Worthpoint Removes 30 Million Sports Card Listings, Claims it's "Normal Optimization"

3124508 on COMC · 02-04-2021, 09:53 AM

On Monday morning (February 1, 2021) it was identified that all eBay sports card sales were removed from being searched on Worthpoint.com. Although the archive of listings still exists, as previously existing links to Worthpoint listings can still be accessed successfully, there is no longer any way to search for sports cards sold via eBay on Worthpoint. The only exception is cards that were listed in an incorrect category on eBay or items that are so old (circa 2011 or earlier) that the listed category of the item on Worthpoint is "Unknown". All sports and trading card related categories were totally wiped on Monday. Archive.org indicates that there were circa 63,000,000 listings in the "Sports" category on Worthpoint as of January 26, 2021. Today that number is approximately 33,000,000. These 33 million listings are solely composed of autographs, jerseys, memorabilia, tickets, bobbleheads, etc. Multiple correspondences with Worthpoint, including the one pictured below, indicate that the purging of sports card listings is part of a "normal optimization process". The message also indicates that 180,000 sales results still remain, meaning that Worthpoint removed 99.4% of their sports cards listings.

Source: Instagram, @waxmuseumpodcast

Below is a comparison of an archive.org capture of Worthpoint's search results page as it appeared on January 26, 2021 (before listings results were removed) and after the listings were removed on February 1st. Note that most or all of the listings removed in the "Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles" category is TCG cards (Pokémon, Magic the Gathering, etc.), which have also been totally purged from Worthpoint. As with sports cards, the only items remaining are those that were erroneously listed in a category other than trading cards.

JAN 26: Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles (115,236,442)
FEB 1: Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles (107,965,947)

JAN 26: Sports (63,723,730)
FEB 1: Sports (33,812,774)

JAN 26: Entertainment (40,427,810)
FEB 1: Entertainment (40,426,345)

JAN 26: Coins & Currency (39,856,994)
FEB 1: Coins & Currency (39,856,994)

JAN 26: Books, Paper & Magazines (24,428,829)
FEB 1: Books, Paper & Magazines (21,945,369)

JAN 26: Furniture & Furnishings (24,252,044)
FEB 1: Furniture & Furnishings (24,252,044)

JAN 26: Jewelry (19,218,079)
FEB 1: Jewelry (19,218,079)

JAN 26: Militaria & Weapons (16,943,765)
FEB 1: Militaria & Weapons (16,943,765)

JAN 26: Ceramics (15,850,953)
FEB 1: Ceramics (15,850,953)

JAN 26: Tools (12,907,391)
FEB 1: Tools (12,907,391)

JAN 26: Stamps (11,562,018)
FEB 1: Stamps (11,562,018)

JAN 26: Glass (10,952,287)
FEB 1: Glass (10,952,287)

JAN 26: Advertising (10,494,117)
FEB 1: Advertising (10,293,175)

JAN 26: Fine Art (9,347,947)
FEB 1: Fine Art (9,347,947)

JAN 26: Alcohol & Smoking (8,113,259)
FEB 1: Alcohol & Smoking (8,113,259)

JAN 26: Transportation and Vehicles (7,890,532)
FEB 1: Transportation and Vehicles (7,890,532)

JAN 26: Ethnic, Folk & Native American Art (6,709,053)
FEB 1: Ethnic, Folk & Native American Art (6,709,053)

JAN 26: Fraternal, Political, Organizations (6,558,097)
FEB 1: Fraternal, Political, Organizations (6,558,097)

JAN 26: Natural History (4,506,303)
FEB 1: Natural History (3,825,385)

JAN 26: Textiles, Clothing & Accessories (3,694,979)
FEB 1: Textiles, Clothing & Accessories (3,694,979)

JAN 26: Metals (2,179,514)
FEB 1: Metals (2,179,514)

JAN 26: Antiquities (809,108)
FEB 1: Antiquities (809,108)

JAN 26: Firearms and Accessories (32)
FEB 1: Firearms and Accessories (32)

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20210126...ventory/search

sportzluvr1 · 02-04-2021, 09:58 AM

Here and hard

salas1991 · 02-04-2021, 09:59 AM

Maybe the AppDev team couldn't keep up?

marterburn · 02-04-2021, 10:01 AM

Well damn...

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corndog · 02-04-2021, 10:15 AM

In what way was the Worthpoint website useful to hobbyist?
Finding previous sales of modern cards, numbered cards, and autograph cards
that could be visually compared to graded cards to check for possible alterations.

Who would benefit from these important resources being purged?

glen87 · 02-04-2021, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

In what way was the Worthpoint website useful to hobbyist?
Finding previous sales of modern cards, numbered cards, and autograph cards
that could be visually compared to graded cards to check for possible alterations.

