Longtime dealer Johnny Adams Jr. trimmed vintage cards and sold thru PWCC for years

[corndog]

78 year old Johnny Adams, Jr. according to his one page website has been buying and selling cards since 1965.
Other vintage collectors may be able to share his history when they see the name.

Johnny Adams, Jr. is named as a card trimmer in the "anonymous letter from a PSA insider" posted online by SportsCardRadio.Com. http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

His Ebay user ID is johnnyadamsjr and he has had the same user ID for 20 years. https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30

His masked Ebay ID is a***j and his masked VCP ID is m***h.

The vast majority of his purchases are from PWCC and probstein123 and all of his purchased cards that he resells are consigned through PWCC or at card shows.
His feedback received as a buyer is over 5,900.
The date range of trimmed cards that I have found so far are from 2014 to December 2018.
Many of his graded card purchases are resold by PWCC in the same holder as simple flips.
Some are cracked and regraded with improved grade bumps with no apparent alteration (that I can see).
The rest are cracked out, trimmed and regraded with improved grades including PSA 10s.
All of his cards are vintage and all grading has been by PSA.

Johnny Adams Jr.



The first card that I post is the one that I will add image snips that trace the feedback to Ebay ID johnnyadamsjr.

PSA Cert #41738145

PSA Set Registry: none

1955 Topps Ellis Kinder #115

Value gain of $302.01

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller x2drich2000 as a PSA 8 for $49.99 on April 22, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Image snip of purchase in VCP:



Image snip taken from Ebay seller x2drich2000 feedback page of feedback left for johnnyadamsjr after purchase:



Image snip taken from johnnyadamsjr feedback page of feedback left to him by Ebay seller x2drich2000:



Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $352.00 on December 05, 2018.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1882581

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.






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PSA Cert #26975933

PSA Set Registry: none

1951 Bowman Danny O'Connell #93 - Population 1 of 2

Value gain of $3,819.00

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller www,stevenovella,com as a PSA 8 for $47.00 on July 14, 2016.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...93/69884/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $3,866.00 on April 10, 2017.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1458478

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.





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PSA Cert #24380539

PSA Set Registry: none

1956 Topps Bob Lemon #255

Value gain of $814.50

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $116.50 on February 06, 2015.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1066005

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $931.00 on July 09, 2015.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1148593

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. Note that the left edge is distorted on the front image of the PSA 9 due to the card edge being butted up against the plastic bumper.
The back image has a clear view of the trimming.

[andrewjjones]

another one bites the dust

[3124508 on COMC]

Only three cards? Don't hold back on us.

[ThoseBackPages]

any images of this dealer?

[corndog]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Only three cards? Don't hold back on us.

I have a lot more.

I am just tired - busy day at work...

After dinner I may post a few more. I prefer a slow drip.

[Wiseguy917]

In other news, the sky is blue...

[JWBlue]

I thought the old timers might have respect for the hobby. I guess not.

[Vladdy Jr]

Old bastard

[superdan49]

His 2019 website looks like a 1997 Angelfire page:

http://www.johnnyadamsjr.com

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I thought the old timers might have respect for the hobby. I guess not.

Old timers were trimming cards in the 80's and 90's when grading became popular. I owned card shop and had a middle aged guy coming in and selling me some incredible cards around 1996 and always wondered why he never sent them in for grading as he would make some huge bucks. I decided to send some of his cards in to PSA and quickly found out that the guy was a card barber and the cards he was selling me were all trimmed. I remember him coming back with a load of trimmed cards shortly after I received my submission back from PSA and confronted him with this information. While he never admitted to anything he quickly left the shop, never to be seen again.

Grading and the skyrocketing values of high graded cards has caused this trimming phenomenon in our hobby and as long as profits can be made by taking a little off the top of cards, it will continue despite the bright lights being shined on the cutters. They will find new ways to continue their "craft" and become even more adept at taking ignorant collectors money.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

Old timers were trimming cards in the 80's and 90's when grading became popular. I owned card shop and had a middle aged guy coming in and selling me some incredible cards around 1996 and always wondered why he never sent them in for grading as he would make some huge bucks. I decided to send some of his cards in to PSA and quickly found out that the guy was a card barber and the cards he was selling me were all trimmed. I remember him coming back with a load of trimmed cards shortly after I received my submission back from PSA and confronted him with this information. While he never admitted to anything he quickly left the shop, never to be seen again.

Grading and the skyrocketing values of high graded cards has caused this trimming phenomenon in our hobby and as long as profits can be made by taking a little off the top of cards, it will continue despite the bright lights being shined on the cutters. They will find new ways to continue their "craft" and become even more adept at taking ignorant collectors money.

This desperately needs to change. Fast!

[corndog]

PSA Cert #26975929

PSA Set Registry: CUGoldenBuffalo

1949 Bowman Mark Christman #121

Value gain of $186.63

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $44.00 on April 10, 2016.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1262088

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $230.63 on April 10, 2017.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1458350

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[3124508 on COMC]

More fake rough cuts.

[pete2345]

Ole dirty b@$tard.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

Old timers were trimming cards in the 80's and 90's when grading became popular. I owned card shop and had a middle aged guy coming in and selling me some incredible cards around 1996 and always wondered why he never sent them in for grading as he would make some huge bucks. I decided to send some of his cards in to PSA and quickly found out that the guy was a card barber and the cards he was selling me were all trimmed. I remember him coming back with a load of trimmed cards shortly after I received my submission back from PSA and confronted him with this information. While he never admitted to anything he quickly left the shop, never to be seen again.



