What do you guys think about those Prizm Color Blast inserts?

[senorlaverga]

Very slick looking and ultra rare, obviously. But these prices are insane. Don't inserts almost always devalue over the years as new and flashier stuff comes out? Or is the pricing just a result of collectors throwing money at the new and shiny stuff?

I only ask because I've been considering a couple, but throwing several hundred dollars at an insert seems crazy.

[SleeperCards]

Almost everything devalues over the years, spending any amount is probably crazy. Just spend what you're comfortable with.

[senorlaverga]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Almost everything devalues over the years, spending any amount is probably crazy. Just spend what you're comfortable with.

Lol. Fair point.

[Grid]

There is no set standard to go off of.

In general collectors are like a moth to a new flame when they throw money around.

Every year its the new draft class, as everyone "thinks" they are getting in at the bottom of the next Tom Brady.

Speculation will always drive the hobby, shiny inserts not withstanding.

IMO, the longer lasting the insert subset is, the more desirable it becomes as the years go on. These can become key cards, outside of true rookies from established brands.

Look at 90's basketball inserts. Those were $50 cards in some cases, right out of their $3.99 packs. 5 years later, they were $25 cards. 5 years after that, they became $100 cards. And yet another 5 years removed, collectors drove the price up on the same cards to $500-$5,000.

So many factors, and they do not always cross brands/cards.

Just like any hobby, its circular. The ones with the most money to spend now, are going back and buying things they always wanted from their own childhood. Jambalaya inserts were way cool when I was in High School, but i didnt have $50 then. If I want to relive that former dream, I'm paying way more now, as others have the same notion.

Flip that, and many collectables are nearly worthless now, as tastes have changed and aging collectors that once cared, and drove pricing, no longer collect.

Kids from the 40's and 50's drove pricing on foreign coins and stamps all through the 70's and 80's. Most of those same collections were worth half as much in the 90's, and even less now.

[bojesphob]

They definitely won't hold value as time goes on. This is definitely a good comparison: in 2012, Panini came out with the Panini site exclusive Prizm Orange Pylon. It was 1/1, an encased. They had auctions on their site, and many after the first 2 days of auctions were driven way up in price. I bought the Jordy Nelson for about 70 bucks I think. Not bad, considering. But, when I went to try to bid on the Aaron Rodgers, with over a day left it was well north of 200. Ended up selling for 325 bucks. Cam Newton? 302. Luck and RGII went for something like 400+.

Fast forward to a couple years ago, and I found someone selling the Rodgers. BIN for something like $150, IIRC. Had to scoop it up because that was a decent price for a Rodgers 1/1, not to mention what it originally sold for.

That said, these aren't 1/1s, so there is going to be some drastic price reductions once they are more readily available and most of the product is ripped.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by bojesphob

They definitely won't hold value as time goes on. This is definitely a good comparison: in 2012, Panini came out with the Panini site exclusive Prizm Orange Pylon. It was 1/1, an encased. They had auctions on their site, and many after the first 2 days of auctions were driven way up in price. I bought the Jordy Nelson for about 70 bucks I think. Not bad, considering. But, when I went to try to bid on the Aaron Rodgers, with over a day left it was well north of 200. Ended up selling for 325 bucks. Cam Newton? 302. Luck and RGII went for something like 400+.

Fast forward to a couple years ago, and I found someone selling the Rodgers. BIN for something like $150, IIRC. Had to scoop it up because that was a decent price for a Rodgers 1/1, not to mention what it originally sold for.

That said, these aren't 1/1s, so there is going to be some drastic price reductions once they are more readily available and most of the product is ripped.

I have to disagree. Your Rodgers was a steal. I can’t see that going for less than $600 today.

The color blasts are gorgeous cards, cross brands, and very limited. Price will fluctuate, but I think there’s too many people in them at high prices to ever see them at typical /30 or less card pricing

[2ssYankees7cf]

Originally Posted by bojesphob

They definitely won't hold value as time goes on. This is definitely a good comparison: in 2012, Panini came out with the Panini site exclusive Prizm Orange Pylon. It was 1/1, an encased. They had auctions on their site, and many after the first 2 days of auctions were driven way up in price. I bought the Jordy Nelson for about 70 bucks I think. Not bad, considering. But, when I went to try to bid on the Aaron Rodgers, with over a day left it was well north of 200. Ended up selling for 325 bucks. Cam Newton? 302. Luck and RGII went for something like 400+.