Who would benefit from these important resources being purged?

LCM1223 · 02-04-2021, 10:28 AM

ngs428 · 02-04-2021, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LCM1223

This......

MoreToppsPlease · 02-04-2021, 11:36 AM

Who paid them off?

1989FF · 02-04-2021, 12:03 PM

Not that it will make a difference but I sent them a message. That sucks.

You run out of room? PWCC pay you to remove info? Recently bought a year subscription for research. You just removed 30 million listings of cards. Had I known you were going to do that I would not have signed up. Not happy.
[I]

corndog · 02-04-2021, 12:29 PM

I have read elsewhere that some are suspecting that it may be related to a licensing issue between WP and eBay.
If that is the case, why are only sports cards involved in the massive purge? All other eBay categories are seemingly unaffected.

Skipscards · 02-04-2021, 12:35 PM

In other news, their membership revenue just decreased by 1.

DragonWagon · 02-04-2021, 01:16 PM

This should give you an idea of how many more cards have already been altered, how many were altered but waiting to sell, and how many more are planned to be altered in the future.

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WizardofOz1982 · 02-04-2021, 01:40 PM

Who does Nat Turner know at Worthpoint?

MoreToppsPlease · 02-04-2021, 02:09 PM

I thought Worthpoint had a competitor?

pip · 02-04-2021, 03:32 PM

Seems like a perfectly normal thing to do, especially in light of some of the recent $1 million+ sales that have been all over the news.

Keyser Soze · 02-04-2021, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

Seems like a perfectly normal thing to do, especially in light of some of the recent $1 million+ sales that have been all over the news.

Yep, but thank God they left up the ever-important Alcohol and Smoking listings!!

Keyser Soze · 02-04-2021, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

I thought Worthpoint had a competitor?

I don't think they have one with as robust a database

Ferg1945 · 02-04-2021, 03:52 PM

The culprits were caught on tape

Live look at BODA Headquarters.

pip · 02-04-2021, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

The culprits were caught on tape

Live look at BODA Headquarters.

Hey, if you don't plan on changing your lying and card molesting, the best thing to do is to hide all the evidence.

chezball · 02-04-2021, 04:31 PM

Does this kill BODA?

MoreToppsPlease · 02-04-2021, 05:14 PM

Anyone still don’t think there are high-level people trying to make cards more expensive by manipulating the market?

Pink Pussycat · 02-04-2021, 06:27 PM

The corruption runs deep in this industry. You'd think they'd be a bit less obvious than wiping out one entire category, and leaving all of the rest in-tact.

Strange method of "optimizing", don't you think? There's only one explanation, and it should surprise no one. Never Get Cheated.

chezball · 02-04-2021, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

The corruption runs deep in this industry. You'd think they'd be a bit less obvious than wiping out one entire category, and leaving all of the rest in-tact.

Strange method of "optimizing", don't you think? There's only one explanation, and it should surprise no one. Never Get Cheated.

Also think pwcc made a donation.

MoreToppsPlease · 02-04-2021, 06:52 PM

I wonder how Worthpoint would respond to anyone making a very serious offer to just buy the images...

...any thoughts?

