Liriano heading to the Bronx?

gman71 · 02-28-2011, 04:38 PM

Bob Nightengale of USA Today told Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on Monday that he thinks it's possible Francisco Liriano will be traded to the Yankees sometime in the next two weeks.

We've heard discussion about the Twins possibly trading Liriano from a variety of sources, so it appears this rumor has legs. The Yankees have an obvious need in their rotation, but the Twins would be trading away the closest thing they have to an ace at the moment. According to Nightengale, the Twins would acquire either Ivan Nova or Joba Chamberlain, in addition to other pieces. Stay tuned, because it sounds like things are about to get very interesting.

oldgoldy97 · 02-28-2011, 04:43 PM

I like the idea of trading him. Then we'll have a roster full of 3rd starters. This should be the year that he fully bounces back from his surgery, we'd be better off going with him for a month or two first.

Zacky1053 · 02-28-2011, 04:44 PM

When guys like Mark Prior, Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon are your projected 4th and 5th starters I'd be looking for another pitcher too if I were NY

Screamer · 02-28-2011, 04:47 PM

Great trade for the Twins... I'd rather have Nova than Liriano

If they trade Nova, then Liriano becomes thier 4th starter; it still doesn't help them fill the 5th spot

You see Colon is 270 lbs? Guess he hit 94 on the radar gun the other day

MASNAR · 02-28-2011, 04:51 PM

I am not sure why the Twins would do this....

whyeeee does it make sense for the Twins?

7290morint · 02-28-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Screamer

Great trade for the Twins... I'd rather have Nova than Liriano

If they trade Nova, then Liriano becomes thier 4th starter; it still doesn't help them fill the 5th spot

You see Colon is 270 lbs? Guess he hit 94 on the radar gun the other day

You are nuts. Rather have Nova over Liriano? Liriano has ace stuff. Nova does not. Even despite Liriano's injuries he is still heads and shoulders above Nova.

dizzydolse · 02-28-2011, 04:56 PM

I definitely do not want them to trade Nova for Liriano at all. They can have Joba but I think Nova is going to be a great pitcher and I don't trust Liriano at all. I don't think the Yankees will trade Nova.

7290morint · 02-28-2011, 04:58 PM

I think the only way the Yankees would get Liriano is if they were willing to trade Banuelos and I'm not sure they are willing to do that. Furthermore, if the Twins deal Liriano they can kiss any chance they have at winning the division good bye.

dthimesch · 02-28-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 7290morint

I think the only way the Yankees would get Liriano is if they were willing to trade Banuelos and I'm not sure they are willing to do that. Furthermore, if the Twins deal Liriano they can kiss any chance they have at winning the division good bye.

This is true! unfortunately the Twins are looking at this long term. They do not want to commit to him long term and this is the time they are going to get the most for him in a trade. Just sucks that this would screw them for this season.

7290morint · 02-28-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dthimesch

This is true! unfortunately the Twins are looking at this long term. They do not want to commit to him long term and this is the time they are going to get the most for him in a trade. Just sucks that this would screw them for this season.

It's also taking a big chance that Gibson & Wimmers exceed their projected celings as solid #2 and #3 starters. I just think that Liriano has to be worth the gamble on a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th & 5th year. Let's face it, while Pavano has remade himself as a serious groundball pitcher he has nowhere near the stuff that Liriano has.

dthimesch · 02-28-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 7290morint

It's also taking a big chance that Gibson & Wimmers exceed their projected celings as solid #2 and #3 starters. I just think that Liriano has to be worth the gamble on a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th & 5th year. Let's face it, while Pavano has remade himself as a serious groundball pitcher he has nowhere near the stuff that Liriano has.

I COMPLETELY agree with you! Just wish the Twins thought the same on the 3 year deal

7290morint · 02-28-2011, 06:08 PM

Yeah, I don't understand the thinking of some front office GM's sometimes. Just with starting pitching at a premium, he is still young and in my eyes is totally worth the gamble on a 3 year deal. I mean Ted Lilly got a 3 year deal. It's just crazy that they seem like they won't even entertain the notion.

IamRalpho · 02-28-2011, 06:09 PM

Yeah I doubt/hope the Twins wouldnt do anything less than Banuelos++ for Liriano, who has ace stuff, cheap and under control for 3 more years.

