An 8.5 centering?

[jcmel323]

How this card got a 8.5 in centering?

(not my card)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-08-Top...p2047675.l2557

[SamAxe51]

top to bottom... it's pretty far off.

[jrd1436]

Originally Posted by SamAxe51

top to bottom... it's pretty far off.

I agree...left to right is fine but top to bottom is way off.

[SuperCoolBeas]

Originally Posted by SamAxe51

top to bottom... it's pretty far off.

This. Without even opening, "top to bottom" is usually the answer to this question. (one lesson I've learned the hard way, myself).

[jcmel323]

cant see what you guys are seeing lol
someone explain

[aggie4ever]

Look at the four squares in each corner. Then measure from the outside of the squares to the edge. The top border is about 50% larger than the bottom border.

[SuperCoolBeas]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

cant see what you guys are seeing lol
someone explain

Actually...I kinda see where you're coming from. I think this one is more of a matter of BGS being a lot tougher on centering than PSA. 2007-08 Topps Chrome PSA 10's don't look worlds different than the top to bottom centering on this one.

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[discodanman45]

That card has the centering of a PSA 8 to 9, which is exactly what a 8.5 grade should be. I measured from the picture and I got a 37/63 up and down centering. It is off by quite a bit.

[Diakonos]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

How this card got a 8.5 in centering?

(not my card)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-08-Top...p2047675.l2557

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

Look at the four squares in each corner. Then measure from the outside of the squares to the edge. The top border is about 50% larger than the bottom border.

you have to understand centering isn't just based on the front of the card but also the back of the card as well. centering is really tough on this card in particular because of the four squares on each corner. aggie4ever alludes to it. each of those have to be equally distant from each other in addition to the boarder around the card.

if you look closely the picture is also slightly rotated clockwise. you can see the gap between the picture and the squares on the right is less than on the bottom left side. also there's a very slight difference between right / left too. and that's just the front. at a quick glance the back has a pretty noticeable top / bottom issue and the glare in the top back right corner doesn't help you inspect it thoroughly.

[SuperCoolBeas]

Ah interesting. I couldnt even notice the clockwise rotation. V good eye. I thought the back looked off too, but then compared it to a PSA 10, and didn't see much difference. Here's a 10 for comparison itt.



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[mjohnatgt]

PSA allows up to 75/25 centering on the back of a PSA 10. So just looking at PSA slabs won't explain a lot about how BGS grades, since this aspect is much different. (Except for the slanted and miscut BGS 8s they gave to this set...even when cards from this set are found with centered backs)

1992 Topps - Stadium of Stars Hobby Media #BOCO - Bob Costas [BGS 8 NM‑MT]
Courtesy of COMC.com

I don't think the card in the OP is slanted; that's more of an issue with the scan and how the card sits in the slab. But the T/B centering is like 65/35 and that's what got the low centering grade.

[Diakonos]

Originally Posted by SuperCoolBeas

Ah interesting. I couldnt even notice the clockwise rotation. V good eye. I thought the back looked off too, but then compared it to a PSA 10, and didn't see much difference. Here's a 10 for comparison itt.



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yea you have to take comps with a grain of salt. there's a lot of variables in play. over the year's ive seen plenty of psa 10s that looked worse than my psa 9. at the end of the day grading is subjective by the human that's grading it. you're at their mercy of interpretation. nonetheless looking at comps will generally help you train your eye what to look for. after submitting it you just need to pray to the sportcard god's to get a good grade.

on top of all that there's plenty of fraud going in the card grading industry that's well documented on this forum. i find it hilarious how people take the time to research a card that went from a bgs 8.5 to a psa 10 in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

PSA allows up to 75/25 centering on the back of a PSA 10. So just looking at PSA slabs won't explain a lot about how BGS grades, since this aspect is much different. (Except for the slanted and miscut BGS 8s they gave to this set...even when cards from this set are found with centered backs)

1992 Topps - Stadium of Stars Hobby Media #BOCO - Bob Costas [BGS 8 NM‑MT]
Courtesy of COMC.com

I don't think the card in the OP is slanted; that's more of an issue with the scan and how the card sits in the slab. But the T/B centering is like 65/35 and that's what got the low centering grade.

you're right. it may not be rotated but either way we dont know for sure since we can't see the card in person. it was just something i noticed based on the picture provided and having several of these cards over the years... many of them are rotated.

you'll also have to consider grading tendencies evolve and change over time. i wouldn't say there's really a stedfast on anything. there's a lot of talk right now that PSA recently shifted and is grading harder now. i don't have any facts to back that up but when there's a lot of people noticing it on their recent submissions than there has to be some truth behind it.

[cking]

And yet this one gets a 9.5 centering? And you guys trust this company?