Grading and the skyrocketing values of high graded cards has caused this trimming phenomenon in our hobby and as long as profits can be made by taking a little off the top of cards, it will continue despite the bright lights being shined on the cutters. They will find new ways to continue their "craft" and become even more adept at taking ignorant collectors money.

Similar experience for me. Had an older guy come into my shop in 2007 with a ton of sharp looking vintage, most raw and also some in GAI? Slabs. No early Mantles or anything huge but lots of late 50s- early 60s Mays, Clemente, Aaron etc.
Sent a handful to PSA and all came back trimmed. The worst part was I ended up selling a few to a good friend who doesn’t grade. Had to call and tell him I sold him bunk then refund. Dirty ol scoundrels. Been going on for a long time.
graded market is a scam


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[Rickey]

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[ken161]

For years I'd become increasingly skeptical of third party grading. A collector on the net54 boards did an excellent exposé about 10 years ago on a card doctor trimming 1960s Topps commons. That really planted the seed in my mind that something might be amiss. And in recent years, the never-ending supply of high-grade cards that were popping up like mushrooms at PWCC and other places just didn't seem legit. But I have to say - the level of fraud that's been exposed in the hobby over the last six months is something I never could have imagined. Again, kudos to BODA.

Can PSA really be ignorant of what's been going on? I'm starting to have my doubts. Regardless, it's going to be the poor souls of the set registry who are left standing when the music stops.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by superdan49

His 2019 website looks like a 1997 Angelfire page:

http://www.johnnyadamsjr.com

Hotmail? Seriously

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Hotmail? Seriously

As said before, the website looks like it was designed in 1997, so...

Could've been an AOL account instead!

[Soxfanguy]

Johnny & Sandy Adams
"Quality Collectibles Since 1965"
Buying and Selling
JohnnyAdamsJr@Hotmail.com
727.424.1353

That's literally the whole website

[corndog]

PSA Cert #24165205

PSA Set Registry: jonnyor's

1955 Topps Don Zimmer #92 - Population 1 of 3 - none higher

Value gain of $5,513.72

This card was purchased by masked VCP ID m***h (Johnny Adams, Jr.) from Ebay seller thewinningmind as a PSA 7 for $141.28 on December 27, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $5,655.00 on May 13, 2015.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1097651

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. The PSA 7 image looks a little odd due to the photo taken at an angle.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by corndog

[B][SIZE="3"]78 year old Johnny Adams, Jr. according to his one page website has been buying and selling cards since 1965.
Other vintage collectors may be able to share his history when they see the name.

Johnny Adams, Jr. is named as a card trimmer in the "anonymous letter from a PSA insider" posted online by SportsCardRadio.Com. http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

Full list from SCR

Alan Green

Alex Mancini (Associates w/ Kevin Burge, Vinny Ho)

Anthony Fernando (Associated w/ Johnny Zhu)

Bill Goodwin (Associates w/ Rick Changie)

Bob Grisset​

Bob Krowitz

Brian Deer

Brian Drent (Associates w/ Tony ____ (from Michigan))

Dave Bailey (Used to be a buyer for Dmitri Young. Associates w/ Joe Tuttle, Dmitri Young)

Gary Moser (Associates w/ Joe (Chet) Woods, Gerry Schwartz, Scottie Foreman)

Gerry Schwartz (Associates w/ Scottie Foreman, Gary Moser)

Jason Koontz (sp) (Purchased SCD’s grading equipment after their TPG service went defunct.)

Jeremy Bachman

Joe (Chet) Woods (Associates w/ Gary Moser)

Joe Tuttle (DaVinci – known for being able to completely replace a missing corner. Also purchased the original cutting blades from Topps during their garage sale. Associates w/ Dave Bailey, Dmitri Young)

Johnny Adams Jr. (Associates w/ Wayne Varner)

Johnny Zhu (Associated w/ Anthony Fernando)

Jon Perry (Worked at Lelands for a period)

JP Cohen (Also had previously served time for defrauding charity. Associates w/ Gary Tauscher, Dan Wulkin)

Kevin Burge (Associates w/ Alex Mancini, Vinny Ho)

Michael Chesnutis

Rick Changie (Retired, Associates w/ Bill Goodwin)

Robert Block

Scottie Foreman (I’ve always found SGC’s reputation among vintage collectors rather humorous as this is how the company was able to meet payroll for over a decade. For years SGC did not make money. Scottie was just the submitter, big brother had the magic touch. Associates w/ Gary Moser, Gerry Schwartz)

Tony ____ (from Michigan. Associates w/ Brian Drent)

Vinny Ho (Associates w/ Alex Mancini, Kevin Burge)

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Johnny & Sandy Adams
"Quality Collectibles Since 1965"
Buying and Selling
JohnnyAdamsJr@Hotmail.com
727.424.1353

That's literally the whole website

The website would be bigger if its borders weren't trimmed.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

The website would be bigger if its borders weren't trimmed.

Haha true

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ken161

For years I'd become increasingly skeptical of third party grading. A collector on the net54 boards did an excellent exposé about 10 years ago on a card doctor trimming 1960s Topps commons. That really planted the seed in my mind that something might be amiss. And in recent years, the never-ending supply of high-grade cards that were popping up like mushrooms at PWCC and other places just didn't seem legit. But I have to say - the level of fraud that's been exposed in the hobby over the last six months is something I never could have imagined. Again, kudos to BODA.

Can PSA really be ignorant of what's been going on? I'm starting to have my doubts. Regardless, it's going to be the poor souls of the set registry who are left standing when the music stops.

Now imagine if this is just the tip of the iceberg...