019, 11:22 AM

This is a tough one for me. If you took that card to a game in 2019 and asked Juan to sign it, and he did, it's still a rookie card though.

The stamp from 2019 archives is the issue here.

mlbfan10 · 07-19-2019, 11:28 AM

Awesome card, now I want to see Acuna!

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Peties Army · 07-19-2019, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glen87

to me the stamp makes it not a "true" rookie card anymore

This.

It isn’t a rookie

cardinalsooner · 07-19-2019, 11:35 AM

That is a 2019 Juan Soto card.

Peties Army · 07-19-2019, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

No one saying it’s worthless - it’s still a very desirable card, but not an original rookie card.

This.

It’s an awesome card

Cactuspies · 07-19-2019, 11:41 AM

I just remember in a beckett article many many many moons ago, there was so much against getting a rookie card signed since it would devalue/deface the card!

How far we have come

that's a sexy soto fwiw, no idea how I'd classify it to be honest

if upper deck can still put out ben simmons rookies in 2019, then who knows

pewe · 07-19-2019, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by towerymt

I just missed this on ebay, but was thinking....is this considered a rookie card since it is the 2018 Topps Update...or not, because it was issued in 2019?

If you collect all rookie cards of one player, do you chase these too?

Makes me also think about Transcendent VIP cards like this... they seem to have a 1/1 every year of the same card... hilariously...

This is the 2018 one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Topps-...UAAOSwaRRckENb

This is the 2017 one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...YAAOSwPRdc8btG

Wrathofmarcos · 07-19-2019, 11:54 AM

It was mine, and it was sweet. Very nice in hand. I want to see the Acuna too, but I don’t know if he is in this years checklist as nothing has hit eBay yet (that I’ve seen at least).

Ultimately I’m a Mets fan, so this card doesn’t mean much to me. Next year when there’s a Pete Alonso Series 2 RC buyback auto, I’m chasing it without a doubt.

psd2k10 · 07-19-2019, 11:55 AM

in a nut shell, absolutely not. the stamp ruins it.

Yaga · 07-19-2019, 12:06 PM

It's a cool card but it's a 2019 issued card so not a RC in my opinion

nmordowitz · 07-19-2019, 12:10 PM

This is like discussing buyback autos from bowman - the ken griffey jr buyback stamped auto - buyback implies it is a RC but altered and signed
Everyone may have their own decision on PC or not PC if collecting rookie cards - but it is unique and a beautiful card nonetheless.

REGGIE206 · 07-19-2019, 12:13 PM

To me, the actual card is a rookie card, but the auto is a 2019 autograph.

View Poll Results: Do you consider this a rookie card?
Yes...that's his RC printed in 2018.	76	39.18%
No...issued in 2019, so not a RC.	118	60.82%
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07-19-2019, 10:23 AM	#3
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,449	Yes, I do __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

07-19-2019, 10:28 AM	#4
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07-19-2019, 11:00 AM	#6
KurtisCards Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Nebraska Posts: 576 kurtiscards510	its a rookie to me, im open to all forms of the rookie card. "True Rookies" are ebay terms haha __________________ PC:Giants, Buster Posey, 1st Bowmans/Rookie Cards Cubs_rock21 "Bichette will be a stud, if you think differently ill punch you in the dick"

07-19-2019, 11:00 AM	#7
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 74,621 glen87 glen87	to me the stamp makes it not a "true" rookie card anymore __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

07-19-2019, 10:18 AM	#2
gobullz1 Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,079 gostevenjackson!	To me it is

07-19-2019, 10:58 AM	#5
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 23,426	The card unaltered is a rookie card. The fact that the card was stamped aftermarket as a 1/1 or whatever and is autographed, altering it’s original form and given the fact that it was pulled out of a 2019 product does not make it a true rookie card, ie, if I was a player collector I wouldn’t view it as a rookie year issue but more of as a buyback insert.

07-19-2019, 11:04 AM	#8
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,759	I would use the COMC term "rookie related" but maybe not "rookie year" if that makes any sense. Was issued in 2019 packs so probably not in the strictest terms. Doesn't really matter though as this is a perfect example of the old "buy what you like" credo and as an added bonus I think the value would essentially rise or fall with his RCs.

07-19-2019, 11:08 AM	#10
Lonewolf Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: California Posts: 4,511	Whatever it is, I'd rather have that card than his regular plain old rc... __________________ Apparently, Money and Computers *CAN* Buy Championships, LOL

07-19-2019, 11:10 AM	#12
no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,970 no10pin no10pin	It's a very cool card. It's also a 2019 autograph. __________________ Always looking for more George Brett stuff. Need more rookies, low numbered inserts/parallels and on-card autos (no Panini).

07-19-2019, 11:19 AM	#13
Nutcracker33 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: HK Posts: 2,212 nutcracker33_cards nutcracker33	it comes down to if the term "true rookie cards" means anything to you me personally, I wouldn't, cause I have a hockey card collecting background, and true rookie is like THE thing over there. but one thing we can ALL agree, thats a sweet card and will fetch a nice penny

07-19-2019, 11:22 AM	#14
Tim Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,874	This is a tough one for me. If you took that card to a game in 2019 and asked Juan to sign it, and he did, it's still a rookie card though. The stamp from 2019 archives is the issue here.

07-19-2019, 11:28 AM	#15
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07-19-2019, 11:35 AM	#17
cardinalsooner Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 826	That is a 2019 Juan Soto card.

07-19-2019, 11:41 AM	#19
Cactuspies Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: meepos Posts: 9,873 azcentral_sports	I just remember in a beckett article many many many moons ago, there was so much against getting a rookie card signed since it would devalue/deface the card! How far we have come that's a sexy soto fwiw, no idea how I'd classify it to be honest if upper deck can still put out ben simmons rookies in 2019, then who knows __________________ SUPPORT #BostonStrong The One Fund & Parkinson's Research http://sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=AzPats10 RIP Mom-2009, Dad-2021, Grandma-2018, PAPAJIM 11/22/10 Patriots 6 time Champs catching up to johnmabry47: are you on my ignore list too? 76 and counting

07-19-2019, 11:54 AM	#21
Wrathofmarcos Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Orange County, New York Posts: 545	It was mine, and it was sweet. Very nice in hand. I want to see the Acuna too, but I don’t know if he is in this years checklist as nothing has hit eBay yet (that I’ve seen at least). Ultimately I’m a Mets fan, so this card doesn’t mean much to me. Next year when there’s a Pete Alonso Series 2 RC buyback auto, I’m chasing it without a doubt.

07-19-2019, 11:55 AM	#22
psd2k10 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,457	in a nut shell, absolutely not. the stamp ruins it.

07-19-2019, 12:06 PM	#23
Yaga Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 7,525	It's a cool card but it's a 2019 issued card so not a RC in my opinion

07-19-2019, 12:10 PM	#24
nmordowitz Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: NY Posts: 2,753 n1mor28ao nmordowitz	This is like discussing buyback autos from bowman - the ken griffey jr buyback stamped auto - buyback implies it is a RC but altered and signed Everyone may have their own decision on PC or not PC if collecting rookie cards - but it is unique and a beautiful card nonetheless.

07-19-2019, 12:13 PM	#25
REGGIE206 Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mukilteo, WA (hometown: Vallejo, CA) Posts: 9,833	To me, the actual card is a rookie card, but the auto is a 2019 autograph. __________________ INSTAGRAM: my_card_collection 📸