Politics effecting card prices ?

win1977 · 08-09-2020, 09:13 AM

Hello everyone,

I don't want to make this a political post. But with all the politics being woven into the NBA right now and low ratings will this effect basketball prices long term ?

In my business I keep the politics out and try accept everyone's business, but there are folks out there who have really strong beliefs about their political stances.

Thoughts ?

lietuvalabas · 08-09-2020, 09:17 AM

i think the low ratings by and large are due to these games looking like summer league, its almost painful to watch. There will be people who won't watch because of other reasons, but i think it's less likely in basketball than if they started doing this more during football, baseball, especially hockey. basketball fans are usually for this type of movement.

all i know is the only color that matters to me in cards is green...

MBMiller25 · 08-09-2020, 09:20 AM

I’m not trying to be a jerk, but WHO Cares? I don’t want my sports inner woven with politics and wish our politicians would stay out of it as well. You would think they would be focused on the greater problems this country has than getting political with Sports.

KhalDrogo · 08-09-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MBMiller25

I’m not trying to be a jerk, but WHO Cares? I don’t want my sports inner woven with politics and wish our politicians would stay out of it as well. You would think they would be focused on the greater problems this country has than getting political with Sports.

Amen!

I don't care what the players do. Just give me the basketball games. I appreciate everything the league and players have done to produce an A+ product.

smalltown · 08-09-2020, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

i think the low ratings by and large are due to these games looking like summer league, its almost painful to watch.

I don’t think that’s the case. More so that the games are being played during the summer. People have other things they’d rather do then watch tv during the nice weather. Ratings for nearly everything drop in the summer. It’s why networks traditionally don’t release new shows till the fall. I know personally I’ve only watched one day time game in full - and I’m a basketball junkie.

imbluestreak23 · 08-09-2020, 09:38 AM

The only way politics will effect cards is:

1) Indirect impact due to economic conditions set by government leaders
2) General clecting public disagreeing w/ their stars social stances

For flipping, I could care less.

For clecting, I like Luka, Giannis, and Patty. Two of those aren't American so that makes me automatically unpatriotic.

win1977 · 08-09-2020, 09:49 AM

Thanks for the feedback, it's interesting cause I know some collectors in Hong Kong who dumped everything Lebron, they don't care about the money but they hate the fact that he stands with their "enemy". I get what they are saying, but I personally keep the politics out of it.

As for the ratings, I think it might be more than seasonal. Just stating the obvious and the games do look like summer league games.

wrp1989 · 08-09-2020, 09:50 AM

This!!

wrp1989 · 08-09-2020, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MBMiller25

I’m not trying to be a jerk, but WHO Cares? I don’t want my sports inner woven with politics and wish our politicians would stay out of it as well. You would think they would be focused on the greater problems this country has than getting political with Sports.

This!!

Schmoove · 08-09-2020, 09:59 AM

The NBA under Adam Silver has always been supportive of social justice movements this isn’t anything new. I would bet that most people who would have a problem with the NBA BLM signage etc probably weren’t watching anyways and the people who do are probably a small % of fans.

Ratings will pickup once the playoffs start.

Ober12 · 08-09-2020, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmoove

The NBA under Adam Silver has always been supportive of social justice movements this isn’t anything new. I would bet that most people who would have a problem with the NBA BLM signage etc probably weren’t watching anyways and the people who do are probably a small % of fans.

Ratings will pickup once the playoffs start.

Yea, if you're an active basketball fan and you disagree with the political views being expressed by the NBA, what are you going to do, start watching the Euroleague instead? I doubt those people won't be tuning in during the finals and the playoffs

hauntedcomputer · 08-09-2020, 10:36 AM

You could argue that politics has effed up postal service and the shipping of cards. I don't think the NBA social actions have had any effect on card prices, because the people who are offended by something weren't watching or buying cards anyway, especially the NBA. As Michael Jordan said, "Republicans buy graded bass rookies, too."

win1977 · 08-09-2020, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ober12

Yea, if you're an active basketball fan and you disagree with the political views being expressed by the NBA, what are you going to do, start watching the Euroleague instead? I doubt those people won't be tuning in during the finals and the playoffs

I get what you are saying but maybe they just won't watch basketball ? Maybe they will go watch another sport or do something else ?

It's just in a business such as cards there needs to be legit bids (debatable) but if a certain population get turned off, the long term viability at this level may not be sustained.

the mesiah · 08-09-2020, 10:47 AM

I Couldn’t cAre less About BLM, ALM, GLM, ABC,,WWF, and all the alphabet groups , both teams play hard and all players just play good Solid basketball ball and I’ll buy cards ..

6celtics33 · 08-09-2020, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by the mesiah

I Couldn’t cAre less About BLM, ALM, GLM, ABC,,WWF, and all the alphabet groups , both teams play hard and all players just play good Solid basketball ball and I’ll buy cards ..

You’re a true fan like me

the mesiah · 08-09-2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

You’re a true fan like me

Haha, yes sir !

allstarcomics · 08-09-2020, 10:52 AM

NFL was affected cant see how the NBA would be any different. Anytime I turn on ESPN chances are half the content will be social change driven commentary. Some folks just want a escape and some sports entertainment without any politics.

6celtics33 · 08-09-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by allstarcomics

NFL was affected cant see how the NBA would be any different. Anytime I turn on ESPN chances are half the content will be social change driven commentary. Some folks just want a escape and some sports entertainment without any politics.

