Rumblings of no Zion autos this year from Panini or Upper Deck?

[RogerGodahell]

There are rumblings of no Zion autos this year due to an ongoing lawsuit.

This is being discussed in another thread https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1309879

But i think this topic deserves a thread of it's own.

What would this mean for the basketball card market/community?

Discuss

[KnicksLife]

I can see the over production of Prizm Basketball go into super overdrive

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by KnicksLife

I can see the over production of Prizm Basketball go into super overdrive

Warp speed!

[KnicksLife]

Investor will start hoarding all the Silver Prizms and the prices will be higher than expected despite the production on super overdrive.

[dcarado]

Same as if he signed with UD. Prizm gonna be CRAZAYYY!!!!

A lot of people (myself included) would like to see this because the rookie auto is way over-saturated with all the crap Panini pumps out. It will really hurt NT though.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by dcarado

Same as if he signed with UD. Prizm gonna be CRAZAYYY!!!!

A lot of people (myself included) would like to see this because the rookie auto is way over-saturated with all the crap Panini pumps out. It will really hurt NT though.

What if he signs with neither?

[MyckKabongo]

PLOT TWIST: What if this happens and they SP silver prizm to 1/box like they did in Football last year.

[hockeyguyrich]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

PLOT TWIST: What if this happens and they SP silver prizm to 1/box like they did in Football last year.

Agreed Panini will make a ton of prizm and ssp the silvers

[KnicksLife]

Plot Twist #2; Zion signs with Leaf lol

[theleica]

I should premise this by saying this is purely speculation on my part but here is what I wrote in the other thread:

It was reported in the past few days that Prime Sports, the agency he hired then fired, put together a shoe deal for $100 million (Li-Ning.)

In the lawsuit that was filed, the agency claims they engaged in negotiations and/or discussions with such companies as Puma, Activision Publishing (Call of Duty video game); EA Sports (NBA Live); 2K Sports (NBA 2K); General Mills (Wheaties), Beats by Dre, Chase Bank, Harper Collins, Monster Hydro, Burger King, Mercedes Benz, T-Mobile, Kraft Heinz, Powerade (Coca-Cola) and Biosteel.

I would think the agency would have also engaged in negotiations with Panini and Upper Deck. If Zion signs either deal it could open himself to potentially losing the $100 million lawsuit and that is something his attorneys would never allow to happen. Another reason for signing with Jordan brand was most likely that Prime Sports never negotiated with them.

The interesting part to it is Zion (his attorneys, agents,etc) sued in North Carolina and Prime Sports sued in Florida so as of right now the cases are being litigated in 2 separate states. Instead of attempting mediation, Prime Sports went the most costly and riskiest route so this has the ability to turn into a complete mess for Zion if it already isn't.

To put things in perspective, it was announced that Ben Simmons signed with Upper Deck around June 24, 2016. It was announced that DeAndre Ayton signed with Panini around June 21, 2018.

So I think it's pretty safe to say those type of deals are signed around the last week of June right before or after the draft and negotiated weeks before that.

Zion got hit with the $100 mil lawsuit on June 19, 2019 so I'd figure that is why there has been no announcement.

I don't know what impact it has on Zion having autographs in future products but I'd think he wouldn't have any while this whole lawsuit is going on if Prime Sports was negotiating with Panini and Upper Deck.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by theleica

I should premise this by saying this is purely speculation on my part but here is what I wrote in the other thread:

It was reported in the past few days that Prime Sports, the agency he hired then fired, put together a shoe deal for $100 million (Li-Ning.)

In the lawsuit that was filed, the agency claims they engaged in negotiations and/or discussions with such companies as Puma, Activision Publishing (Call of Duty video game); EA Sports (NBA Live); 2K Sports (NBA 2K); General Mills (Wheaties), Beats by Dre, Chase Bank, Harper Collins, Monster Hydro, Burger King, Mercedes Benz, T-Mobile, Kraft Heinz, Powerade (Coca-Cola) and Biosteel.

I would think the agency would have also engaged in negotiations with Panini and Upper Deck. If Zion signs either deal it could open himself to potentially losing the $100 million lawsuit and that is something his attorneys would never allow to happen. Another reason for signing with Jordan brand was most likely that Prime Sports never negotiated with them.

The interesting part to it is Zion (his attorneys, agents,etc) sued in North Carolina and Prime Sports sued in Florida so as of right now the cases are being litigated in 2 separate states. Instead of attempting mediation, Prime Sports went the most costly and riskiest route so this has the ability to turn into a complete mess for Zion if it already isn't.

To put things in perspective, it was announced that Ben Simmons signed with Upper Deck around June 24, 2016. It was announced that DeAndre Ayton signed with Panini around June 21, 2018.

So I think it's pretty safe to say those type of deals are signed around the last week of June right before or after the draft and negotiated weeks before that.

Zion got hit with the $100 mil lawsuit on June 19, 2019 so I'd figure that is why there has been no announcement.

