Not trolling. What if Zion busts?

[lesternatty]

What’s the worst bust you’ve ever seen in the Basketball card market? I’m not talking about the biggest bust in the NBA, but rather the greatest decrease in value a player has had within their first 1-3 years in the league. I primarily collect football cards, but I bought some Slam autographed Magazines when he was in high school as an investment. I’m pretty good at spotting busts/overhyped players, but Zion’s game is kind of hard to judge. I think we could possibly witness the worst investment in sports card history. With that being said I’ll still be buying some of his cards, but that’s straight gambling on my own behalf. I’m not trolling as I primarily buy to make money and I’ve done pretty well. I know this has probably been addressed already but I think it’s that important in you’re not PC’ing Zion. Prices will be very high.

[ninjacookies]

Biggest recent bust? Probably Oden. But not due to lack of talent, he just couldn't stay upright to save his life.

Wiggins probably second. But he's not even a flat out bust, just really underwhelmed in terms of the hype to realized potential going into his (5th?) year. There hasn't been any progression with him and he's not even a 2 way player.

Bennett doesn't count as a bust. I don't know who was hyping him or what the expectations were, but I legit didn't even hear about him until after he was drafted. Dead serious. That draft was the worst.


In terms of generational prospects, I don't think any of the recent ones in basketball have ever flat out fell on their face. Robinson, Shaq, Lebron all ended up being flat out beasts and HOFers.

Zion is so unique it's tough to say where he'll land. People force comparisons, but he's his own unique case study.

[lesternatty]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Biggest recent bust? Probably Oden. But not due to lack of talent, he just couldn't stay upright to save his life.

Wiggins probably second. But he's not even a flat out bust, just really underwhelmed in terms of the hype to realized potential going into his (5th?) year. There hasn't been any progression with him and he's not even a 2 way player.

Bennett doesn't count as a bust. I don't know who was hyping him or what the expectations were, but I legit didn't even hear about him until after he was drafted. Dead serious. That draft was the worst.


In terms of generational prospects, I don't think any of the recent ones in basketball have ever flat out fell on their face. Robinson, Shaq, Lebron all ended up being flat out beasts and HOFers.

Zion is so unique it's tough to say where he'll land. People force comparisons, but he's his own unique case study.

Yeah I remember Oden’s injury problems. Any idea what his rookie cards were valued at during his first season? Wiggins cards are still inflated IMO.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by lesternatty

Yeah I remember Oden’s injury problems. Any idea what his rookie cards were valued at during his first season?

Pretty crazy IIRC, but Durant was right up there with him because Centers really don't get as much hobby love as versatile forwards.

I guess we can add Bynum to the list. Again, couldn't stay upright and was also a huge mental case and really had no desire to actually be good...just get paid.


Ohhhh yeah. Adam Morrison. That was an odd one. I guess some people thought he could be the next Bird? That's all I can come up with off the top.

[SelfDestruct808]

Can you make a part 2 please

[lesternatty]

Originally Posted by SelfDestruct808

Can you make a part 2 please

Haha I don’t see a need for one yet. Maybe after his rookie season.

[drobfan8]

Evan Turner?

A lot of Wolves Rookies

[SHowley2003]

So this doesn’t answer the question in terms of a rookie who had such significant pre-career hobby hype, but I’ll reference “Lin-sanity”. Collectors who were more engaged in the hobby at that time can probably reference the height that prices hit and the absolute 99% loss in value they now hold. A player this hyped heading into his rookie year within the hobby that ends up being a complete bust would be unprecedented. Especially with the influx of “investor” money that is flooding in.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Evan Turner?

I wasn't really tracking the NBA back at that time, but were people really thinking he'd be the next big thing?

Ended up having a pretty long and productive career though. One of those guys that isn't good at anything but decent at everything..and has a pretty high IQ.



Can't believe I forgot Fultz. He's been that forgettable. Has enough time elapsed to safely label him a meteoric bust? (I feel Lonzo and Tatum had as much hype if not more though).

[ThoseBackPages]

i feel bad for Z

short of putting up 25/10 this year, he will be seen as a "bust"

[dmccards22]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Biggest recent bust? Probably Oden. But not due to lack of talent, he just couldn't stay upright to save his life.

