Is Jasson Dominguez baseball's Zion?

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 07:15 AM

Anyone else see Jasson Dominguez shaping up to mirror Zion Williamson in basketball? Watching his early market makes me feel like this is the basketball market. When First Edition was pending, people thought $100 would be crazy for a paper base card. Then $150 would be crazy for a paper base card. The last auction went for $261. Granted, its a new release, but still. That is absolutely bonkers. I think he may be the perfect storm if he produces in the minors:

1) Yankees Prospect
2) 17 Years Old
3) Scouts say he has as all-field power already.
4) Scouts also say at 16 years old he was matching the power of some players already in the middle of big league lineups.
5) Personality. From what I have read he seems to be a standup guy.

I respect the Yankees, but can't stand to see them succeed. This kid may take our already crazy hobby to all new heights. Thoughts?

KhalDrogo · 05-03-2020, 07:22 AM

No. Zion went from hype to HYPE when he got back on the court and we had a stream of ridiculous highlights to watch over and over again. Jasson won't give you that in the minors, and he's still 3-4 years away from making it to the majors.

Acuna was baseball's Zion before there was Zion. Wander has a better chance to be that next guy than Jasson, and is looking dirt cheap in comparison.

LC2nine10 · 05-03-2020, 07:24 AM

Inside baseball sure.
For the common public, i doubt it.
So much of zions hype came from being seen nightly on highlight reels before he was drafted.
I rarely see MiLB highlights in espn.

Harper was the only prospect i remember ever getting that much coverage before the majors. Dude was literally everywhere.

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LC2nine10

For the common public, i doubt it.

That is the biggest hurdle for the overall market. Baseball has a hard time with marketing its stars, let alone its pre-stars. But for everyone already in the hobby, that does know about him. Will he carry us to new heights?

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Acuna was baseball's Zion before there was Zion.

Acuna wasn't the same projected type of prospect though. He exploded once on the scene, but he didn't have the same hype. I am a very close follower of Braves prospects. He got almost no attention in 2015. Very little in 2016. And the majority of the hobby didn't even start paying attention till about half way through 2017. If memory serves me correctly, I believe Arizona even passed up on signing him originally because he wanted $100,000.

rngrdanny22 · 05-03-2020, 07:32 AM

Remember, this guy could be the next Acuna!

... or the next Maitan.

Triple B · 05-03-2020, 07:33 AM

Dominguez won’t have the Asian market going nuts for his cards. Stupid prices like this will solely be from people here in NA buying the hype.

KhalDrogo · 05-03-2020, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Acuna wasn't the same projected type of prospect though. He exploded once on the scene, but he didn't have the same hype. I am a very close follower of Braves prospects. He got almost no attention in 2015. Very little in 2016. And the majority of the hobby didn't even start paying attention till about half way through 2017. If memory serves me correctly, I believe Arizona even passed up on signing him originally because he wanted $100,000.

I’m talking about what he did in the summer of 2019. That run took Acuna’s hobby status to the next level. Same as Zion did when he returned to the court.

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m talking about what he did in the summer of 2019. That run took Acuna’s hobby status to the next level. Same as Zion did when he returned to the court.

Agree completely, and I think that market is still only going up. Vladdy was on his way to those levels before he came out flat last year with average production. I think my point was more geared towards climbing to even higher heights. Who can do it? From prospect status to production status in the bigs. You have to have the elements in place such as team, age, skill set, personality, etc.

rngrdanny22 · 05-03-2020, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Agree completely, and I think that market is still only going up. Vladdy was on his way to those levels before he came out flat last year with average production. I think my point was more geared towards climbing to even higher heights. Who can do it? From prospect status to production status in the bigs. You have to have the elements in place such as team, age, skill set, personality, etc.

The crazy part about Vladdy is that his prices are still strong. If he comes out raking, watch out.

doowopbruce · 05-03-2020, 07:52 AM

Wonder how this kid and Wander Franco will do against big league pitching. Will they live up to the hype? At least Franco has hit minor league pitching. This kid hasn't done anything yet and guys are ready to spend thousands on him.

