Check out this Trimmed $50,000 Card in an SGC Slab that Heritage is Auctioning...

[3124508 on COMC]

Card was sold unaltered by eBay ID nickhockeycards as a PSA 6 (ST) on 2/23/2018 for $5,000. It was first sold trimmed as a SGC 8 by Mile High on 10/4/2018 for $52,332, before being sold by Heritage on 8/18/19 for $37,200. It is currently being auctioned by Heritage again. Multiple edges, potentially all four, have been trimmed. The obvious ones are the left and right edges.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/hockey/195...umbnail-071515
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ago-1915788338

[pip]

Besides the obvious bat ears near the corners, those edges don't even look close to normal for that issue. Was a little sliced off the bottom edge too?

Memo to Santa Claus: SGC graders need rulers next Christmas. And a new pair of glasses too.

Memo to grand jury: Subpoena auction records. It will save the FBI tons of legwork.

It seems like certain altered cards are always sold through the same auction houses. I wonder why.

[3124508 on COMC]

Heritage is also reselling one of Brent's art projects.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1886678
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2007801

[pip]

Anyone want to guess what the current pH of the Gehrig is? If bleach was used, it's probably well above 10. If it was a solvent like Toluene, there's going to be increased oxidation over time and a lower pH. Either way, I'd hate to be the owner in about 5 to 10 years. Good work "conserving" yet another card, PWCC.

[BBases31]

Keep up the good work

[Emergency Donut]

You're a machine, keep at it. Don't know how you have the strength/diligence.

[JrFinest]

Originally Posted by pip

Besides the obvious bat ears near the corners, those edges don't even look close to normal for that issue. Was a little sliced off the bottom edge too?

Memo to Santa Claus: SGC graders need rulers next Christmas. And a new pair of glasses too.

Memo to grand jury: Subpoena auction records. It will save the FBI tons of legwork.

It seems like certain altered cards are always sold through the same auction houses. I wonder why.

I know right. What are the odds? Lol

[signed79]

Someone took a $15k loss on this card and should have some recourse to get that back. If the current owner knew the history of the card they be able to recoup all their funds. Heritage has an obligation, I believe, to tell the owner about this. I would reach out to them and let Heritage know they have been warned and could be liable down the road. If the sale continues, of course, it's possible all these sale prices are frauds.

[jaysfan80]

But yet none of this is hurting grading companies business. Its ridiculous that they could be shown over and over again to not have any credibility but people turn a blind eye to it.

[pip]

Originally Posted by jaysfan80

But yet none of this is hurting grading companies business. Its ridiculous that they could be shown over and over again to not have any credibility but people turn a blind eye to it.

We're talking about SGC here. What business?

[tconte]

Originally Posted by pip

We're talking about SGC here. What business?

LOL!

You got to give SGC credit. While they are still working on their set registry
improvements, they were able to adapt as a result of the bad autos on the
T206's and the diligent work of BODA in reviewing various submissions.

Look how quickly they closed down their auto business and established a
random cert process for submissions.

It just shows they are working hard....

[This is]

Isn't PWCC's lawyer also SGC's lawyer?? Couldn't that lead to a conflict of interests?

[HarryLime]

Great job, 312. You guys are incredible.

You could put Heritage, SGC, and Mastro current or ex employees in a blender and it would spit out an at-one-time accurate lineup every time.

Arthur

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Great job, 312. You guys are incredible.

You could put Heritage, SGC, and Mastro current or ex employees in a blender and it would spit out an at-one-time accurate lineup every time.

Arthur

Huh???

[HarryLime]

Pip, if I said grass is green you would argue with me. I'm not going to clog up any more of these threads going back and forth with you while you try to work out your insecurities. So take whatever shots you'd like, I'm not going to respond.

Arthur

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by This is

Isn't PWCC's lawyer also SGC's lawyer?? Couldn't that lead to a conflict of interests?

I think they both have the same interests.

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Pip, if I said grass is green you would argue with me. I'm not going to clog up any more of these threads going back and forth with you while you try to work out your insecurities. So take whatever shots you'd like, I'm not going to respond.

Arthur

You've obviously never heard of Kentucky bluegrass. While not exactly blue, I wouldn't call it a traditional turf green either.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by pip

You've obviously never heard of Kentucky bluegrass. While not exactly blue, I wouldn't call it a traditional turf green either.

Ok, that's kind of funny, just because it reminds me of how creatively oppositional my kids could be. Arguing just for the sake of making life difficult. Lots of work, raising those two...

That said, let's try to stay on point here. This one is a big deal, and hopefully this thread gets the attention of law enforcement. More amazing work by "312". It's just tremendous that you can overcome all of the obstacles to uncover this level of fraud. Keep it up, as your efforts are much appreciated!

[shayscards79]

LMAO at "art projects"

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by tconte

LOL!

You got to give SGC credit. While they are still working on their set registry
improvements, they were able to adapt as a result of the bad autos on the
T206's and the diligent work of BODA in reviewing various submissions.

Look how quickly they closed down their auto business and established a
random cert process for submissions.

It just shows they are working hard....

And from what I was told from several sources, SGC did not make good to anyone on those forged T206s they authenticated. They just shut down the segment of the business.

[Bruins1993]

Nowhere on gosgc.com does the site state show what the SGC acronym stands for. It is now a mystery...

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

And from what I was told from several sources, SGC did not make good to anyone on those forged T206s they authenticated. They just shut down the segment of the business.

I know buyers were reimbursed by REA, Hunt, and Heritage from that debacle and it’s my understanding SGC funded that. This was all second hand, but that was the process described to me.

[Kabuki]

Wonder who owned the item....

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Nowhere on gosgc.com does the site state show what the SGC acronym stands for. It is now a mystery...

I guess they didn't adopt my revision of their name (S_C) yet.

Not long after the scandal started, I asked SGC's Director of Operations what had happened to the guarantee previously posted on the website from as far back as I could remember. He assured me that lawyers were reviewing the wording and that it would be back up shortly.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

Anyone want to guess what the current pH of the Gehrig is? If bleach was used, it's probably well above 10. If it was a solvent like Toluene, there's going to be increased oxidation over time and a lower pH. Either way, I'd hate to be the owner in about 5 to 10 years. Good work "conserving" yet another card, PWCC.

Perhaps pH testing needs to be part of the review process, since apparently graders cannot detect even blindingly white CJs and other cards by visual inspection.