Collin Sexton vs. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

[Filthy]

Just curious to know everyones thoughts, on these two players. I feel like they both have a somewhat similar skill set, were both drafted in very similar positions in the same draft, and have both seen some early success. However, it seems as if SGA is WAYY more hyped in the hobby. Can we discus the differences? Reasons?

I've listed a few quick stat lines, and I understand that points and assists are not the only thing used in determining a players success, however you can see that they are almost identical. With Sexton actually getting the nod.


Shai Gilgeous- Alexander
11th pick overall 18' Draft
RC stats- 10 pts/3 assists
2nd Year stats- 19 points/3 assists


Collin Sexton
8th pick overall 18' Draft
RC stats- 16 pts/3 assists
2nd Year Stats-20 pts/3 assists


Is this only because SGA started his career in LA, and made the playoffs as a rookie? Vs. Sexton starting his career in Cleveland? Watching the two players, I fell like Sexton is actually a touch more athletic as well. Sexton was drafted higher than SGA as well. Can we discuss the reasons for the major discrepancy? Cleveland vs. OKC? Neither one, are great destinations to play in. OKC, is about to win about 6 games total this season.


*Full disclosure, I'm a die hard OKC Thunder fan, and LOVE SGA. But am somewhat butthurt that his cards are already out of my price range. Yet, a guy like Sexton, who was drafted higher, has virtually the exact same skill set/athletic ability, and arguably better stats...….doesn't get near the same hobby attention/love? What am I missing?

[gmoney000]

Shhhhhhhhhhh

[ninjacookies]

Summary:

OKC was a playoff team and SGA also plays strong defense.


Neither are particularly flashy, though.

[tyrith]

Sexton is incrementally (or more) worse at everything besides scoring.

Rebounds per 36 min
SGA - 6.1
Sexton - 3.4

Turnovers per 36 min
SGA - 2.0
Sexton - 2.7

Blocks per 36 min
SGA - 0.7
Sexton - 0.1

And, the real killer if you believe in fancy stats at all...

Defensive RPM
SGA - 0.22
Sexton - -2.11

Sexton is a case where the hobby rewards scoring, but you have to be good enough at everything to be put in position to play and score on a team that isn't terrible. I personally, and many others I suspect, have doubts that Sexton will ever be good enough holistically to be the starting PG on a team that does anything more than squeak into the playoffs.

[asujbl]

Sexton is the worst defensive player on the planet

That still matters

[jw8]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sexton is the worst defensive player on the planet

That still matters

doesn't matter for trae apparently

[cboog3105]

Originally Posted by jw8

doesn't matter for trae apparently

all stars don't have to defend silly

[ninjacookies]

Good hair don't care.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by jw8

doesn't matter for trae apparently

30/10

If Sexton goes 30/10 this year? Give me a call

[Akphillips86]

I like SGA better than Sexton, especially in the realm of a youngster to build around. He isn’t the flashiest, as noted earlier, so he is probably going to have to score at a pretty good clip for him to sustain hobby love. He will be filling up the stat sheet this year though as he is clearly OKC’s best option.

With SGA’s recent price bump I’m no longer a buyer, but he’s a great hold. While OKC is likely going to be absent from the playoffs this year, they will likely rebuild and bounce back before you know it. Patience could be rewarded.


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[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by asujbl

30/10

If Sexton goes 30/10 this year? Give me a call

30 ppg isn’t so strong when you’re shouting 43% from the field

[tyrith]

There's also no way Sexton gets the Westbrook level of usage that would be necessary to get him to 30 pts a game unless his efficiency jumps a bunch. Usually players shooting efficiency goes down the more possessions they take, anyway.

[Supercomputers]

Love Sexton as a sleeper here for many reasons. Early young promise 21 years young and thrives off the criticism. Kid works hard and thats good enough for me to prospect him.

[Mormi08]

Garland.
Thank me later.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Op - to address your comparison, there’s no reason why sga should outsell sexton by 3x.

Exactly why sexton is a strong buy, and sga is a sell imo.

[n1nesports]

SGA got moves

[PKIPP]

I like both. They’re both apart of the 7-8 rookies from their class that I keep in the same stash. I’ve got it separated as “good 18-19 rc’s” and “i wish these were good 18-19” rc’s

Idk why Shai sells for so much higher but just thought I’d add that both a fun to collect and are holds for me.


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[n1nesports]

Originally Posted by PKIPP

Idk why Shai sells for so much higher

Cause 20-20-10

[RAV2773]

At 6'5 with a 6"11 wingspan, Shai is much bigger and projects to add weight and possibly take his game to the next level. At 6'1, Sexton is a score first point guard that is very one dimensional so far. He is not seen as a future big time do everything point guard right now. If he were, he would garner more hobby attention

[The Losing Edge]

I usually defer to people much smarter than me on most things. From John Hollinger's Cavs preview:
"He averaged 20.8 points per game in the National Basketball Association as a 21-year-old, so clearly there is some talent there. But as one of the least willing or able passers in captivity, continuing to play him on the ball raises questions about how well the overall offense can function. He also was absolutely savaged on defense, constantly flipping himself out of position, mixing up switches or chasing ghosts off the ball.