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

The crazy part about Vladdy is that his prices are still strong. If he comes out raking, watch out.

Oh I know. The ball is in his court. The hobby wants him to be good. He can literally go from one extreme to the other depending on if he takes care of himself or not. I see him as being one of the most dominate and hobby loved guys of this era. And I can also see him eating himself out of baseball within a few years if things don't fall into place. I don't think anyone or anything around him will decide that. It will all be on his shoulders.

Absknicks · 05-03-2020, 08:05 AM

In terms of future professional success, a 17-year-old in baseball is so much less projectable than an 18/19 year old in basketball that I’d caution people about drawing such a comparison.

rfgilles · 05-03-2020, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

Wonder how this kid and Wander Franco will do against big league pitching. Will they live up to the hype? At least Franco has hit minor league pitching. This kid hasn't done anything yet and guys are ready to spend thousands on him.

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mlc3423 · 05-03-2020, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Oh I know. The ball is in his court. The hobby wants him to be good. He can literally go from one extreme to the other depending on if he takes care of himself or not. I see him as being one of the most dominate and hobby loved guys of this era. And I can also see him eating himself out of baseball within a few years if things don't fall into place. I don't think anyone or anything around him will decide that. It will all be on his shoulders.

The more i see of Vladdy the more i think of Prince Fielder.....And i like Vladdy

AnthonyCorona · 05-03-2020, 08:35 AM

To non hardcore baseball people I doubt Trout is on Zion level. My dad doesn’t watch sports and asked me if i watched that huge new basketball player

Edit: he saw him on Spanish news

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rfgilles · 05-03-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mlc3423

The more i see of Vladdy the more i think of Prince Fielder.....And i like Vladdy

Prince Fielder was having a great career before the injuries.

Archimedes · 05-03-2020, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

Dominguez won’t have the Asian market going nuts for his cards. Stupid prices like this will solely be from people here in NA buying the hype.

This is key. Asian markets drive basketball. We simply won't see anything similar in baseball without such hyped demand.

rngrdanny22 · 05-03-2020, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

Prince Fielder was having a great career before the injuries.

Agreed. Would have cleared 500 HRs with ease and put up 50 at 23 yrs old.

rasputinx · 05-03-2020, 08:48 AM

By its nature, the NBA is a hype machine. It also plays out well to Europe, Asia, and Australia. Those factors increase Zion's card values. Also, he had a bunch of build up waiting for his debut.

But:he's missed 44 of 63 regular season games. He's carrying around 300lbs. on a 6'6" frame (albeit built like a tank). There haven't been too many players of his size ever and I can't get a sense as to whether or not his body will hold up. And for all of his strength and jumping ability, he's averaging less than 7 rebounds a game. I am staying away from his stuff.

Where Jasson has the upper hand with other baseball players is the Yankees brand. The most collectible team in baseball (or maybe all of sports). Acuna is better and plays for another collectible team. Trout is a generational player but if he played for the Yankees, his stuff would be that much more valuable.

Vlad Jr. is a few cheeseburgers from 1st base and a box of donuts away from DH. Stupendous talent but a 80 rating in eating can bring anyone back to Earth.

I'm a Yankees fan but this hype for Jasson is a bit overblown. That being said, I hope I pull his card from a pack of 1st Edition.

--Jeff

AwesomeBrian · 05-03-2020, 08:49 AM

I doubt the market for that card would be the same had every release been on time the last month. We'd be knee deep in his regular Bowman and a paper 1st Edition base card would be barely more than an afterthought, or just a cheap alternative to his Chrome base card

thenightman · 05-03-2020, 09:00 AM

Yes, you better get all of his cards immediately. I'm gonna go buy a crap load of Panini and Leaf right now!!!!

mlc3423 · 05-03-2020, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

Prince Fielder was having a great career before the injuries.