You’re still watching espn, that’s your first mistake

imbluestreak23 · 08-09-2020, 10:55 AM

Agree YT > ESPN circa 2016

babyfaceposey · 08-09-2020, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ober12

Yea, if you're an active basketball fan and you disagree with the political views being expressed by the NBA, what are you going to do, start watching the Euroleague instead? I doubt those people won't be tuning in during the finals and the playoffs

Just stop watching sports all together like I did. I will spend my money on other things. Like playing golf and fishing. To think the politcal talk is not going to effect the NBA market is asanine. Look at the NFL for reference. This will hurt the NBA's income.

sethc1020 · 08-09-2020, 10:57 AM

I personally dont think bringing attention to inequality in this country is the same as politics.

win1977 · 08-09-2020, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by the mesiah

I Couldn’t cAre less About BLM, ALM, GLM, ABC,,WWF, and all the alphabet groups , both teams play hard and all players just play good Solid basketball ball and I’ll buy cards ..

Hey, don't knock wrestling !

Chris P · 08-09-2020, 11:06 AM

If you're going to let it bother you than it's going to bother you. I guess I've been too entrenched in the game to even listen to commentary most of the time. Like last night's game, honest question, were the hitting you over the head with it? Do they even still show the kneeling before the game like they were the first couple of games? The only thing that is really noticable is the jerseys, but it doesn't take anything away for me. I'm still enjoying it and last night's game was amazing.

allstarcomics · 08-09-2020, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

You’re still watching espn, that’s your first mistake

its on all the sports networks I've switched to podcasts for sports entertainment and often will mute live games

the mesiah · 08-09-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by win1977

Hey, don't knock wrestling !

I’m old school ..I’m talking before The Mean Gene days of rassling ,

08-09-2020, 09:13 AM	#1
win1977 Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 119	Politics effecting card prices ? Hello everyone, I don't want to make this a political post. But with all the politics being woven into the NBA right now and low ratings will this effect basketball prices long term ? In my business I keep the politics out and try accept everyone's business, but there are folks out there who have really strong beliefs about their political stances. Thoughts ?

08-09-2020, 09:38 AM	#6
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 18,172 shortslabs	The only way politics will effect cards is: 1) Indirect impact due to economic conditions set by government leaders 2) General clecting public disagreeing w/ their stars social stances For flipping, I could care less. For clecting, I like Luka, Giannis, and Patty. Two of those aren't American so that makes me automatically unpatriotic. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

08-09-2020, 10:36 AM	#12
hauntedcomputer Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: NC mountains Posts: 1,097 hauntedcomputer	You could argue that politics has effed up postal service and the shipping of cards. I don't think the NBA social actions have had any effect on card prices, because the people who are offended by something weren't watching or buying cards anyway, especially the NBA. As Michael Jordan said, "Republicans buy graded bass rookies, too." __________________ +++ The market is always right, even when it's dumb. More cards are overgraded than undergraded. Change my mind.

08-09-2020, 10:47 AM	#14
the mesiah Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,847	I Couldn’t cAre less About BLM, ALM, GLM, ABC,,WWF, and all the alphabet groups , both teams play hard and all players just play good Solid basketball ball and I’ll buy cards .. __________________ THE CARD/MEMORABILIA COLLECTION https://www.flickr.com/photos/149024462@N04/albums/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/196556801@N02/albums/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/196511489@N05/albums/

08-09-2020, 10:55 AM	#19
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 18,172 shortslabs	Agree YT > ESPN circa 2016 __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

08-09-2020, 09:17 AM	#2
lietuvalabas Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,360	i think the low ratings by and large are due to these games looking like summer league, its almost painful to watch. There will be people who won't watch because of other reasons, but i think it's less likely in basketball than if they started doing this more during football, baseball, especially hockey. basketball fans are usually for this type of movement. all i know is the only color that matters to me in cards is green...

08-09-2020, 09:20 AM	#3
MBMiller25 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: NC Posts: 979	I’m not trying to be a jerk, but WHO Cares? I don’t want my sports inner woven with politics and wish our politicians would stay out of it as well. You would think they would be focused on the greater problems this country has than getting political with Sports.

08-09-2020, 09:49 AM	#7
win1977 Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 119	Thanks for the feedback, it's interesting cause I know some collectors in Hong Kong who dumped everything Lebron, they don't care about the money but they hate the fact that he stands with their "enemy". I get what they are saying, but I personally keep the politics out of it. As for the ratings, I think it might be more than seasonal. Just stating the obvious and the games do look like summer league games.

08-09-2020, 09:50 AM	#8
wrp1989 Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 218	This!!

08-09-2020, 09:59 AM	#10
Schmoove Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: 301 Posts: 595	The NBA under Adam Silver has always been supportive of social justice movements this isn’t anything new. I would bet that most people who would have a problem with the NBA BLM signage etc probably weren’t watching anyways and the people who do are probably a small % of fans. Ratings will pickup once the playoffs start.

08-09-2020, 10:52 AM	#17
allstarcomics Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: gainesville florida, usa Posts: 346	NFL was affected cant see how the NBA would be any different. Anytime I turn on ESPN chances are half the content will be social change driven commentary. Some folks just want a escape and some sports entertainment without any politics.

08-09-2020, 10:57 AM	#21
sethc1020 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,774 sethc_1020	I personally dont think bringing attention to inequality in this country is the same as politics. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/gp/151086784@N06/28H47r

08-09-2020, 11:06 AM	#23
Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15,348	If you're going to let it bother you than it's going to bother you. I guess I've been too entrenched in the game to even listen to commentary most of the time. Like last night's game, honest question, were the hitting you over the head with it? Do they even still show the kneeling before the game like they were the first couple of games? The only thing that is really noticable is the jerseys, but it doesn't take anything away for me. I'm still enjoying it and last night's game was amazing.