Card Ladder vs Market Movers

[junkwaxera]

ZiggyNo shows footage of using both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo5Slzr8yIg

[Pollard7]

Thanks for posting this!

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[ninjacookies]

I didn't like his lack of gann fib extensions and saw not one trace of hidden volume divergence analysis.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I didn't like his lack of gann fib extensions and saw not one trace of hidden volume divergence analysis.

I'm out then

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I'm out then

Always good to see a fellow investerboi with discerning taste.

[vamz]

Just be aware guys, the person making this video is the moderator of the Sports Cards Investor FB group and I think also has other roles working for Sports Cards Investor.

ie, he is heavily biased.

Sports Card Investor owns the Market Movers tool.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by junkwaxera

ZiggyNo shows footage of using both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo5Slzr8yIg

This guy lost all credibility to me when he said that 2017 LeBron Courtside Silver is not going to worth $100 and is not very shortprinted.


To sum up how I felt when I heard him say that:

[sweat47]

Originally Posted by tjforce

This guy lost all credibility to me when he said that 2017 LeBron Courtside Silver is not going to worth $100 and is not very shortprinted.


To sum up how I felt when I heard him say that:

Hahaha, my thoughts exactly.


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[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by tjforce

This guy lost all credibility to me when he said that 2017 LeBron Courtside Silver is not going to worth $100 and is not very shortprinted.


To sum up how I felt when I heard him say that:

I agree those select court sides are rarer then Prizm and won’t drop to $100 but I think his point was that predicted value field is an absolute conflict of interest/fraud.

I am sure the Predicted value algorithm has a x2 for any cards the creators and their friends have inventory of and you will never be able to convince me otherwise.

Does anyone think the cards the creators are targeting to buy are going to have a predicted value higher then the market value??

Not until they are done buying them.

Just another SCI trying to make money off of the hobby which is fine more power to them but they they shouldn’t be looked at like they are trying to help the hobby and create a “game changer” for us they are trying to make $.

[vamz]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

I am sure the Predicted value algorithm has a x2 for any cards the creators and their friends have inventory of and you will never be able to convince me otherwise.

Does anyone think the cards the creators are targeting to buy are going to have a predicted value higher then the market value??

lol

take off your tin foil hat.

[mindcycle]

Just lmk how I skip to the part detailing the Anythony “A Beast” Bennett bass prizm pump. Dude was a #1 pick after all so it’s gotta be coming soon. Traded my stash of Giannis for A Beast and Nate Wolters. Need to recoup so I can diversify my portfolio with some Quinndary Weatherspoon silvers.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by vamz

lol

take off your tin foil hat.

I’ll consider it.

Keep buying what other people tell you should buy.



See how that works out for you.


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[vamz]

They aren't telling people what to buy.

It's a tool that people can use when making their own decisions.

Anyone blindly using any tool, be it this or market movers will prob not do particularly well. But having more information when assessing buying decisions is a good thing.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by vamz

They aren't telling people what to buy.

It's a tool that people can use when making their own decisions.

Anyone blindly using any tool, be it this or market movers will prob not do particularly well. But having more information when assessing buying decisions is a good thing.

Fair enough. As long as people just don’t blindly buy based on that is my point.

[vamz]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

Fair enough. As long as people just don’t blindly buy based on that is my point.

i agree with you there.

[junkwaxera]

I personally prefer to support Card Ladder over SCI. Card Ladder is from Cardboard Chronicles and House of Jordans whereas SCI is someone in one of his most recent youtube comments says he manages a few million dollar companies. Plus SCI charges way too much and is basically stealing Card Ladder's idea to add to his tool. I'm going with the underdog and feel they will likely have a lot of features to add down the road like any other software.

[Sutantoj]

I heard slabstox comes up with this kinda thing as well and it is free ?

[Bruin7]

I've been doing this for 30+ years; he's too late buying Herro at under $14. Not because of the price...rather the only 'safe' period to purchase Prizm/Optic rookies are upon initial release. You're dealing with too many 'filtered/inspected' cards months down the road. I'm not in it do get PSA 9s to make a few bucks after grading. He may think its ok but that's an incredible waste of time given how long PSA takes on bulk.

