Picked Up An MJ Fleer Rookie Yesterday—Predictions on Grade

dortonwildcat5 · 03-31-2020, 04:22 AM

Predictions on grade assuming it isn’t altered? Only thing is I may not be able to get it graded for many months since PSA and BGS are currently not operating. May possibly do SGC for the first time since they are still open.

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fdjizm · 03-31-2020, 07:24 AM

Looks like a solid 8, 9 if they are feeling nice.

IndySportsCards · 03-31-2020, 07:39 AM

I feel PSA has been more strict lately, I've noticed my grades coming in much lower than what I expected on the last couple batches. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back a 7 or 8

twooge74 · 03-31-2020, 09:54 AM

Just curious, where did you get a raw one that you actually trust? Thanks.

Jasondr91 · 03-31-2020, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by twooge74

Just curious, where did you get a raw one that you actually trust? Thanks.

Good question, but they are out there. I just watched a recent entire box break of 86 Fleer. Box was certified from BBCE also. Crazy box, had x5 Barkley rookies in it also, the breaks typically yeild 3 per, and some cards get a 4th.

As for the card in the thread, it's real. Border overlapping is present.

kevbojones · 03-31-2020, 10:05 AM

Assuming it's real, I'd say an 8 easily

Comix Guy · 03-31-2020, 10:08 AM

Those giving grades, what are the flaws?
Centering and right edge on front?

Canecastle10 · 03-31-2020, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Comix Guy

Those giving grades, what are the flaws?
Centering and right edge on front?

Corners aren’t perfect, and the edges aren’t either. Overall good shape though.

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2020, 10:15 AM

Solid 8! NICE!

blinkme323 · 03-31-2020, 10:16 AM

Great card, this will likely come back as a 7 or maybe a 7.5 on a good day. Centering is the biggest killer for me, but I also think I see a print spot on the nameplate area and then obviously a touch of white on all four corners. Again awesome card though!

Here is my 7 for reference:

Untitled

Comix Guy · 03-31-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Canecastle10

Corners aren’t perfect, and the edges aren’t either. Overall good shape though.

Yea, all the corners are just not perfect enough. Thanks.

WillBBC · 03-31-2020, 10:22 AM

My guess is a beautiful 7 based on the corners and top/bottom centering. Beautiful card, congrats on the pickup!

ThoseBackPages · 03-31-2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blinkme323

Great card, this will likely come back as a 7 or maybe a 7.5 on a good day. Centering is the biggest killer for me, but I also think I see a print spot on the nameplate area and then obviously a touch of white on all four corners. Again awesome card though!

Here is my 7 for reference:

Untitled

this may be worth a review, as it was slabbed before half point grades existed

great looking card!

Beavers98 · 03-31-2020, 10:41 AM

Very nice looking card. With most, solid 7-8 range would be my guess as well.

Willikn · 03-31-2020, 11:46 AM

I'm calling for 8.5. If it was just pack pulled, then no surface imperfections. Looks like one fish eye, but it is small and hidden in the crowd. No snow. VERY nice.

carl2001 · 03-31-2020, 12:01 PM

Psa 8. BGS 8-8.5

yaoming · 03-31-2020, 12:04 PM

agree with most above
psa 8
looks legit to me, and that s more important than any grade!

Willikn · 03-31-2020, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blinkme323

Here is my 7 for reference:

Untitled

Is this card in your private set registry inventory?

Springerj23 · 03-31-2020, 06:22 PM

Flaws
Corners
Centering
Fisheye in blue bottom nameplate
Might squeak out a 7, 6 wouldn’t surprise me
Don’t kid yourself when you grading, just leads to diappointment

ninjacookies · 03-31-2020, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Springerj23

Flaws

Fisheye in blue bottom nameplate

Agree with this. Most likely a 7...could be a 6-6.5. PSA is stricter on surface conditions than BGS #narrative. Still a wonderful card.

UltimateDeron · 03-31-2020, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

I feel PSA has been more strict lately, I've noticed my grades coming in much lower than what I expected on the last couple batches. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back a 7 or 8

You’re not alone. PSA has been very tough of late. Tons of 7’s and 8’s for me too. I used to get almost all 10’s and a few 9’s sprinkled in.

OP - I’d send to BGS. Could pull a BGS 9. PSA will give you a 7 on this. I just received back my MJ Fleer RC from BGS that was in much worse condition. It got an 8. Yours is better all around.

Davis · 03-31-2020, 08:35 PM

Nice card. Looks like a 7 to me.

dortonwildcat5 · 03-31-2020, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

I feel PSA has been more strict lately, I've noticed my grades coming in much lower than what I expected on the last couple batches. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back a 7 or 8

Same here. I was just in a group sub that 18 of 57 came back PSA 10. I had 11 in another. 4 got PSA 10. I expected 6-7 to gem.

