Are definite HOF'ers Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer flagship PSA 10's undervalued?

Nostalgia · 01-24-2021, 07:11 PM

A 2008 Topps U&H Scherzer PSA 10 just sold eBay auction for $273 and I see 2005 Topps Verlander PSA 10's going for around $300

Verlander is out this year....so his card values may come down. But Scherzer should be back.

Is now the time to buy these cards...at the very least Scherzer's?

jduds · 01-24-2021, 07:29 PM

I think they are ripe for an increase. I think that 2002-2010 rookies in general are undervalued, but especially the pitchers. People say that pitchers don't get hobby attention, but the previous generation had plenty of hobby darlings that still maintain value (Maddux, Johnson, Martinez etc...). I think part of the problem is figuring out how modern numbers will be evaluated by pundits, collectors, and ultimately HOF voters.

ThoseBackPages · 01-24-2021, 07:30 PM

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

Verlander is also in the 2005 Factory Set, so that does not help

cardsin47 · 01-24-2021, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

LCM1223 · 01-24-2021, 07:42 PM

Everything is undervalued

Buy buy buy

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-24-2021, 08:02 PM

They are very accurately priced. Doesn’t mean there isn’t some buying opportunities to be found, but if you want to buy “current pitchers who will make the HOF”, you should really only be getting Kershaw and Scherzer. I’m not saying guys like Greinke and Verlander won’t make the HOF, I just don’t think they get the same hobby/media/fan love that Kershaw and Scherzer do.

cardsin47 · 01-24-2021, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

if you want to buy “current pitchers who will make the HOF”, you should really only be getting Kershaw and Scherzer.

.... and for those of you into Wax, both are in the 2008 Topps updates/ highlights ( or highlights/updates —— one of those 2!) wax boxes . Last hobby box ( fairly rare ) sold on eBay a few months ago for $480. Wax that old with 2 FHOF’ers is a bargain!

speedyjg13 · 01-24-2021, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

LCM1223 · 01-24-2021, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

jduds · 01-24-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LCM1223

i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

Is this a running joke or some new strange cult-like mantra? High end HOF pitchers sell reasonably well compared to their counterparts. Kershaw, Scherzer, and maybe 2-3 others still have plenty of room to grow.

sickmantz · 01-24-2021, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

They are very accurately priced. Doesn’t mean there isn’t some buying opportunities to be found, but if you want to buy “current pitchers who will make the HOF”, you should really only be getting Kershaw and Scherzer. I’m not saying guys like Greinke and Verlander won’t make the HOF, I just don’t think they get the same hobby/media/fan love that Kershaw and Scherzer do.

Verlander has had a better career than Scherzer...

mfw13 · 01-24-2021, 09:43 PM

I wouldn't be buying PSA 10's of anything as an investment.

Prices are so inflated right now that eventually the price gap between PSA 9's and PSA 10's will begin to contract, especially for modern cards where PSA 10's are fairly common.

ScooterMcRibs · 01-24-2021, 10:00 PM

No, they are third-tier HOFers. No fan following, no hobby following means no returns. Stick to the GOATs like Griffey, Mantle, Nolan.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-24-2021, 10:10 PM

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Verlander has had a better career than Scherzer...

I didn’t say anything about who has had the better career.

sickmantz · 01-24-2021, 10:46 PM

So I don't know what you're comparing the flagship PSA 10 prices to, but I got a Verlander 05 BCP Blue Ref Auto 9.5/10 for $315 in late 2017. That's some pretty decent appreciation in a little over 3 years.

sickmantz · 01-24-2021, 10:46 PM

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I didn’t say anything about who has had the better career.

Ok, but the OP is also saying Verlander's flagship sells for more, so I really don't understand what you were saying.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-24-2021, 10:53 PM

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Ok, but the OP is also saying Verlander's flagship sells for more, so I really don't understand what you were saying.

I’m saying that, in my opinion, Scherzer gets more hobby/media/fan love than Verlander. Besides Tigers or Astros fans, I’m not sure how many people would say they like Verlander more than Scherzer. Verlander has never really tried to endear himself to the fans, and he openly hates the baseball media. Verlander will easily make the HOF, but in the long run, I think Scherzer could see higher card values.

jduds · 01-24-2021, 11:11 PM

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No, they are third-tier HOFers. No fan following, no hobby following means no returns. Stick to the GOATs like Griffey, Mantle, Nolan.

