Football "Flagship" Product?

Slamtojackson · 09-16-2019, 08:59 PM

Hello,

I did some searches for the answer to this and I'm sure it is there but I've missed it. I've recently begun buying baseball packs and want to try some football. I know Topps flagship is the... "flagship" of the modern baseball card hobby with regard to true rookies etc. Could someone help me with the football equivalent? What is the "standard" product? I really appreciate any guidance.

taylor5877 · 09-16-2019, 09:08 PM

As far as “base” level like Topps is, probably Donruss or Score...which just sounds weird to me to speak of Donruss as a FB card brand.

Optic and Prizm are comparable to your chrome cards and are obvious the more sought after products for “base” rookies.

I assumed the question was which set was comparable to “base” Topps.

JeremyNick · 09-16-2019, 09:12 PM

There isn’t a flagship in regard to true RC. However Optic, Prizm and Contenders autos are good rookie cards to collect.

GoHawks25 · 09-16-2019, 09:12 PM

I disagree on Score... It’s Prizm/Optic for base rookie’s/refractor rookies. For rookie autos it’s Contenders, National Treasures RPA or Optic rookie autos. Donruss is good, but Optic is better. It’s like Topps vs Topps chrome or Bowman vs Bowman Chrome in baseball. I wouldn’t touch score personally.

Slamtojackson · 09-16-2019, 09:18 PM

Wow. Ok. Thanks! It seem the water is a bit muddier in the football world. I just like to buy the occasional walmart pack or blaster and rip for fun. And just wondered the best one to pick up for football. There isn't a LCS anywhere near me in the Woodlands/North Houston area. This gives me some things to look at. Thanks for the quick replies!

taylor5877 · 09-16-2019, 09:40 PM

Haha...they weren’t really worth what I paid for them but I just cleaned out the 242 and Woodlands Pkwy Walmart’s of 2017 score for some fun cheap rips...lol.

If you just want a lot of cards, the prestige hanger boxes aren’t bad for a retail buy. You get a card numbered to at least 300 or less, a 50/50 at a hit (mem cards are kinda trash in the set tho) and a bunch of rookies.

MossDC4L · 09-17-2019, 05:03 AM

Contenders and Contenders Optic seems to be the big sellers along with NT... Of course these come at a premium and best bet is to get them when they first hit the market as prices seem to go up shortly after.

Grid · 09-17-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Slamtojackson

Wow. Ok. Thanks! It seem the water is a bit muddier in the football world. I just like to buy the occasional walmart pack or blaster and rip for fun. And just wondered the best one to pick up for football. There isn't a LCS anywhere near me in the Woodlands/North Houston area. This gives me some things to look at. Thanks for the quick replies!

It's only more muddy on this end, since there are no legacy brands in football. It's all new.

On the baseball side, you have Topps kicking out rookies from that brand for like the past 70 years

On the football side, National Treasues is roughly 10 years old, on its 3rd name and second owner of the brand.

Not much history in any current football releases to consider a true flagship

Ray27Ray52 · 09-17-2019, 08:57 AM

There isn't one. Which is why I no longer collect or buy/sell FB cards.

hairysasquatch · 09-17-2019, 09:38 AM

Flagship in FB cards is now the S.S. POOPNINI.

Malsk · 09-17-2019, 10:31 AM

I would say Prizm. Never had a problem moving a Prizm. They also seem to increase in value the quickest when a player gets hot.

twisty571 · 09-17-2019, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Slamtojackson

Wow. Ok. Thanks! It seem the water is a bit muddier in the football world. I just like to buy the occasional walmart pack or blaster and rip for fun. And just wondered the best one to pick up for football. There isn't a LCS anywhere near me in the Woodlands/North Houston area. This gives me some things to look at. Thanks for the quick replies!