Hell if the Twins asked for Montero, I could understand it.

pac213up · 02-28-2011, 06:20 PM

He's under the Twins control through 2012 so the Yankees would have to pay and arm and a leg to pry him away earlier than the Twins really need to move him.

tehchamp · 02-28-2011, 06:23 PM

Liriano is an ace, he finally is back to form now IMO.
Yankees would have to give up a ton to get him, at least that would be me if I were the Twins.

clarkzac · 02-28-2011, 06:41 PM

I really hope the Twins wouldn't do this. Its time they lock up an ace for that staff, I was devestated when they let Santana go. It seems like that move to get rid of him was somewhat good, in the case that Santana has been injured lately, not good for Santana but good for the Twins, but what did the Twins get for him in return? Not much. The Twins need to lock up Liriano, he's the ace of the staff. Plus in a couple of years they could have Liriano, Gibson, and Wimmers starting 1-2-3

stumpfreeman · 02-28-2011, 07:38 PM

NOOOOOO!! Every dam time they develope a decent starting pitcher he gets traded!! Not that Liriano comes without risk, but we need a strikeout pitcher and his slider is one of the best when he's on it. Too many of our pitchers pitch to contact. If they are thinking long term, I'd like to see that plan.

Chaddie84 · 02-28-2011, 07:42 PM

Time to liquidate my Liriano PC

clarkzac · 02-28-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaddie84

Time to liquidate my Liriano PC

Send them to me

jasonadkins · 03-01-2011, 12:44 AM

Kyle Gibson can probably settle down as a 3-4 Starter type this year and eventually develop into a high end #2 Starter, and if the Twins can get Joba, Banuelos, and Montero/Sanchez, they might need to pull the trigger on that. Montero as a DH and two day per week catcher to fill in with Mauer could be sweet for the next seven or eight years. The Twins have six formidable starters right now with Liriano, Pavano, Slowey, Densing, Baker, and Blackburn. Gibson could definitely push his way in before the All Star Break with or without injuries. The White Sox have a very fragile team and the Tigers don't have a full staff, so even without Liriano, the Twins have a good chance to win the division this year and can help their team for years to come with a nice overtrade from Yankee desperation.

YanksBillsFan · 03-01-2011, 09:43 AM

It's got to throw up a red flag if the Twins are willing to deal Liriano. He's arguable their best SP and would help their chances toward another playoff appearance. He missed a couple of days already with a sore shoulder and his work ethic has been called into question numerous times. It's considered that the Yanks would need to give up a lot for him and Cashman is doing all he can to pull back the reigns when it comes to dealing the organizations top prospects. But then again, Levine or the Steinbrenner kids could overrule him like they did with the Soriano signing. I don't think the Twins are willing to commit to Liriano beyond his current deal so if the Yanks remain patient, I could see them getting Liriano below market value.

I'd love to have Liriano on the squad but would really like to see a youth movement from within the organizatino. No deal if it involves either Nova, Betances, Brackman, Noesi or Banuelos. Liriano's uncertainty around him isn't worth the risk of sacrificing blue chip prospects.

colby2611 · 03-01-2011, 10:20 AM

i found this on yahoo sports.

Yankees asked about Twins' Liriano
By Mark J. Miller
New York Yankees GM Brian Cashman has been saying that he's got nothing going on in the trade department right now, but ESPN reports that during the offseason, the Yanks called the Minnesota Twins to see about the availability of team ace Francisco Liriano(notes).

Starting pitching is normally a strength for the Yankees but it is looking weaker this year due to the retirement of Andy Pettitte(notes), the inconsistency of A.J. Burnett(notes), and the inability of the Yanks to sign Cliff Lee(notes). Liriano went 14-10 for the Twins last year with a 3.62 ERA and 201 strikeouts.

"Thus far, the Twins have been unwilling to deal Liriano," ESPN notes, but Liriano is a free agent at the end of 2012 and if the Yankees continue to see starting pitching as a problem, the Twins may have the opportunity to sell high on Liriano.

WCTYSON · 03-01-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonadkins

Kyle Gibson can probably settle down as a 3-4 Starter type this year and eventually develop into a high end #2 Starter, and if the Twins can get Joba, Banuelos, and Montero/Sanchez, they might need to pull the trigger on that. Montero as a DH and two day per week catcher to fill in with Mauer could be sweet for the next seven or eight years. The Twins have six formidable starters right now with Liriano, Pavano, Slowey, Densing, Baker, and Blackburn. Gibson could definitely push his way in before the All Star Break with or without injuries. The White Sox have a very fragile team and the Tigers don't have a full staff, so even without Liriano, the Twins have a good chance to win the division this year and can help their team for years to come with a nice overtrade from Yankee desperation.

A trade to the Yankees would not net anywhere near 2 high-end prospects and a MLB player, sorry.