Wiggins probably second. But he's not even a flat out bust, just really underwhelmed in terms of the hype to realized potential going into his (5th?) year. There hasn't been any progression with him and he's not even a 2 way player.

Bennett doesn't count as a bust. I don't know who was hyping him or what the expectations were, but I legit didn't even hear about him until after he was drafted. Dead serious. That draft was the worst.


In terms of generational prospects, I don't think any of the recent ones in basketball have ever flat out fell on their face. Robinson, Shaq, Lebron all ended up being flat out beasts and HOFers.

Zion is so unique it's tough to say where he'll land. People force comparisons, but he's his own unique case study.

Wiggins “underwhelming” is a HOT take. Wiggins has taken a backseat to KAT since KAT was a rookie. If wiggins was a on a team where he was the 1 he could average mid 20’s a game, hes shown that.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by dmccards22

Wiggins “underwhelming” is a HOT take. Wiggins has taken a backseat to KAT since KAT was a rookie. If wiggins was a on a team where he was the 1 he could average mid 20’s a game, hes shown that.

People were saying Jimmy was a huge roadblock in his progress. Jimmy left ---> Wiggins didn't progress. I watched enough of him from DFS to know that he gets lazy and lackadaisical on both ends of the floor for extended periods of time. He wants to be the alpha dog but doesn't play like one.

Remember, people were saying he's going to be a 2 way monster coming out of college. So far he's been an average scoring, one dimensional forward with very few peripherals. I think Lebron saw the warning signs.

Typically by year 3 or 4 we start to see what type of player we have on our hands. He's now heading into year 6. I'm almost 100 percent positive he's not going to be the generational top 10 league player his draft hype projected him to be.

Having Shaq did not deter Kobe from being Kobe. It could very well just be Wiggins is who he is. Solid with the occasional big scoring game...but really not that good. Rudy Gay +...maybe.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

People were saying Jimmy was a huge roadblock in his progress. Jimmy left ---> Wiggins didn't progress. I watched enough of him from DFS to know that he gets lazy and lackadaisical on both ends of the floor for extended periods of time. He wants to be the alpha dog but doesn't play like one.

Remember, people were saying he's going to be a 2 way monster coming out of college. So far he's been an average scoring, one dimensional forward with very few peripherals. I think Lebron saw the warning signs.

Typically by year 3 or 4 we start to see what type of player we have on our hands. He's now heading into year 6. I'm almost 100 percent positive he's not going to be the generational top 10 league player his draft hype projected him to be.

Having Shaq did not deter Kobe from being Kobe. It could very well just be Wiggins is who he is. Solid with the occasional big scoring game...but really not that good. Rudy Gay +...maybe.

I'm on the same page.

I'd buy the Wiggins taking a backseat to KAT argument if AW were getting more efficient, or winding up with more assists, or becoming a defensive force....

but none of that has happened.

Maybe it'll start to show this year, but I just haven't seen it yet.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm on the same page.

I'd buy the Wiggins taking a backseat to KAT argument if AW were getting more efficient, or winding up with more assists, or becoming a defensive force....

but none of that has happened.

Maybe it'll start to show this year, but I just haven't seen it yet.

Year 6 and he's done nothing but regress the past 2 years. Both Lavine and Towns have had better careers. Not only is he limited by his own lack of natural talent, but he's also got a pretty shoddy work ethic from what I've seen. If effort has to be coached into him, then God Bless.

[clipperboy24]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I wasn't really tracking the NBA back at that time, but were people really thinking he'd be the next big thing?

Ended up having a pretty long and productive career though. One of those guys that isn't good at anything but decent at everything..and has a pretty high IQ.



Can't believe I forgot Fultz. He's been that forgettable. Has enough time elapsed to safely label him a meteoric bust? (I feel Lonzo and Tatum had as much hype if not more though).

People had pretty high hopes for Evan Turner. Wesley Johnson was in that draft and a huge bust. Hasheem Thabeet and Johnny Flynn the year before. Thomas Robinson had a good amount of upside and he was out of the league so fast. Nerlens Noel and Ben mcclemore. Jimmer fredette had a good following and he was just a massive bust.

There have been plenty, but I agree that none were considered can’t miss prospects. Although Hasheem Thabeet had way too many supporters

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by clipperboy24

People had pretty high hopes for Evan Turner. Wesley Johnson was in that draft and a huge bust. Hasheem Thabeet and Johnny Flynn the year before. Thomas Robinson had a good amount of upside and he was out of the league so fast. Nerlens Noel and Ben mcclemore. Jimmer fredette had a good following and he was just a massive bust.