It seems a bit much to put the whole rebuild on him, but this is Cleveland’s best chance to hit on a star. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: He has a Gilbert Arenas ceiling and a Jordan Crawford present. At some point he has to turn the corner from an entertainingly bad player to one who actually makes the team better when he’s on the court. If he can’t tighten up the defense and find an open teammate once in a while, rather than just piling up empty calories in the points per game column, I’m not sure this rebuild is gonna work out."

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by RAV2773

At 6'5 with a 6"11 wingspan, Shai is much bigger and projects to add weight and possibly take his game to the next level. At 6'1, Sexton is a score first point guard that is very one dimensional so far. He is not seen as a future big time do everything point guard right now. If he were, he would garner more hobby attention

This. The bottom line is that if you just summarize their box score counting stats - yeah, they look like similar players. SGA is a better player than Sexton in pretty much every way that isn't captured by points and assists. And keep in mind SGA played most of last year as the 2 next to Chris Paul, where Sexton is going to have to be a 1 to have a future as a starter.

[The Losing Edge]

Originally Posted by RAV2773

At 6'5 with a 6"11 wingspan, Shai is much bigger and projects to add weight and possibly take his game to the next level. At 6'1, Sexton is a score first point guard that is very one dimensional so far. He is not seen as a future big time do everything point guard right now. If he were, he would garner more hobby attention

This is a good point to bring up. The limits of a 6'1 guard in playoff bball are real. Shai, to the best of my memory, was looked at in his shooting/scoring being more of a question mark than his D & playmaking ability. So to see him come out last year and play off the ball more next to CP3 and be able to score and knock down shots, started to answers the questions and show he could be a true all around player.

[The Losing Edge]

Originally Posted by tyrith

Sexton is incrementally (or more) worse at everything besides scoring.


And, the real killer if you believe in fancy stats at all...

Defensive RPM
SGA - 0.22
Sexton - -2.11

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I do. I think it is one of many things to look at. If you are just thinking about holistic catch all metrics to take a quick glance at a players value I think they are much better than looking at scoring or assists per game.
Another one that just crushes sexton is 538's Raptor. He was these worst defensive player in the league last year and while an ok offensive player, he was no where near someone like Trae. Trae was worth 7.3 WAR on 538. Shai was at 5.4. Sexton actually had negative overall value, -.6 WAR in 2,143 minutes.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Originally Posted by The Losing Edge

This is a good point to bring up. The limits of a 6'1 guard in playoff bball are real. Shai, to the best of my memory, was looked at in his shooting/scoring being more of a question mark than his D & playmaking ability. So to see him come out last year and play off the ball more next to CP3 and be able to score and knock down shots, started to answers the questions and show he could be a true all around player.

I think playing next to CP3 is actually the biggest plus for SGA over Sexton. Their counting stats are close but SGA did it for a winning team alongside CP3 and Gallo who needed the ball.

This past year showed some great progression in SGA's game and he answered some of the biggest question marks that people had about him whereas Sexton just did what everyone knew he could do and didn't take any steps forward in other aspects of his game.

[Brandonthecolle]

Originally Posted by Filthy

Just curious to know everyones thoughts, on these two players. I feel like they both have a somewhat similar skill set, were both drafted in very similar positions in the same draft, and have both seen some early success. However, it seems as if SGA is WAYY more hyped in the hobby. Can we discus the differences? Reasons?

I've listed a few quick stat lines, and I understand that points and assists are not the only thing used in determining a players success, however you can see that they are almost identical. With Sexton actually getting the nod.


Shai Gilgeous- Alexander
11th pick overall 18' Draft
RC stats- 10 pts/3 assists
2nd Year stats- 19 points/3 assists


Collin Sexton
8th pick overall 18' Draft
RC stats- 16 pts/3 assists
2nd Year Stats-20 pts/3 assists


Is this only because SGA started his career in LA, and made the playoffs as a rookie? Vs. Sexton starting his career in Cleveland? Watching the two players, I fell like Sexton is actually a touch more athletic as well. Sexton was drafted higher than SGA as well. Can we discuss the reasons for the major discrepancy? Cleveland vs. OKC? Neither one, are great destinations to play in. OKC, is about to win about 6 games total this season.


*Full disclosure, I'm a die hard OKC Thunder fan, and LOVE SGA. But am somewhat butthurt that his cards are already out of my price range. Yet, a guy like Sexton, who was drafted higher, has virtually the exact same skill set/athletic ability, and arguably better stats...….doesn't get near the same hobby attention/love? What am I missing?

I think that SGA is the better overall player. Sexton has had a great two seasons as well. The 2018 draft has to be one of the strongest in years.

This year we will really get to see the two in similar situations. This will really show who’s the better player. SGA had Adams and CP3 to help him get into the playoffs, while Sexton didn’t have much help last season. If SGA can be an all-star type player this year it’s clear that he’s much better.


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