Ryu to the Blue Jays

jayjones82 · 12-23-2019, 12:00 AM

They’re building a pretty good team, methinks. I don't know about 4 years, but I think he can have a couple of more decent ones while the younger guys continue to build momentum. Now, they just need a young, decent arm or two.

https://www.mlb.com/news/hyun-jin-ry...with-blue-jays

clocsta2323 · 12-23-2019, 12:03 AM

Just saw this too.. Ryu might have gotten the best contract of any pitcher this offseason. 4 year deal is insane

Soxfanguy · 12-23-2019, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Just saw this too.. Ryu might have gotten the best contract of any pitcher this offseason. 4 year deal is insane

For a injury prone 32 year old with one good season no less...

The left-hander made just 41 appearances (40 starts) from 2015-18, as he was hampered by persistent injuries.

clocsta2323 · 12-23-2019, 12:35 AM

As a Nats fan I couldn't wait to get past Buehler to everyone else. Once Clayton came in during that game I told my brother, " We can get to Kershaw"

awz50 · 12-23-2019, 12:38 AM

Gross

ThoseBackPages · 12-23-2019, 12:41 AM

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Hollywood42 · 12-23-2019, 12:54 AM

4 years, yikes

JWBlue · 12-23-2019, 12:58 AM

He picked a good time to have an amazing season.

clocsta2323 · 12-23-2019, 01:05 AM

He completely disintegrated during the last 2 months. One of the worst Augusts in MLB history

steelprostate · 12-23-2019, 01:35 AM

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He completely disintegrated during the last 2 months. One of the worst Augusts in MLB history

He had a terrible August, but he was very good in September. 2.13 ERA and sub 1 WHIP. I don't think Toronto made a smart signing here, but he only disintegrated for 1 month lol

MossDC4L · 12-23-2019, 06:25 AM

Being a Jays fan I am not so sure about this... Time will tell

LC2nine10 · 12-23-2019, 07:33 AM

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He picked a good time to have an amazing season.

Yyeah i was just looking at career stats, definately seems an outlier. 1/3 of his career war in 1 year.

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 09:51 AM

I like it. You look at what Wheeler/Keuchel/Bumgarner got. He's better than them. Now obviously the risk is that he ends up starting 40 games over 4 years. But if you want good starting pitching, you either need to develop them yourself, or give up a lot in terms of money or prospects. The contract also isn't big enough that they can't trade him in a year or two, if he has a little success. He's also a junkballer, so age shouldn't affect him much. The health is the big thing. But worth the risk, IMO.

What I don't get is why the Angels didn't pull the trigger. Where is their starting pitching help coming from? They needed two, and haven't gotten any. Maybe they have a strict '1 Asian pitcher per rotation' policy.

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 10:09 AM

To show you what the starting pitching is like..

MLB.com put a team together of the best remaining free agents. Here's their rotation:

1. Alex Wood
2. Homer Bailey
3. Ivan Nova
4. Rich Hill
5. Jhoulys Chacin

That's awful.

Peties Army · 12-23-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

To show you what the starting pitching is like..

MLB.com put a team together of the best remaining free agents. Here's their rotation:

1. Alex Wood
2. Homer Bailey
3. Ivan Nova
4. Rich Hill
5. Jhoulys Chacin

That's awful.

Well I mean,no one is going to have all five.

I like hill, just know that 20 starts is best you are going to get. I like Wood also. He has been a pretty decent recently. Honestly all five of them arent awful as your 4th or 5th starter, frankly probably better then the fifth starters on a lot teams we think could make playoff runs. I guess Chacin is pretty bad.

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 10:48 AM

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Well I mean,no one is going to have all five.

I like hill, just know that 20 starts is best you are going to get. I like Wood also. He has been a pretty decent recently. Honestly all five of them arent awful as your 4th or 5th starter, frankly probably better then the fifth starters on a lot teams we think could make playoff runs. I guess Chacin is pretty bad.

I was using that to show what the other options are.

KnicksLife · 12-23-2019, 11:32 AM

Reminds me of RA Dickey . Had one great season and BAM... next thing he is on Blue Jays

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 11:34 AM

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Reminds me of RA Dickey . Had one great season and BAM... next thing he is on Blue Jays

Pretty different circumstances. Ryu's career ERA is 2.98. He's just always hurt.