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Agreed. Would have cleared 500 HRs with ease and put up 50 at 23 yrs old.

Both great points....Just giving an example....I liked Prince Fielder as well.....

premium1981 · 05-03-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

I'm gonna go buy a crap load of Panini and Leaf right now!!!!

Ewwww, gross!

reddragonthe · 05-03-2020, 09:36 AM

1. It's bonkers for a new prospect and hype. I agree. But until we're out of the "WHO ELSE DIDN'T GET THEIR TRACKING?!?" phase of the MSRP direct sale, and at least see some volume listed, I wouldn't think much of the price. If it's at $250 in a week and we've had a couple hundred sold at that level... then we can talk about comparisons.

2. With 30 sales, its quite easily people THINKING it could be Zion hype. Not actual Zion hype. FOMO is real with greed. None of us want to miss out. Doesn't take too many uneducated and naive buyers to hit 40 sales at this level. Heck - that's still a pretty cheap buy-in if you are hoarding some product and want to drive box sales. 40 x 250 = 10,000. Risk is maybe half that given what everyone is saying (you can unload the cards you buy later)... so risk is 5,000. If you have even 50 boxes you grabbed for $500 per and you can drive the price of boxes to 700 with a little hype, you've more than covered your risk. I don't know this actually happened - but we're hyping a market with a VERY low volume of movement considering there will be 12,000 of these base cards.

3. Could he get Zion hype? yes. He's a yankee. But I'd say at this level that expectation is pretty well priced in. Acuna is pretty special. You can get a PSA 10 2017 Bowman Acuna for $150. At some point shiny newness wears off and the market will even things out. These aren't too many years apart. I think it suggests either this is coming down or that Acuna is still a steal at $150.

05-03-2020, 07:15 AM	#1
premium1981 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,492	Is Jasson Dominguez baseball's Zion? Anyone else see Jasson Dominguez shaping up to mirror Zion Williamson in basketball? Watching his early market makes me feel like this is the basketball market. When First Edition was pending, people thought $100 would be crazy for a paper base card. Then $150 would be crazy for a paper base card. The last auction went for $261. Granted, its a new release, but still. That is absolutely bonkers. I think he may be the perfect storm if he produces in the minors: 1) Yankees Prospect 2) 17 Years Old 3) Scouts say he has as all-field power already. 4) Scouts also say at 16 years old he was matching the power of some players already in the middle of big league lineups. 5) Personality. From what I have read he seems to be a standup guy. I respect the Yankees, but can't stand to see them succeed. This kid may take our already crazy hobby to all new heights. Thoughts?

05-03-2020, 07:22 AM	#2
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,426	No. Zion went from hype to HYPE when he got back on the court and we had a stream of ridiculous highlights to watch over and over again. Jasson won't give you that in the minors, and he's still 3-4 years away from making it to the majors. Acuna was baseball's Zion before there was Zion. Wander has a better chance to be that next guy than Jasson, and is looking dirt cheap in comparison. __________________ I love PSA!

05-03-2020, 07:33 AM	#7
Triple B Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,266	Dominguez won’t have the Asian market going nuts for his cards. Stupid prices like this will solely be from people here in NA buying the hype. __________________ Wanted Dead or Alive! 1. 1997 Bowman's Best Jose Cruz, Jr Atomic Refractor Autograph 2. 1997 SPx Jose Cruz, Jr. Grand Finale /50

05-03-2020, 08:35 AM	#16
AnthonyCorona Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 11,495 bwoodcollector	Is Jasson Dominguez baseball's Zion? To non hardcore baseball people I doubt Trout is on Zion level. My dad doesn’t watch sports and asked me if i watched that huge new basketball player Edit: he saw him on Spanish news Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Julio better

