The Worst PSA Failure Yet? (Another Recolored PSA 6 PWCC/Moser 1948 Leaf Jackie)

3124508 on COMC · 10-19-2020, 11:04 PM

I was casually browsing PWCC's sales history of 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson cards tonight and came across the PSA 6 below. Wondering what happened to Jackie's face, I went to look for what the card looked like before the arts and crafts session. Behold I found the same card except with "an area of surface wear to Jackie's left cheek". Not exactly sure how you can totally replace Jackie's cheek and get the card past PSA, but here we are.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1180980
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1379530

No red boxes necessary on this one.

IgnatiusJReilly · 10-19-2020, 11:14 PM

F@*k! Just leave these works of art alone you greedy bastards!

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Bruins1993 · 10-19-2020, 11:22 PM

"Never get cheated"

Reminds me of the "grass" added on the '33 Ruth below:

pip · 10-19-2020, 11:52 PM

At least it's kind of the right color.

CaptSpaulding · 10-19-2020, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

At least it's kind of the right color.

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut

pip · 10-20-2020, 12:32 AM

That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?

Bruins1993 · 10-20-2020, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?

SGC is one step ahead going with random certification numbers! How long before Joe "Never Get Cheated" Orlando follows suit?

Archangel1775 · 10-20-2020, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)

26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)

26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)

Wow, that's some expensive cardboard....

mjohnatgt · 10-20-2020, 04:59 AM

"Easily among the best PRESERVED copies we've seen in our history."

mjohnatgt · 10-20-2020, 05:01 AM

And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?

vintg · 10-20-2020, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?

...that's exactly what I was wondering.

F'in PATHETIC.

rcmb3220 · 10-20-2020, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut

So about a 1/3 or the cards in that submission are altered and that didn’t raise any flags about the rest of them?

superdan49 · 10-20-2020, 07:28 AM

Corndog found a trimmed Otto Graham from this corrupt submission last summer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #26219430

1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham RC #45

Value gain of $12,124.99

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-8 on April 24, 2016 for $2,025.01. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1270266
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $14,150.00 on December 14, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1397299

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify the trimmed right edge.

cardsin47 · 10-20-2020, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?

PSA is concerned with their bottom line - not making the world a better place. I’m sure they could care less ..... ( at least we care / I care )

pip · 10-20-2020, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?

I thought about it some more. Going to go with zero.

LVDan · 10-20-2020, 09:22 AM

Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.

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corndog · 10-20-2020, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut

Out of the 28 cards that were given numerical grades by the professionals at PSA,
ten were given extra special stickers by Mr. Brent Huigens.
I believe that he has stated that the extra special stickers were given out randomly and that the consigners were unknown to him.

You can't make this stuff up....

pip · 10-20-2020, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

Out of the 28 cards that were given numerical grades by the professionals at PSA,
ten were given extra special stickers by Mr. Brent Huigens.
I believe that he has stated that the extra special stickers were given out randomly and that the consigners were unknown to him.

You can't make this stuff up....

Seems perfectly legit.

5CentWaxPack · 10-20-2020, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run.

Oh those cards? Those he probably sent over to Dave for special treatment at SGC.

pip · 10-20-2020, 10:49 AM

I have to believe that Gary and Brent were working closely together. For instance, PWCC would set up a bidding account with another auction service and Gary would do the actual bidding. Then, Gary would arrange for the winning lots to be sent to him instead of PWCC. When Gary finished molesting all the cards, they would be submitted by PWCC to PSA and there would be some type of profit sharing agreement.

pip · 10-20-2020, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5CentWaxPack

Oh those cards? Those he probably sent over to Dave for special treatment at SGC.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that's exactly what probably happened. The few cards that were rejected by SGC were probably then sent to Beckett or sold raw with some kind of truth-defying "aw shucks" auction description.

warrenwolk · 10-20-2020, 10:56 AM

I'd love to see some of these "bigshots" busted.

Bowman1951 · 10-20-2020, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVDan

Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.

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How many times have you had to pee? You could be waiting awhile.

HarryLime · 10-20-2020, 10:59 AM

What a beautiful 3.5.

Arthur

CaptSpaulding · 10-20-2020, 11:02 AM

Guys what's the big fuss about? I mean this happened back in 2015 or 2016. This kinda stuff cannot be happening any longer with PWCC. In fact I bet Brent bought back every card listed there--even the ones that came back altered in this sub that eventually graded.

10-19-2020, 11:04 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,391	The Worst PSA Failure Yet? (Another Recolored PSA 6 PWCC/Moser 1948 Leaf Jackie) I was casually browsing PWCC's sales history of 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson cards tonight and came across the PSA 6 below. Wondering what happened to Jackie's face, I went to look for what the card looked like before the arts and crafts session. Behold I found the same card except with "an area of surface wear to Jackie's left cheek". Not exactly sure how you can totally replace Jackie's cheek and get the card past PSA, but here we are. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1180980 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1379530 No red boxes necessary on this one. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

10-19-2020, 11:14 PM	#2
IgnatiusJReilly Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Newbury Park, CA Posts: 1,982 Stonethecrow34	The Worst PSA Failure Yet? (Another Recolored PSA 6 PWCC/Moser 1948 Leaf Jackie) F@*k! Just leave these works of art alone you greedy bastards! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-19-2020, 11:22 PM	#3
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,290	"Never get cheated" Reminds me of the "grass" added on the '33 Ruth below: __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

10-19-2020, 11:52 PM	#4
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	At least it's kind of the right color.

10-20-2020, 12:32 AM	#6
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?

10-20-2020, 04:59 AM	#9
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,631 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	"Easily among the best PRESERVED copies we've seen in our history."

10-20-2020, 05:01 AM	#10
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,631 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?

10-20-2020, 09:22 AM	#16
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,555	Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

10-20-2020, 10:49 AM	#20
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	I have to believe that Gary and Brent were working closely together. For instance, PWCC would set up a bidding account with another auction service and Gary would do the actual bidding. Then, Gary would arrange for the winning lots to be sent to him instead of PWCC. When Gary finished molesting all the cards, they would be submitted by PWCC to PSA and there would be some type of profit sharing agreement.

10-20-2020, 10:56 AM	#22
warrenwolk Banned Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 120	I'd love to see some of these "bigshots" busted.

10-20-2020, 10:59 AM	#24
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	What a beautiful 3.5. Arthur

10-20-2020, 11:02 AM	#25
CaptSpaulding Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,447	Guys what's the big fuss about? I mean this happened back in 2015 or 2016. This kinda stuff cannot be happening any longer with PWCC. In fact I bet Brent bought back every card listed there--even the ones that came back altered in this sub that eventually graded.