Now can you get lucky and find 10s on eBay? Sure I do all the time because I know to look at the seller's other items. I can lean my judgement one way or the other based on what I see. Its usually a 90% pass but I find raw gems all the time. Do I really need to pay someone to figure things out myself???

[heatdawg]

I will take the free service out of the 3, I think it's cool what MarketMovers and CardLadder are doing but they took the wrong approach. Just like investing, long game wins.

[YeahBuddy]

I personally cant find the value at $15 a month as I'm not much of a reseller, $5 a month would be more my level simply for support and occasional usage.

I've been listening to HOJ podcast for some time now, and they are legit collectors and each of the 3 bring something unique to the table. I've been thoroughly impressed with the analytics for some time now. He is no slouch.

I'm rooting for them regardless. Josh at cardboard chronicles youtube has been good too as he's a pretty good interviewer and very active.

Coming from other hobby's with less content besides forums, I think these types of people are incredibly underappreciated. With as much free content they put out, lord forbid they create something to put something in their pocket. I had hoped their would have been an ad version as I'd rather support with viewing ads on site for the little that I'd use it.

[heatdawg]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

I personally cant find the value at $15 a month as I'm not much of a reseller, $5 a month would be more my level simply for support and occasional usage.

I've been listening to HOJ podcast for some time now, and they are legit collectors and each of the 3 bring something unique to the table. I've been thoroughly impressed with the analytics for some time now. He is no slouch.

I'm rooting for them regardless. Josh at cardboard chronicles youtube has been good too as he's a pretty good interviewer and very active.

Coming from other hobby's with less content besides forums, I think these types of people are incredibly underappreciated. With as much free content they put out, lord forbid they create something to put something in their pocket. I had hoped their would have been an ad version as I'd rather support with viewing ads on site for the little that I'd use it.

I agree, I follow both of their podcasts as well, that is why I was extremely disappointed when I found out it wasn't going to be a free product. I am a budget collector so paying for a service is not adequate for me, but the bigger reasoning would be their model could easily be reproduced as a free product and I really wanted them to succeed at the top. If done right, I see slabstox free tool just being a much better value in the end.

[SupermanBrandon]

Personally, I would make this service as cheap as possible or even FREE to subscribers. FREE = the most hobby love. Guys are cheap and Guys are suspicious. Long Game (imo) is hobby credibility. Build your community, then sell advertising! Make your money off of the card companies, the forums, supply guys, other business in the hobby, etc. And then later on make tiers. More access = a fee. But you need hobby credibility first, or do you don't have a long game!

[RyanMW]

I know nothing about Card Ladder other than Chris from HOJ has been promoting it. That said, Geoff from Sports Investor has a bit of the snake oil salesman vibe. He also isn't a fan of the sport, from what I can tell, which I guess isn't necessary to collecting cards, but kind of irks me. People who have gotten into the hobby purely for investing purposes and profit are kind of lame.

[dgbarnes]

Originally Posted by RyanMW

I know nothing about Card Ladder other than Chris from HOJ has been promoting it. That said, Geoff from Sports Investor has a bit of the snake oil salesman vibe. He also isn't a fan of the sport, from what I can tell, which I guess isn't necessary to collecting cards, but kind of irks me. People who have gotten into the hobby purely for investing purposes and profit are kind of lame.

How is he not a fan of the sport? The sport of collecting? He's talked about how he used to collect as a child numerous times.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Personally, I would make this service as cheap as possible or even FREE to subscribers. FREE = the most hobby love. Guys are cheap and Guys are suspicious. Long Game (imo) is hobby credibility. Build your community, then sell advertising! Make your money off of the card companies, the forums, supply guys, other business in the hobby, etc. And then later on make tiers. More access = a fee. But you need hobby credibility first, or do you don't have a long game!

Free with tiered subscription levels. Get your player/team collectors to do the db entry for you for obscure "non" hype cards. I don't know about you, but i'm not going to pay $15/mo just to enter all my Laphoso Eliis cards into the site.. lol Otherwise it's just seems like a platform to pump up already pumped cards, and the claim that Card ladder will be anything other than a slightly different marker movers tool is pretty much correct, right?

Idk.. I've seen both now and besides the articles and such on card ladder they both look kinda the same to me. If you're into hype cards either is probably fine. But neither is replacing that old school Beckett feel without a way to look at ALL cards, not just the top 100 or whatever.