I don't know what impact it has on Zion having autographs in future products but I'd think he wouldn't have any while this whole lawsuit is going on if Prime Sports was negotiating with Panini and Upper Deck.

I think you're probably right and if Zion had signed with Panini or UD they'd be promoting the crap out of it.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

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I think you're probably right and if Zion had signed with Panini or UD they'd be promoting the crap out of it.

So here's the questions....

If Zion is unable to sign in the near term, but Panini thinks they can get him down the road, do they put redemptions for his auto's in higher end products?

Personally, I'd enjoy if he had no auto's in Prizm, but it would be a huge blow to NT, Immaculate, Flawless if he didn't have a sig.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

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I think you're probably right and if Zion had signed with Panini or UD they'd be promoting the crap out of it.

If there was a deal, National would have been the ideal place to announce it after no announcement in June.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So here's the questions....

If Zion is unable to sign in the near term, but Panini thinks they can get him down the road, do they put redemptions for his auto's in higher end products?

Personally, I'd enjoy if he had no auto's in Prizm, but it would be a huge blow to NT, Immaculate, Flawless if he didn't have a sig.

If they don't have a signed contract with Zion, the answer would have be no.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So here's the questions....

If Zion is unable to sign in the near term, but Panini thinks they can get him down the road, do they put redemptions for his auto's in higher end products?

Personally, I'd enjoy if he had no auto's in Prizm, but it would be a huge blow to NT, Immaculate, Flawless if he didn't have a sig.

I thought about that too but can they legally sell something they don't have? What if he doesn't sign with Panini, what if UD gets him?

Seems like it would be a risky mess on their part. Would piss a lot of people off too if they had a redemption that was worthless and Panini gave points or something for to try and make it up to them.

[stepsahead7]

Originally Posted by KnicksLife

Plot Twist #2; Zion signs with Leaf lol

Plot # 3.....how about no Zion cards PERIOD,,,,, No base, inserts or auto's.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by hockeyguyrich

Agreed Panini will make a ton of prizm and ssp the silvers

I seriously doubt it. It makes sense, which is exactly why they won’t do it!

[KnicksLife]

Originally Posted by stepsahead7

Plot # 3.....how about no Zion cards PERIOD,,,,, No base, inserts or auto's.

Too late.. Already happened. Zion Duke cards were in Silver and Gold(?) packs at Nationals. lol

[KnicksLife]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

PLOT TWIST: What if this happens and they SP silver prizm to 1/box like they did in Football last year.

If this is true, you will need to cut off your arm to just buy one.

[KSterner]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So here's the questions....

If Zion is unable to sign in the near term, but Panini thinks they can get him down the road, do they put redemptions for his auto's in higher end products?

Personally, I'd enjoy if he had no auto's in Prizm, but it would be a huge blow to NT, Immaculate, Flawless if he didn't have a sig.

I would think it would be illegal to sell something you dont have, but beyond that, what if he never signs with them? Imagine the nightmare that they would be dealing with for replacements.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So here's the questions....

If Zion is unable to sign in the near term, but Panini thinks they can get him down the road, do they put redemptions for his auto's in higher end products?

Personally, I'd enjoy if he had no auto's in Prizm, but it would be a huge blow to NT, Immaculate, Flawless if he didn't have a sig.

No way they can put redemptions in for an auto card of someone they don't have a contract with. If/when the dust settles he could hit them with a lawsuit or if he doesn't sign with Panini, the will be seeing a lawsuit from collectors.

If he is unable to sign for legal reasons, this was still a strong draft and in the long term, I don't' think it dramatically hurts products this year. However, if he is tied up in litigation, it will be interesting to see if he is able to sign at some point, how that changes the price dynamics of his cards.

[codered]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

PLOT TWIST: What if this happens and they SP silver prizm to 1/box like they did in Football last year.

Plot twist #1.5 - no base silvers in retail like on football!!! Zion silver prizms hit $1500-2000 and hobby boxes push $500-600

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by hockeyguyrich

Agreed Panini will make a ton of prizm and ssp the silvers

Originally Posted by mc1

I seriously doubt it. It makes sense, which is exactly why they won’t do it!

I kind of hope they do pump out the silvers in Prizm and keep the print run low for Optic holo's. Love me some Optic

[Tarheelsfan2012]

Originally Posted by codered

Plot twist #1.5 - no base silvers in retail like on football!!! Zion silver prizms hit $1500-2000 and hobby boxes push $500-600

I wish they would make silver prizms in retail SSSSP or take them out entirely.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by Tarheelsfan2012

I wish they would make silver prizms in retail SSSSP or take them out entirely.

They can't take them out completely because that's half the reason why silvers are so sought after. You can walk into Walmart or Target and buy them off the shelf. Retail would be complete garbage if that were no silvers. I think having a product that anyone can buy for a couple bucks a pack and pull a card that's worth several $$ is a huge driving factor for Prizm's popularity over the years. That's why Prizm is Prizm. It lures in frugal collectors and whales alike.