Ebay Advice

[sc29650]

So I just got a $4500 offer on my Luka Select Courtside PSA 10 on ebay. A little nervous because the buyer has a feedback of 10 (100%). He has a few items listed but nothing to do with cards. He has 2 positives in the last month from probstein for what its worth. Any advice is appreciated.

[n1nesports]

At least he has feedback and it's 100%. I've sold to people with random looking usernames and very little to no feedback at all. Just one of the things you do when you sell on ebay. Insure and track your items that you sell or find a different place to sell if you don't trust the process.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

At least he has feedback and it's 100%. I've sold to people with random looking usernames and very little to no feedback at all. Just one of the things you do when you sell on ebay. Insure and track your items that you sell or find a different place to sell if you don't trust the process.

Insurance and tracking isn't gonna help when he reports item not as described then ships back a base dylan windler. I kid I kid, you'll probably be fine.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

Insurance and tracking isn't gonna help when he reports item not as described then ships back a base dylan windler. I kid I kid, you'll probably be fine.

That used to be the case, but I've read people on here saying they've beat ebay/paypal cases involving fraud.

[Pnwcardshop]

Message him. You'll be fine.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by n1nesports

That used to be the case, but I've read people on here saying they've beat ebay/paypal cases involving fraud.

How would that work? If you’re Paypal account is negative, you owe the money to Paypal which has final say on your claim.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by Dame

How would that work? If you’re Paypal account is negative, you owe the money to Paypal which has final say on your claim.

Yeah but I think he's saying that if the seller opens a case once the buyer ships back a different card paypal/ebay may rule in their favor. I sure wouldn't count on that being the case consistently but I could definitely see them siding in the seller's favor fairly frequently if they have a ton of feedback and the buyer has much less.

[sc29650]

I sent him a message and waiting to hear back. Thanks for all of the input

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

Yeah but I think he's saying that if the seller opens a case once the buyer ships back a different card paypal/ebay may rule in their favor. I sure wouldn't count on that being the case consistently but I could definitely see them siding in the seller's favor fairly frequently if they have a ton of feedback and the buyer has much less.

Paypal is worse than Ebay on siding with sellers, you have a better chance with Ebay and in most cases even that is a stretch. Feedback is irrelevant in a claim. We have all seen people with thousands of feedback become scammers overnight.

Personally I would send a card like that to a consigner no way would I risk my own account being tied up with that kind of a negative if a claim got opened.

The buyers feedback is irelevent because ALL BUYERS have 100% as a buyer. Again I have more issues from non paying and other issues from buyers with thousands of feedback than those with less than 50.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Paypal is worse than Ebay on siding with sellers, you have a better chance with Ebay and in most cases even that is a stretch. Feedback is irrelevant in a claim. We have all seen people with thousands of feedback become scammers overnight.

Personally I would send a card like that to a consigner no way would I risk my own account being tied up with that kind of a negative if a claim got opened.

The buyers feedback is irelevent because ALL BUYERS have 100% as a buyer. Again I have more issues from non paying and other issues from buyers with thousands of feedback than those with less than 50.

I see what you're saying but I'm sure ebay takes feedback into account to some degree. If they see a seller with 3000 100% positive seller feedback open a fraud case against a 10 feedback buyer who made his account 3 months ago I feel like that's just impossible to ignore. Not saying they'd always side with the seller but I'd wager that most times they would especially if you called them and made a convincing argument. But yes I agree with your main point that a consigner is the way to go for cards over 1-2k. Not only do you entirely limit your possibility of being scammed but on super high-value cards most consigners only take 10% when ebay + paypal would take 13%. That 3% is a pretty signifcant chunk of change if you're talking about a 5k card.

[discodanman45]

I would always use consignments when selling high price cards. 99% of the time you will be fine, but for a $4500 card I would feel more comfortable letting someone else deal with the 1% nonsense. A buyer could easily say the package arrived empty with cardboard. Who do you think eBay will side with? Buyers are more important to them then small sellers.

[sc29650]

Thanks for all of the feedback. I would rather sell privately but I find the exposure on ebay is so much better.

Are you saying that a co-signer would take only 10% and they would handle the ebay fees? Its not 10% PLUS EBAY FEES?

[sebreg]

I think 3rd parties like Probstein and PWCC have deals with ebay so if you sell with them your fees are actually relatively low while minimizing risk issues. That's my understanding at least. I'd rather sell things from my own end but the higher the value the more I'd prefer hand off dealing with buyers to a 3rd party seller. I don't want to stress over getting scammed when it's getting to be very big valuations, even if as others say you should be fine.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by sc29650

Thanks for all of the feedback. I would rather sell privately but I find the exposure on ebay is so much better.

Are you saying that a co-signer would take only 10% and they would handle the ebay fees? Its not 10% PLUS EBAY FEES?

It isn't 10% on every card but for the higher value ones (I believe $3500+ for PWCC) it is 10% total. The big consigners have deals directly with ebay to pay much smaller fees so they cover them for the sellers.

[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by Dame

How would that work? If you’re Paypal account is negative, you owe the money to Paypal which has final say on your claim.

I have never been in a dispute with a card of such high value, whenever I have had someone say they didn't receive a product or wanted a refund or whatever the issue was I just refunded them and took it as an L.
I'm not sure how fast Paypal is to reverse a payment but they'd probably have to hear from the sellers side before just doing it automatically, I'd hope.

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

Yeah but I think he's saying that if the seller opens a case once the buyer ships back a different card paypal/ebay may rule in their favor. I sure wouldn't count on that being the case consistently but I could definitely see them siding in the seller's favor fairly frequently if they have a ton of feedback and the buyer has much less.

Yea this. There's plenty of ebay sellers on here who have had these issues come up, oddly enough they're all MIA from this thread.

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Paypal is worse than Ebay on siding with sellers, you have a better chance with Ebay and in most cases even that is a stretch. Feedback is irrelevant in a claim. We have all seen people with thousands of feedback become scammers overnight.

Personally I would send a card like that to a consigner no way would I risk my own account being tied up with that kind of a negative if a claim got opened.

The buyers feedback is irelevent because ALL BUYERS have 100% as a buyer. Again I have more issues from non paying and other issues from buyers with thousands of feedback than those with less than 50.

You're right Paypal is awful. That's one of the reasons I stopped selling on Ebay. But still there's plenty of posts/threads on here of people beating claims, I remember reading one guy who said he beat multiple claims, worth reading how that came about to anyone interested in that, gonna have to use the search function though cause I ain't going down that rabbit hole .