While possibly lucrative, what a boring collection. HOF players, even third tier ones, eventually get hobby love. I'd argue that none of the pitchers mentioned here are third tier either. Everyone keeps saying that pitchers have low value and no following. I think the constant denigration of collecting modern pitchers will eventually shift to mirror historical trends where the top few pitchers pf each generation are valued reasonably well.

noaskiecards · 01-24-2021, 11:11 PM

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i think they are priced correctly. they are pitchers

His name is Robert Paulson

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Archangel1775 · 01-24-2021, 11:13 PM

If you're comparing them to LeBron,Kobe and Trout PSA 10's...everyone is undervalued

bwalter1 · 01-24-2021, 11:38 PM

100% they are undervalued. You are talking about players that will be in the HOF. Larry Walker Leaf PSA 10s are 100-125. They are 2-3x him and not really going out on a limb but they will end up with better careers than him, by far.

This is · 01-25-2021, 12:47 AM

I think pitchers like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are undervalued more then Justin and Max.

rangersfan17 · 01-25-2021, 09:46 AM

Assuming a full and healthy season Scherzer should break 3000K late in the year. Could give his cards some pop.

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MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-25-2021, 10:45 AM

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I think pitchers like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are undervalued more then Justin and Max.

Randy’s RCs came out during the junk wax era which explains his low values. His Topps Tiffany RC gets plenty of love, though.

mattglet · 01-25-2021, 11:28 AM

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01-24-2021, 07:11 PM	#1
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 1,942	Are definite HOF'ers Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer flagship PSA 10's undervalued? A 2008 Topps U&H Scherzer PSA 10 just sold eBay auction for $273 and I see 2005 Topps Verlander PSA 10's going for around $300 Verlander is out this year....so his card values may come down. But Scherzer should be back. Is now the time to buy these cards...at the very least Scherzer's? Last edited by Nostalgia; 01-24-2021 at 07:14 PM.

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sickmantz Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: CA Posts: 2,470 vashthe84	So I don't know what you're comparing the flagship PSA 10 prices to, but I got a Verlander 05 BCP Blue Ref Auto 9.5/10 for $315 in late 2017. That's some pretty decent appreciation in a little over 3 years. __________________ In a system built on racism, status quo sustains it.

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jduds Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 3,797 chilaw57	I think they are ripe for an increase. I think that 2002-2010 rookies in general are undervalued, but especially the pitchers. People say that pitchers don't get hobby attention, but the previous generation had plenty of hobby darlings that still maintain value (Maddux, Johnson, Martinez etc...). I think part of the problem is figuring out how modern numbers will be evaluated by pundits, collectors, and ultimately HOF voters.

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MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,602	They are very accurately priced. Doesn’t mean there isn’t some buying opportunities to be found, but if you want to buy “current pitchers who will make the HOF”, you should really only be getting Kershaw and Scherzer. I’m not saying guys like Greinke and Verlander won’t make the HOF, I just don’t think they get the same hobby/media/fan love that Kershaw and Scherzer do.

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mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,456	I wouldn't be buying PSA 10's of anything as an investment. Prices are so inflated right now that eventually the price gap between PSA 9's and PSA 10's will begin to contract, especially for modern cards where PSA 10's are fairly common.

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ScooterMcRibs Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: BAY AREA, CA, USA Posts: 431 I'm not going to tell you. No.	No, they are third-tier HOFers. No fan following, no hobby following means no returns. Stick to the GOATs like Griffey, Mantle, Nolan.

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bwalter1 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,098	100% they are undervalued. You are talking about players that will be in the HOF. Larry Walker Leaf PSA 10s are 100-125. They are 2-3x him and not really going out on a limb but they will end up with better careers than him, by far. __________________ http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/bwalter22/library/ Currently working on 2017 Topps Heritage Blue Refractor /68 set. Pm me if you have any for sale/trade

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This is Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 729	I think pitchers like Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez are undervalued more then Justin and Max.

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