Then your best bet for going to Target & Wally World is Prizm or Optic. Donruss is never shown around here. They have a couple rare parallel's in them and insert auto's but none really collects it around here from what I see. Optic is basically the "Chrome" parallel of Donruss and can be bought at either place and you get "Exclusive" colors in either Prizm or Optic which can be a nice sought after hit (Prizm Retail Red's & Blues) that can give you a nice return.

patchgenie · 09-17-2019, 11:33 AM

donruss or score

MeteoriteGuy · 09-17-2019, 05:18 PM

Flagship and key for rcs are two seperate things....as it is in baseball as well. So your going to get a mix of answers unless you are more specific.

ThoseBackPages · 09-17-2019, 07:22 PM

Donruss

ucLAkers · 09-17-2019, 07:25 PM

Flagship football died in 2015....

Archangel1775 · 09-18-2019, 04:30 AM

1. National Treasures RPA (NFL Shield/AU=#1 card overall)
2. Contenders Cracked Ice Auto
3. Contenders Auto (Legacy brand)
4. Optic Contenders AU
5. Everything else

Flagship did go away in 2015........

twisty571 · 09-18-2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

1. National Treasures RPA (NFL Shield/AU=#1 card overall)
2. Contenders Cracked Ice Auto
3. Contenders Auto (Legacy brand)
4. Optic Contenders AU
5. Everything else

Flagship did go away in 2015........

Yep these are available at your local Walmart & Targets

KevJo · 09-18-2019, 08:48 AM

If I had to say a Panini brand, Prizm.

Kevin

ucLAkers · 09-18-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by twisty571

Yep these are available at your local Walmart & Targets

#5 is

taylor5877 · 09-18-2019, 08:59 AM

#2 is as well. Rare, but a few are in those retail blasters, at least in 2019.

BlowoutBuzz · 09-18-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Donruss

I agree on this one. And it's built upon with Donruss Optic.

StormSurge12 · 07-26-2020, 08:25 AM

I’ll ask the same question & clarify a bit for how it fits me.

I’m a Dolphins fan & am collecting all Dolphins Topps base cards. I’d love to continue that post-Topps. The main appeal with this collection is seeing the key members of the team on a yearly basis.

I’m assuming Donruss is the answer but would just like some clarification.

49erRCCollector · 07-26-2020, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormSurge12

I’ll ask the same question & clarify a bit for how it fits me.

I’m a Dolphins fan & am collecting all Dolphins Topps base cards. I’d love to continue that post-Topps. The main appeal with this collection is seeing the key members of the team on a yearly basis.

I’m assuming Donruss is the answer but would just like some clarification.

I’d vote Score: brand longevity, decent designs.

Ra3 · 07-26-2020, 12:58 PM

How is prizm viewed in football versus optic? I’m familiar with the arguments and pecking order in basketball (prizm is basically king, with optic having a vocal group of supporters), but I’m not entirely clear on how the football world distinguishes the brands. It seems like prizm is more popular and has greater prominence in football but I’m not totally clear on this. Can someone offer some opinions on this?

Edit- sorry not trying to hijack...asking about these brands in terms of their positions as potential flagship football products.

09-16-2019, 09:12 PM	#4
GoHawks25 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 5,433 ajs*closet	I disagree on Score... It’s Prizm/Optic for base rookie’s/refractor rookies. For rookie autos it’s Contenders, National Treasures RPA or Optic rookie autos. Donruss is good, but Optic is better. It’s like Topps vs Topps chrome or Bowman vs Bowman Chrome in baseball. I wouldn’t touch score personally. __________________ GO SEAHAWKS

09-17-2019, 09:38 AM	#10
hairysasquatch Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the Woods, Central NY Posts: 35,721	Flagship in FB cards is now the S.S. POOPNINI. __________________ I am going signature-free

09-17-2019, 05:18 PM	#14
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 4,827 MarkBostick	Flagship and key for rcs are two seperate things....as it is in baseball as well. So your going to get a mix of answers unless you are more specific. __________________ Always looking for low numbered Tony Gonzalez cards.

