Questionable LeBron Rookie??

RookieAddict · 09-10-2020, 02:53 PM

Looking to get some opinions on my Fleer LeBron Rookie. Recently purchased from a friend who bought it raw on eBay and sent to PSA himself. I have owned a ton of Lebron, wade etc 03 fleer Rookies and none have looked off to me. I have never seen one with thin borders like the one i have now. The quality of the image is really grainy, card stock looks off, color looks off and how sharp the edges looks off to me. Basically looks like it was printed by someone at home. I have included some pics of mine and some images of reprints and real ones that i have pulled from eBay. I am not to the type to question stuff like this but this card just looks so off to me i have to ask the boards. Am i blind or could this be a reprint?

Mine -

Others i have pulled pics from eBay-

Fleer's that are advertised as reprints-

3124508 on COMC · 09-10-2020, 02:56 PM

Being fake aside, it’s cut so badly it shouldn’t have been graded either.

sonic311 · 09-10-2020, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Being fake aside, it’s cut so badly it shouldn’t have been graded either.

I don't think it is miscut instead the border is printed with the taper on the reprints, a good tell tale if on all reprints.
I could be wrong.
OP can you measure your copy to see if there is any size difference from end to end top to bottom.

3124508 on COMC · 09-10-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic311

I don't think it is miscut instead the border is printed with the taper on the reprints, a good tell tale if on all reprints.
I could be wrong.
OP can you measure your copy to see if there is any size difference from end to end top to bottom.

No, the perpendicularity of the PSA 9 in the OP is definitely way off.

3124508 on COMC · 09-10-2020, 04:40 PM

Note how the card isn't even close to a perfect rectangle. The size may be the same, but not if measured from the same reference location.

tgblackw · 09-10-2020, 10:33 PM

I'm pretty sure I bought the same card off ebay in April. Once I got it in hand I was 99% sure if was either trimmed and/or fake. Did a return with no issue.

I can't believe PSA graded it.

3124508 on COMC · 09-10-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tgblackw

I'm pretty sure I bought the same card off ebay in April. Once I got it in hand I was 99% sure if was either trimmed and/or fake. Did a return with no issue.

I can't believe PSA graded it.

I’d even give them a pass on the whole authenticating a fake card thing even though that’s the more egregious failure here if the card weren’t so butchered. Maybe you don’t have a real Fleer RC to compare to see if it’s authentic (even though you shouldn’t need one), but you don’t need anything but the fake card itself to see that it’s cut totally wrong and shouldn’t be in a numerical holder. I’m not excusing missing the fact it’s fake, but it’s like nobody at PSA even looked at the card before grading it.

RookieAddict · 09-19-2020, 11:51 AM

Thank you for everyone who has responded. I checked the card and it is cut pretty funky. I did not even realize that part until it was mentioned in this thread. Emailed PSA twice with no response at all. Will probably give it till mid next week and then will call them. You would think they would respond a little more quickly to something like this. Guess not....

pingbling23 · 09-19-2020, 12:12 PM

What is psa's guarantee? Since they graded a fake do they owe you the value of the real card?

Kobe101 · 09-19-2020, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

No, the perpendicularity of the PSA 9 in the OP is definitely way off.

Wow! Yeah I 100% agree that is cut like all my PayPal shipping labels.

RookieAddict · 09-19-2020, 12:24 PM

That's what I am wondering as well. My friend said he would just pay me back for it but I would rather PSA pay for it. Their screw up.

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

What is psa's guarantee? Since they graded a fake do they owe you the value of the real card?

mc1 · 09-19-2020, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RookieAddict

That's what I am wondering as well. My friend said he would just pay me back for it but I would rather PSA pay for it. Their screw up.

Theyll probably ban you for sending fake cards to them.

Maybe theyll ask you to send it in for review. If they do determine it is fake then theyll crack it out and remove it from the Pop.

RookieAddict · 09-19-2020, 12:29 PM

I didn't send it to them. I bought it already graded. If they ban me that would be hilarious. Their mistake so i get banned lol.

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Originally Posted by mc1

Theyll probably ban you for sending fake cards to them.

Maybe theyll ask you to send it in for review. If they do determine it is fake then theyll crack it out and remove it from the Pop.

mc1 · 09-19-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RookieAddict

I didn't send it to them. I bought it already graded. If they ban me that would be hilarious. Their mistake so i get banned lol.

Ban your “friend”

Hes the one that got it graded.

09-10-2020, 02:53 PM	#1
RookieAddict Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,322 volumeaccumulation	Questionable LeBron Rookie?? Looking to get some opinions on my Fleer LeBron Rookie. Recently purchased from a friend who bought it raw on eBay and sent to PSA himself. I have owned a ton of Lebron, wade etc 03 fleer Rookies and none have looked off to me. I have never seen one with thin borders like the one i have now. The quality of the image is really grainy, card stock looks off, color looks off and how sharp the edges looks off to me. Basically looks like it was printed by someone at home. I have included some pics of mine and some images of reprints and real ones that i have pulled from eBay. I am not to the type to question stuff like this but this card just looks so off to me i have to ask the boards. Am i blind or could this be a reprint? Mine - Others i have pulled pics from eBay- Fleer's that are advertised as reprints-

09-10-2020, 02:56 PM	#2
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,437	Being fake aside, it’s cut so badly it shouldn’t have been graded either. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

09-10-2020, 04:40 PM	#5
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,437	Note how the card isn't even close to a perfect rectangle. The size may be the same, but not if measured from the same reference location. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

09-10-2020, 10:33 PM	#6
tgblackw Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: North Carolina Posts: 477 tgblackw85	I'm pretty sure I bought the same card off ebay in April. Once I got it in hand I was 99% sure if was either trimmed and/or fake. Did a return with no issue. I can't believe PSA graded it. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/187428860@N03/albums

09-19-2020, 11:51 AM	#8
RookieAddict Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,322 volumeaccumulation	Thank you for everyone who has responded. I checked the card and it is cut pretty funky. I did not even realize that part until it was mentioned in this thread. Emailed PSA twice with no response at all. Will probably give it till mid next week and then will call them. You would think they would respond a little more quickly to something like this. Guess not....

09-19-2020, 12:12 PM	#9
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,972 pingbling23	What is psa's guarantee? Since they graded a fake do they owe you the value of the real card?