I doubt very seriously that the Yankees will move Montero or Sanchez. They have spent too much time and money on those two. Would they move Joba and Banuelos with some cash? Maybe. I do not think moving Liriano to the Yankees would be a good idea for the Twins at all. They can not seem to get past the Yankees in the playoffs, why make that harder. Liriano is the only starter for the Twins that is a front of the rotation pitcher followed by a bunch of guys that are bottom of the rotation. Gibson will be on the Twins staff this year but if you are expecting to see front of the rotation stuff now or in the future, you may be disappointed. He just is not that. He will be another addition to the mix of the bottom of the rotation starters for the Twins.

Pills · 03-01-2011, 02:47 PM

Joba's 25, and has no real spot, though I blame the Soriano deal for that. I don't think they'll convert him back to a starter if he stays in NY.

If I were Cashman, I'd be overjoyed to give him up plus two mid level prospects. That being said, while I don't think the Twins would ask for Montero (where would they put him?), they could ask for one of Banuelos/Bettances plus Mesa without Joba.

37Jetson · 03-01-2011, 03:18 PM

As a Detroit Tigers fan I hope the Twins make this trade so they can hose up their 2011 Season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dthimesch

This is true! unfortunately the Twins are looking at this long term. They do not want to commit to him long term and this is the time they are going to get the most for him in a trade. Just sucks that this would screw them for this season.

02-28-2011, 04:38 PM	#1
gman71 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vegas Posts: 6,121	Liriano heading to the Bronx? Bob Nightengale of USA Today told Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on Monday that he thinks it's possible Francisco Liriano will be traded to the Yankees sometime in the next two weeks. We've heard discussion about the Twins possibly trading Liriano from a variety of sources, so it appears this rumor has legs. The Yankees have an obvious need in their rotation, but the Twins would be trading away the closest thing they have to an ace at the moment. According to Nightengale, the Twins would acquire either Ivan Nova or Joba Chamberlain, in addition to other pieces. Stay tuned, because it sounds like things are about to get very interesting. __________________ I don't trade

02-28-2011, 04:47 PM	#4
Screamer Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 7,283 drbaseball Screamer	Great trade for the Twins... I'd rather have Nova than Liriano If they trade Nova, then Liriano becomes thier 4th starter; it still doesn't help them fill the 5th spot You see Colon is 270 lbs? Guess he hit 94 on the radar gun the other day __________________ TRADING FOR: Bobby Witt Jr Nick Kurtz Buying: AUTO RESALE LOTS

02-28-2011, 04:58 PM	#8
7290morint Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,058 the_alchemist83	I think the only way the Yankees would get Liriano is if they were willing to trade Banuelos and I'm not sure they are willing to do that. Furthermore, if the Twins deal Liriano they can kiss any chance they have at winning the division good bye. __________________ Looking for: rare brewers cards (think /5 or less and even better if they are chrome). Instagram: alchemycards

02-28-2011, 06:08 PM	#12
7290morint Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6,058 the_alchemist83	Yeah, I don't understand the thinking of some front office GM's sometimes. Just with starting pitching at a premium, he is still young and in my eyes is totally worth the gamble on a 3 year deal. I mean Ted Lilly got a 3 year deal. It's just crazy that they seem like they won't even entertain the notion. __________________ Looking for: rare brewers cards (think /5 or less and even better if they are chrome). Instagram: alchemycards

02-28-2011, 07:38 PM	#17
stumpfreeman Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,658 cantankorous	NOOOOOO!! Every dam time they develope a decent starting pitcher he gets traded!! Not that Liriano comes without risk, but we need a strikeout pitcher and his slider is one of the best when he's on it. Too many of our pitchers pitch to contact. If they are thinking long term, I'd like to see that plan. __________________ Twins collector

02-28-2011, 04:43 PM	#2
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 49,776	I like the idea of trading him. Then we'll have a roster full of 3rd starters. This should be the year that he fully bounces back from his surgery, we'd be better off going with him for a month or two first.

02-28-2011, 04:44 PM	#3
Zacky1053 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 22,750 Zacky1053	When guys like Mark Prior, Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon are your projected 4th and 5th starters I'd be looking for another pitcher too if I were NY __________________ If you put “the” and “IRS” together, it spells “theirs”.

02-28-2011, 04:51 PM	#5
MASNAR Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,136	I am not sure why the Twins would do this.... whyeeee does it make sense for the Twins?

02-28-2011, 04:56 PM	#7
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	I definitely do not want them to trade Nova for Liriano at all. They can have Joba but I think Nova is going to be a great pitcher and I don't trust Liriano at all. I don't think the Yankees will trade Nova.