09-17-2019, 07:22 PM	#15
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,768 ThoseBackPages	Donruss __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

09-18-2019, 04:30 AM	#17
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,842	1. National Treasures RPA (NFL Shield/AU=#1 card overall) 2. Contenders Cracked Ice Auto 3. Contenders Auto (Legacy brand) 4. Optic Contenders AU 5. Everything else Flagship did go away in 2015........ __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

09-16-2019, 08:59 PM	#1
Slamtojackson Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 47	Football "Flagship" Product? Hello, I did some searches for the answer to this and I'm sure it is there but I've missed it. I've recently begun buying baseball packs and want to try some football. I know Topps flagship is the... "flagship" of the modern baseball card hobby with regard to true rookies etc. Could someone help me with the football equivalent? What is the "standard" product? I really appreciate any guidance.

09-16-2019, 09:08 PM	#2
taylor5877 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 263	As far as “base” level like Topps is, probably Donruss or Score...which just sounds weird to me to speak of Donruss as a FB card brand. Optic and Prizm are comparable to your chrome cards and are obvious the more sought after products for “base” rookies. I assumed the question was which set was comparable to “base” Topps. Last edited by taylor5877; 09-16-2019 at 09:36 PM.

09-16-2019, 09:12 PM	#3
JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801	There isn’t a flagship in regard to true RC. However Optic, Prizm and Contenders autos are good rookie cards to collect.

09-16-2019, 09:18 PM	#5
Slamtojackson Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 47	Wow. Ok. Thanks! It seem the water is a bit muddier in the football world. I just like to buy the occasional walmart pack or blaster and rip for fun. And just wondered the best one to pick up for football. There isn't a LCS anywhere near me in the Woodlands/North Houston area. This gives me some things to look at. Thanks for the quick replies!

09-16-2019, 09:40 PM	#6
taylor5877 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 263	Haha...they weren’t really worth what I paid for them but I just cleaned out the 242 and Woodlands Pkwy Walmart’s of 2017 score for some fun cheap rips...lol. If you just want a lot of cards, the prestige hanger boxes aren’t bad for a retail buy. You get a card numbered to at least 300 or less, a 50/50 at a hit (mem cards are kinda trash in the set tho) and a bunch of rookies.

09-17-2019, 05:03 AM	#7
MossDC4L Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 662 705SportsCards	Contenders and Contenders Optic seems to be the big sellers along with NT... Of course these come at a premium and best bet is to get them when they first hit the market as prices seem to go up shortly after.

09-17-2019, 08:57 AM	#9
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	There isn't one. Which is why I no longer collect or buy/sell FB cards.

09-17-2019, 10:31 AM	#11
Malsk Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,054 malskhotmailcom Malsk	I would say Prizm. Never had a problem moving a Prizm. They also seem to increase in value the quickest when a player gets hot.

09-17-2019, 11:33 AM	#13
patchgenie Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,821 americansportscards	donruss or score

09-17-2019, 07:25 PM	#16
ucLAkers Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: CaliZona Posts: 8,599 mintrobmint Totally Sucks	Flagship football died in 2015....

09-18-2019, 08:48 AM	#19
KevJo Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 11,411	If I had to say a Panini brand, Prizm. Kevin __________________ "By any means"- Khalil Mack

09-18-2019, 08:59 AM	#21
taylor5877 Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 263	#2 is as well. Rare, but a few are in those retail blasters, at least in 2019.

07-26-2020, 08:25 AM	#23
StormSurge12 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2	I’ll ask the same question & clarify a bit for how it fits me. I’m a Dolphins fan & am collecting all Dolphins Topps base cards. I’d love to continue that post-Topps. The main appeal with this collection is seeing the key members of the team on a yearly basis. I’m assuming Donruss is the answer but would just like some clarification.

07-26-2020, 12:58 PM	#25
Ra3 Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 801	How is prizm viewed in football versus optic? I’m familiar with the arguments and pecking order in basketball (prizm is basically king, with optic having a vocal group of supporters), but I’m not entirely clear on how the football world distinguishes the brands. It seems like prizm is more popular and has greater prominence in football but I’m not totally clear on this. Can someone offer some opinions on this? Edit- sorry not trying to hijack...asking about these brands in terms of their positions as potential flagship football products. Last edited by Ra3; 07-26-2020 at 02:22 PM.