05-03-2020, 08:48 AM	#20
rasputinx Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Fresno Posts: 68 sankofasportscards	Pumping the brakes a bit on Zion By its nature, the NBA is a hype machine. It also plays out well to Europe, Asia, and Australia. Those factors increase Zion's card values. Also, he had a bunch of build up waiting for his debut. But:he's missed 44 of 63 regular season games. He's carrying around 300lbs. on a 6'6" frame (albeit built like a tank). There haven't been too many players of his size ever and I can't get a sense as to whether or not his body will hold up. And for all of his strength and jumping ability, he's averaging less than 7 rebounds a game. I am staying away from his stuff. Where Jasson has the upper hand with other baseball players is the Yankees brand. The most collectible team in baseball (or maybe all of sports). Acuna is better and plays for another collectible team. Trout is a generational player but if he played for the Yankees, his stuff would be that much more valuable. Vlad Jr. is a few cheeseburgers from 1st base and a box of donuts away from DH. Stupendous talent but a 80 rating in eating can bring anyone back to Earth. I'm a Yankees fan but this hype for Jasson is a bit overblown. That being said, I hope I pull his card from a pack of 1st Edition. --Jeff

05-03-2020, 07:24 AM	#3
LC2nine10 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Fayetteville Posts: 2,835	Inside baseball sure. For the common public, i doubt it. So much of zions hype came from being seen nightly on highlight reels before he was drafted. I rarely see MiLB highlights in espn. Harper was the only prospect i remember ever getting that much coverage before the majors. Dude was literally everywhere.

05-03-2020, 07:32 AM	#6
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	Remember, this guy could be the next Acuna! ... or the next Maitan.

05-03-2020, 07:52 AM	#11
doowopbruce Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Long Island Posts: 2,024 doowopbruce	Wonder how this kid and Wander Franco will do against big league pitching. Will they live up to the hype? At least Franco has hit minor league pitching. This kid hasn't done anything yet and guys are ready to spend thousands on him.

05-03-2020, 08:05 AM	#13
Absknicks Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 456	In terms of future professional success, a 17-year-old in baseball is so much less projectable than an 18/19 year old in basketball that I’d caution people about drawing such a comparison.

05-03-2020, 08:49 AM	#21
AwesomeBrian Temporarily Suspended Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NE O-H-I-O Posts: 6,011	I doubt the market for that card would be the same had every release been on time the last month. We'd be knee deep in his regular Bowman and a paper 1st Edition base card would be barely more than an afterthought, or just a cheap alternative to his Chrome base card

05-03-2020, 09:00 AM	#22
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,788	Yes, you better get all of his cards immediately. I'm gonna go buy a crap load of Panini and Leaf right now!!!!

05-03-2020, 09:36 AM	#25
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	1. It's bonkers for a new prospect and hype. I agree. But until we're out of the "WHO ELSE DIDN'T GET THEIR TRACKING?!?" phase of the MSRP direct sale, and at least see some volume listed, I wouldn't think much of the price. If it's at $250 in a week and we've had a couple hundred sold at that level... then we can talk about comparisons. 2. With 30 sales, its quite easily people THINKING it could be Zion hype. Not actual Zion hype. FOMO is real with greed. None of us want to miss out. Doesn't take too many uneducated and naive buyers to hit 40 sales at this level. Heck - that's still a pretty cheap buy-in if you are hoarding some product and want to drive box sales. 40 x 250 = 10,000. Risk is maybe half that given what everyone is saying (you can unload the cards you buy later)... so risk is 5,000. If you have even 50 boxes you grabbed for $500 per and you can drive the price of boxes to 700 with a little hype, you've more than covered your risk. I don't know this actually happened - but we're hyping a market with a VERY low volume of movement considering there will be 12,000 of these base cards. 3. Could he get Zion hype? yes. He's a yankee. But I'd say at this level that expectation is pretty well priced in. Acuna is pretty special. You can get a PSA 10 2017 Bowman Acuna for $150. At some point shiny newness wears off and the market will even things out. These aren't too many years apart. I think it suggests either this is coming down or that Acuna is still a steal at $150.