Peties Army · 12-23-2019, 11:46 AM

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Pretty different circumstances. Ryu's career ERA is 2.98. He's just always hurt.

Yes, I dont get this.

Do the Jays think they are close? Just doesn't seem necessary.

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 11:50 AM

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Yes, I dont get this.

Do the Jays think they are close? Just doesn't seem necessary.

Good question. My guess is the ability to flip him down the road played into it. And they have an awful staff.

Skipscards · 12-23-2019, 11:52 AM

I’ll go against the grain and say this was a smart signing by the Blue Jays. $20 Million is oddly reasonable in today’s market for a 5 WAR pitcher. This is the world we live in now. Teams look at the WAR and put a value on it. Think about it, Cole and Strasburg each got about $15 Million more per year for one more WAR. Yes, Ryu has been more injury prone, but all pitchers are an injury risk. The Jays got value here without ruining their longterm budget.

EDMTunesCollect · 12-23-2019, 11:56 AM

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Good question. My guess is the ability to flip him down the road played into it. And they have an awful staff.

Nobody is trading for ryu with 3 years 60 mil left or 2 years 40 mil left when he’s 34 or 35.

Imagine thinking that Ryu (who basically never lasts a full season) is better and has more upside than wheeler. L m a o

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 12:02 PM

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Nobody is trading for ryu with 3 years 60 mil left or 2 years 40 mil left when he’s 34 or 35.

Imagine thinking that Ryu (who basically never lasts a full season) is better and has more upside than wheeler. L m a o

You realize what starting pitchers get now?

He's definitely better than Wheeler right now. I'm very skeptical that Wheeler puts it all together. Maybe Philly helps him do that. But the Phillies (or Girardi, or Price) aren't exactly known for their ability to develop pitching.

rman112 · 12-23-2019, 12:03 PM

And Ryu got significantly less than Wheeler, anyway. 4/80. 20 a year. 5/118. 23.6 a year.

Peties Army · 12-23-2019, 01:14 PM

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Good question. My guess is the ability to flip him down the road played into it. And they have an awful staff.

They arent signing him to a four year to flip him

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jayjones82 Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: GA to Germany to TX Posts: 3,446	Ryu to the Blue Jays They’re building a pretty good team, methinks. I don't know about 4 years, but I think he can have a couple of more decent ones while the younger guys continue to build momentum. Now, they just need a young, decent arm or two. https://www.mlb.com/news/hyun-jin-ry...with-blue-jays Last edited by jayjones82; 12-23-2019 at 10:29 AM.

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clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,842	Just saw this too.. Ryu might have gotten the best contract of any pitcher this offseason. 4 year deal is insane

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clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,842	As a Nats fan I couldn't wait to get past Buehler to everyone else. Once Clayton came in during that game I told my brother, " We can get to Kershaw"

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JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,507	He picked a good time to have an amazing season.

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clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,842	He completely disintegrated during the last 2 months. One of the worst Augusts in MLB history

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MossDC4L Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 662 705SportsCards	Being a Jays fan I am not so sure about this... Time will tell

12-23-2019, 09:51 AM	#13
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	I like it. You look at what Wheeler/Keuchel/Bumgarner got. He's better than them. Now obviously the risk is that he ends up starting 40 games over 4 years. But if you want good starting pitching, you either need to develop them yourself, or give up a lot in terms of money or prospects. The contract also isn't big enough that they can't trade him in a year or two, if he has a little success. He's also a junkballer, so age shouldn't affect him much. The health is the big thing. But worth the risk, IMO. What I don't get is why the Angels didn't pull the trigger. Where is their starting pitching help coming from? They needed two, and haven't gotten any. Maybe they have a strict '1 Asian pitcher per rotation' policy.

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rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	To show you what the starting pitching is like.. MLB.com put a team together of the best remaining free agents. Here's their rotation: 1. Alex Wood 2. Homer Bailey 3. Ivan Nova 4. Rich Hill 5. Jhoulys Chacin That's awful.

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rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	And Ryu got significantly less than Wheeler, anyway. 4/80. 20 a year. 5/118. 23.6 a year.