There have been plenty, but I agree that none were considered can’t miss prospects. Although Hasheem Thabeet had way too many supporters

Yikes, now you're starting to ring some bells. T-Rob had maybe a 10 game stretch where he was relatively known after pulling down some big time boards...then disappeared off the face of the earth. I think the Blazers picked him up thinking he could be something.

The Kings definitely had a pretty rough stretch there.

Noel...I sipped that summer league kool aid hard. Really thought he'd be pretty good since he was nimble and had a relatively soft touch around the hoop. Thabeet will always have a soft place in my heart just due to his name alone.

[rodmanmartinez]

I have. Feeling he will be a bust. Seems very injury prone, also his body frame reminds me of Anthony Bennett.


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[ichirorox]

Lonzo Ball?

[dmccards22]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

People were saying Jimmy was a huge roadblock in his progress. Jimmy left ---> Wiggins didn't progress. I watched enough of him from DFS to know that he gets lazy and lackadaisical on both ends of the floor for extended periods of time. He wants to be the alpha dog but doesn't play like one.

Remember, people were saying he's going to be a 2 way monster coming out of college. So far he's been an average scoring, one dimensional forward with very few peripherals. I think Lebron saw the warning signs.

Typically by year 3 or 4 we start to see what type of player we have on our hands. He's now heading into year 6. I'm almost 100 percent positive he's not going to be the generational top 10 league player his draft hype projected him to be.

Having Shaq did not deter Kobe from being Kobe. It could very well just be Wiggins is who he is. Solid with the occasional big scoring game...but really not that good. Rudy Gay +...maybe.

And by year 3 Wiggins was scoring 23.6 PPG. Each of the first 3 years hes progressed. Having Kriss Dunn and Jeff Teague running Point dont help either. Everyone has make their hype about a player year in and year out, thats never gonna change. And to say that Bron saw the signs is a horrible take. Looking at it Cleveland lost that trade, Wiggins was scoring more than Love when Wiggins was a Rookie, and is Currently playing better. HORRIBLE TAKE

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by dmccards22

And by year 3 Wiggins was scoring 23.6 PPG. Each of the first 3 years hes progressed. Having Kriss Dunn and Jeff Teague running Point dont help either. Everyone has make their hype about a player year in and year out, thats never gonna change. And to say that Bron saw the signs is a horrible take. Looking at it Cleveland lost that trade, Wiggins was scoring more than Love when Wiggins was a Rookie, and is Currently playing better. HORRIBLE TAKE

This is your homerism speaking.

Just saying that wiggins 'scored' more than Love that year means absolutely zero. Love was the far superior player, more versatile, and gave that team the added grit they needed to win in the playoffs.

So far it's just a bunch of excuses why Wiggins hasn't reached his potential. When in actuality, he's not getting those opportunities because the coaching staff knows he's not 'the guy.'


18ppg on 12 PER efficiency? Please. He may as well just change his name to John Doe because that's where he's at amongst a sea of NBA talent.

He's more Harrison Barnes than he'll ever be a Kobe/Tmac. I'll stick by those words.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

This is your homerism speaking.

Just saying that wiggins 'scored' more than Love that year means absolutely zero. Love was the far superior player, more versatile, and gave that team the added grit they needed to win in the playoffs.

So far it's just a bunch of excuses why Wiggins hasn't reached his potential. When in actuality, he's not getting those opportunities because the coaching staff knows he's not 'the guy.'


18ppg on 12 PER efficiency? Please. He may as well just change his name to John Doe because that's where he's at amongst a sea of NBA talent.

He's more Harrison Barnes than he'll ever be a Kobe/Tmac. I'll stick by those words.

Well, Harrison Barnes has a Gold Medal and an NBA Title. Tmac had a nice adidas shoe

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Well, Harrison Barnes has a Gold Medal and an NBA Title.

Maybe Wiggins'll join up as the 5th wheel on a dynasty and get that default championship later on in his career too. I respect the hustle.

[1dayshow]

MCW comes to mind.

[NinjaJohnny]

Darko?

[Mrpokey]

Derrick Rose???