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Originally Posted by twooge74

Just curious, where did you get a raw one that you actually trust? Thanks.

Picked up in a Facebook group. I pick up raw ones fairly often online. Bought a raw for $1030 2 years ago. Came back a PSA 8. I just met a guy online who bought 3 ungraded packs at a card show for $900 each. Pulled an MJ and sent to BGS. Graded 9.5. I’ll try to find pics.

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

You’re not alone. PSA has been very tough of late. Tons of 7’s and 8’s for me too. I used to get almost all 10’s and a few 9’s sprinkled in.

OP - I’d send to BGS. Could pull a BGS 9. PSA will give you a 7 on this. I just received back my MJ Fleer RC from BGS that was in much worse condition. It got an 8. Yours is better all around.

I may do that when they reopen. PSA sure has been tough lately.

dortonwildcat5 · 03-31-2020, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the opinions guys. I am currently selling a PSA 4 to pay for this one. I paid $1500 for this one. Also picked up an 84-85 sealed Bulls team bag today on Facebook.

Bob Ross · 03-31-2020, 09:14 PM

Beautiful card. Regardless of what you do with it it is an incredible pick up. I need in your FB groups!

03-31-2020, 04:22 AM	#1
dortonwildcat5 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,011 theglove5	Picked Up An MJ Fleer Rookie Yesterday—Predictions on Grade Predictions on grade assuming it isn’t altered? Only thing is I may not be able to get it graded for many months since PSA and BGS are currently not operating. May possibly do SGC for the first time since they are still open. Generated from my Apple iPhone using tools.sportscard.trade Generated from my Apple iPhone using tools.sportscard.trade

03-31-2020, 07:39 AM	#3
IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 41,920 braco0 IndySportsCards	I feel PSA has been more strict lately, I've noticed my grades coming in much lower than what I expected on the last couple batches. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back a 7 or 8 __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

03-31-2020, 10:15 AM	#9
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,066 ThoseBackPages	Solid 8! NICE! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

03-31-2020, 10:16 AM	#10
blinkme323 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Philly Posts: 1,886	Great card, this will likely come back as a 7 or maybe a 7.5 on a good day. Centering is the biggest killer for me, but I also think I see a print spot on the nameplate area and then obviously a touch of white on all four corners. Again awesome card though! Here is my 7 for reference: Untitled Last edited by blinkme323; 03-31-2020 at 10:27 AM.

03-31-2020, 12:01 PM	#16
carl2001 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,333 cardcollectorcarl	Psa 8. BGS 8-8.5 __________________ I collect BASKETBALL cards and old sealed boxes.

03-31-2020, 07:24 AM	#2
fdjizm Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,093	Looks like a solid 8, 9 if they are feeling nice.

03-31-2020, 09:54 AM	#4
twooge74 Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 204 jasojone_8384	Just curious, where did you get a raw one that you actually trust? Thanks.

03-31-2020, 10:05 AM	#6
kevbojones Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 1,521	Assuming it's real, I'd say an 8 easily

03-31-2020, 10:08 AM	#7
Comix Guy Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,568	Those giving grades, what are the flaws? Centering and right edge on front?

03-31-2020, 10:22 AM	#12
WillBBC Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,261	My guess is a beautiful 7 based on the corners and top/bottom centering. Beautiful card, congrats on the pickup!

03-31-2020, 10:41 AM	#14
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 10,999 beavers98	Very nice looking card. With most, solid 7-8 range would be my guess as well.

03-31-2020, 11:46 AM	#15
Willikn Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Harrison, OH Posts: 1,643 willikn	I'm calling for 8.5. If it was just pack pulled, then no surface imperfections. Looks like one fish eye, but it is small and hidden in the crowd. No snow. VERY nice.

03-31-2020, 12:04 PM	#17
yaoming Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,824	agree with most above psa 8 looks legit to me, and that s more important than any grade!

03-31-2020, 06:22 PM	#19
Springerj23 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Newburgh, IN Posts: 1,499	Flaws Corners Centering Fisheye in blue bottom nameplate Might squeak out a 7, 6 wouldn’t surprise me Don’t kid yourself when you grading, just leads to diappointment

03-31-2020, 08:35 PM	#22
Davis Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Denver Posts: 6,512	Nice card. Looks like a 7 to me.

03-31-2020, 09:04 PM	#24
dortonwildcat5 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,011 theglove5	Thanks for the opinions guys. I am currently selling a PSA 4 to pay for this one. I paid $1500 for this one. Also picked up an 84-85 sealed Bulls team bag today on Facebook.

03-31-2020, 09:14 PM	#25
Bob Ross Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 4,793	Beautiful card. Regardless of what you do with it it is an incredible pick up. I need in your FB groups!