Fast forward to a couple years ago, and I found someone selling the Rodgers. BIN for something like $150, IIRC. Had to scoop it up because that was a decent price for a Rodgers 1/1, not to mention what it originally sold for.

That said, these aren't 1/1s, so there is going to be some drastic price reductions once they are more readily available and most of the product is ripped.

I believe your example is a bad comparison. 1/1’s are completely different than the color blast insert. The color blast’s are rare but not too rare where nobody can make a set. Set collectors are always good for the market as they are player collectors competition sometimes.

[cardmole]

Originally Posted by senorlaverga

Very slick looking and ultra rare, obviously. But these prices are insane. Don't inserts almost always devalue over the years as new and flashier stuff comes out? Or is the pricing just a result of collectors throwing money at the new and shiny stuff?

I only ask because I've been considering a couple, but throwing several hundred dollars at an insert seems crazy.

My belief is these will gain in popularity for at least awhile.
Great looking cards, just the right amount of rarity.
Similar to the great '90's inserts of the past, and maybe something like the "Kaboom" in basketball, which has stayed very popular.

[Onepocketj]

I just looked up the Mahomes on ebay. Cheapest one is $2,000. I'll pass. If I'm spending that I can get a really nice rookie card, not a third year non auto. I do like the look of them though.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I just looked up the Mahomes on ebay. Cheapest one is $2,000. I'll pass. If I'm spending that I can get a really nice rookie card, not a third year non auto. I do like the look of them though.

I’m with you here.

That’s a lot of dough for a third year non-Auto.

[senorlaverga]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I’m with you here.

That’s a lot of dough for a third year non-Auto.

Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at. The Mahomes especially is crazy expensive. You could get a sweet rookie for that money. It can't be sustainable, can it?

I am usually more wrong than right, and I don't think they will, so they probably will..

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by Grid

There is no set standard to go off of.

In general collectors are like a moth to a new flame when they throw money around.

Every year its the new draft class, as everyone "thinks" they are getting in at the bottom of the next Tom Brady.

Speculation will always drive the hobby, shiny inserts not withstanding.

IMO, the longer lasting the insert subset is, the more desirable it becomes as the years go on. These can become key cards, outside of true rookies from established brands.

Look at 90's basketball inserts. Those were $50 cards in some cases, right out of their $3.99 packs. 5 years later, they were $25 cards. 5 years after that, they became $100 cards. And yet another 5 years removed, collectors drove the price up on the same cards to $500-$5,000.

So many factors, and they do not always cross brands/cards.

Just like any hobby, its circular. The ones with the most money to spend now, are going back and buying things they always wanted from their own childhood. Jambalaya inserts were way cool when I was in High School, but i didnt have $50 then. If I want to relive that former dream, I'm paying way more now, as others have the same notion.

Flip that, and many collectables are nearly worthless now, as tastes have changed and aging collectors that once cared, and drove pricing, no longer collect.

Kids from the 40's and 50's drove pricing on foreign coins and stamps all through the 70's and 80's. Most of those same collections were worth half as much in the 90's, and even less now.

well said!

[meandsharon11]

Originally Posted by senorlaverga

Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at. The Mahomes especially is crazy expensive. You could get a sweet rookie for that money. It can't be sustainable, can it?

I am usually more wrong than right, and I don't think they will, so they probably will..

I don’t think you’re wrong. Inserts were the rage in the 90’s. Then the value dropped dramatically when jersey cards and autos became standard. I think it’s a handful of collectors that are buying them up. Once they stop to move on to the next thing those cards will go $10-$50 a piece. It’s still a good price for an insert, but it’s a fad. Once the ones at the top with deep pockets have got the ones they want then they won’t be driving up the prices and they will start to drop dramatically. Those cards are selling for more $ than 1/1’s of the same players. That’s not sustainable.

[E B]

I think they look awesome but they are far outside of my budget for the most part.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by meandsharon11

I don’t think you’re wrong. Inserts were the rage in the 90’s. Then the value dropped dramatically when jersey cards and autos became standard. I think it’s a handful of collectors that are buying them up. Once they stop to move on to the next thing those cards will go $10-$50 a piece. It’s still a good price for an insert, but it’s a fad. Once the ones at the top with deep pockets have got the ones they want then they won’t be driving up the prices and they will start to drop dramatically. Those cards are selling for more $ than 1/1’s of the same players. That’s not sustainable.

This may be true in general however there are certain iconic insert sets that just keep increasing in value through time. The 1998 Crusade sets in baseball are one example, Jambalaya in basketball is another. This particular set has some potential to follow suit. It's scarce and looks cool.