02-28-2011, 06:09 PM	#13
IamRalpho Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 17,693 IamSilly	Yeah I doubt/hope the Twins wouldnt do anything less than Banuelos++ for Liriano, who has ace stuff, cheap and under control for 3 more years. Hell if the Twins asked for Montero, I could understand it.

02-28-2011, 06:20 PM	#14
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,260	He's under the Twins control through 2012 so the Yankees would have to pay and arm and a leg to pry him away earlier than the Twins really need to move him.

02-28-2011, 06:23 PM	#15
tehchamp Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stafford, TX Posts: 2,048 tehchamp	Liriano is an ace, he finally is back to form now IMO. Yankees would have to give up a ton to get him, at least that would be me if I were the Twins.

02-28-2011, 06:41 PM	#16
clarkzac Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,581 zc3009	I really hope the Twins wouldn't do this. Its time they lock up an ace for that staff, I was devestated when they let Santana go. It seems like that move to get rid of him was somewhat good, in the case that Santana has been injured lately, not good for Santana but good for the Twins, but what did the Twins get for him in return? Not much. The Twins need to lock up Liriano, he's the ace of the staff. Plus in a couple of years they could have Liriano, Gibson, and Wimmers starting 1-2-3

02-28-2011, 07:42 PM	#18
Chaddie84 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 8,828 Chaddie84 Chaddie84	Time to liquidate my Liriano PC __________________ SKOL! Go Bison!

03-01-2011, 12:44 AM	#20
jasonadkins Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 3,233 stripsidecomics	Kyle Gibson can probably settle down as a 3-4 Starter type this year and eventually develop into a high end #2 Starter, and if the Twins can get Joba, Banuelos, and Montero/Sanchez, they might need to pull the trigger on that. Montero as a DH and two day per week catcher to fill in with Mauer could be sweet for the next seven or eight years. The Twins have six formidable starters right now with Liriano, Pavano, Slowey, Densing, Baker, and Blackburn. Gibson could definitely push his way in before the All Star Break with or without injuries. The White Sox have a very fragile team and the Tigers don't have a full staff, so even without Liriano, the Twins have a good chance to win the division this year and can help their team for years to come with a nice overtrade from Yankee desperation.

03-01-2011, 09:43 AM	#21
YanksBillsFan Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,351	It's got to throw up a red flag if the Twins are willing to deal Liriano. He's arguable their best SP and would help their chances toward another playoff appearance. He missed a couple of days already with a sore shoulder and his work ethic has been called into question numerous times. It's considered that the Yanks would need to give up a lot for him and Cashman is doing all he can to pull back the reigns when it comes to dealing the organizations top prospects. But then again, Levine or the Steinbrenner kids could overrule him like they did with the Soriano signing. I don't think the Twins are willing to commit to Liriano beyond his current deal so if the Yanks remain patient, I could see them getting Liriano below market value. I'd love to have Liriano on the squad but would really like to see a youth movement from within the organizatino. No deal if it involves either Nova, Betances, Brackman, Noesi or Banuelos. Liriano's uncertainty around him isn't worth the risk of sacrificing blue chip prospects. __________________ Collecting: Brett Gardner

03-01-2011, 10:20 AM	#22
colby2611 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: connecticut Posts: 471 inbetweenthelinescardsandcollectibles	i found this on yahoo sports. Yankees asked about Twins' Liriano By Mark J. Miller New York Yankees GM Brian Cashman has been saying that he's got nothing going on in the trade department right now, but ESPN reports that during the offseason, the Yanks called the Minnesota Twins to see about the availability of team ace Francisco Liriano(notes). Starting pitching is normally a strength for the Yankees but it is looking weaker this year due to the retirement of Andy Pettitte(notes), the inconsistency of A.J. Burnett(notes), and the inability of the Yanks to sign Cliff Lee(notes). Liriano went 14-10 for the Twins last year with a 3.62 ERA and 201 strikeouts. "Thus far, the Twins have been unwilling to deal Liriano," ESPN notes, but Liriano is a free agent at the end of 2012 and if the Yankees continue to see starting pitching as a problem, the Twins may have the opportunity to sell high on Liriano.

03-01-2011, 02:47 PM	#24
Pills Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 82	Joba's 25, and has no real spot, though I blame the Soriano deal for that. I don't think they'll convert him back to a starter if he stays in NY. If I were Cashman, I'd be overjoyed to give him up plus two mid level prospects. That being said, while I don't think the Twins would ask for Montero (where would they put him?), they could ask for one of Banuelos/Bettances plus Mesa without Joba.