02-04-2021, 09:53 AM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,399	Worthpoint Removes 30 Million Sports Card Listings, Claims it's "Normal Optimization" On Monday morning (February 1, 2021) it was identified that all eBay sports card sales were removed from being searched on Worthpoint.com. Although the archive of listings still exists, as previously existing links to Worthpoint listings can still be accessed successfully, there is no longer any way to search for sports cards sold via eBay on Worthpoint. The only exception is cards that were listed in an incorrect category on eBay or items that are so old (circa 2011 or earlier) that the listed category of the item on Worthpoint is "Unknown". All sports and trading card related categories were totally wiped on Monday. Archive.org indicates that there were circa 63,000,000 listings in the "Sports" category on Worthpoint as of January 26, 2021. Today that number is approximately 33,000,000. These 33 million listings are solely composed of autographs, jerseys, memorabilia, tickets, bobbleheads, etc. Multiple correspondences with Worthpoint, including the one pictured below, indicate that the purging of sports card listings is part of a "normal optimization process". The message also indicates that 180,000 sales results still remain, meaning that Worthpoint removed 99.4% of their sports cards listings. Source: Instagram, @waxmuseumpodcast Below is a comparison of an archive.org capture of Worthpoint's search results page as it appeared on January 26, 2021 (before listings results were removed) and after the listings were removed on February 1st. Note that most or all of the listings removed in the "Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles" category is TCG cards (Pokémon, Magic the Gathering, etc.), which have also been totally purged from Worthpoint. As with sports cards, the only items remaining are those that were erroneously listed in a category other than trading cards. JAN 26: Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles (115,236,442) FEB 1: Toys, Dolls, Games & Puzzles (107,965,947) JAN 26: Sports (63,723,730) FEB 1: Sports (33,812,774) JAN 26: Entertainment (40,427,810) FEB 1: Entertainment (40,426,345) JAN 26: Coins & Currency (39,856,994) FEB 1: Coins & Currency (39,856,994) JAN 26: Books, Paper & Magazines (24,428,829) FEB 1: Books, Paper & Magazines (21,945,369) JAN 26: Furniture & Furnishings (24,252,044) FEB 1: Furniture & Furnishings (24,252,044) JAN 26: Jewelry (19,218,079) FEB 1: Jewelry (19,218,079) JAN 26: Militaria & Weapons (16,943,765) FEB 1: Militaria & Weapons (16,943,765) JAN 26: Ceramics (15,850,953) FEB 1: Ceramics (15,850,953) JAN 26: Tools (12,907,391) FEB 1: Tools (12,907,391) JAN 26: Stamps (11,562,018) FEB 1: Stamps (11,562,018) JAN 26: Glass (10,952,287) FEB 1: Glass (10,952,287) JAN 26: Advertising (10,494,117) FEB 1: Advertising (10,293,175) JAN 26: Fine Art (9,347,947) FEB 1: Fine Art (9,347,947) JAN 26: Alcohol & Smoking (8,113,259) FEB 1: Alcohol & Smoking (8,113,259) JAN 26: Transportation and Vehicles (7,890,532) FEB 1: Transportation and Vehicles (7,890,532) JAN 26: Ethnic, Folk & Native American Art (6,709,053) FEB 1: Ethnic, Folk & Native American Art (6,709,053) JAN 26: Fraternal, Political, Organizations (6,558,097) FEB 1: Fraternal, Political, Organizations (6,558,097) JAN 26: Natural History (4,506,303) FEB 1: Natural History (3,825,385) JAN 26: Textiles, Clothing & Accessories (3,694,979) FEB 1: Textiles, Clothing & Accessories (3,694,979) JAN 26: Metals (2,179,514) FEB 1: Metals (2,179,514) JAN 26: Antiquities (809,108) FEB 1: Antiquities (809,108) JAN 26: Firearms and Accessories (32) FEB 1: Firearms and Accessories (32) Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20210126...ventory/search __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

02-04-2021, 09:58 AM	#2
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,736	Here and hard __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

02-04-2021, 10:15 AM	#5
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,050	In what way was the Worthpoint website useful to hobbyist? Finding previous sales of modern cards, numbered cards, and autograph cards that could be visually compared to graded cards to check for possible alterations. Who would benefit from these important resources being purged? __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

02-04-2021, 10:28 AM	#7
LCM1223 Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 26,572 lucards1295	__________________ Total Topps BUNT Profits: $1625.09 KICK: $3243.82 HUDDLE: $300.22 STAR WARS CARD TRADER: $2899.57 STAR WARS FORCE COLLECTION: $1318.14 TWD: $94.09 SKATE: $697.03

02-04-2021, 11:36 AM	#9
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	Who paid them off? __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

02-04-2021, 09:59 AM	#3
salas1991 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 1,321	Maybe the AppDev team couldn't keep up?

02-04-2021, 10:01 AM	#4
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	Well damn... Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

02-04-2021, 12:03 PM	#10
1989FF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,425 ryans_rust	Not that it will make a difference but I sent them a message. That sucks. You run out of room? PWCC pay you to remove info? Recently bought a year subscription for research. You just removed 30 million listings of cards. Had I known you were going to do that I would not have signed up. Not happy. [I]

02-04-2021, 12:29 PM	#11
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,050	I have read elsewhere that some are suspecting that it may be related to a licensing issue between WP and eBay. If that is the case, why are only sports cards involved in the massive purge? All other eBay categories are seemingly unaffected. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

02-04-2021, 12:35 PM	#12
Skipscards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In Tribute To The Great Ryno Posts: 30,177 jlankf2 jmp4	In other news, their membership revenue just decreased by 1. __________________ Go Royals!! #RoyalsIn2015 <---It Happened!! #TEAMZinck Sometimes it is astounding that we are able to persist in a world so full of morons.

02-04-2021, 01:16 PM	#13
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	This should give you an idea of how many more cards have already been altered, how many were altered but waiting to sell, and how many more are planned to be altered in the future. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-04-2021, 01:40 PM	#14
WizardofOz1982 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 1,345 wizardofoz82 WizardOfOz1982	Who does Nat Turner know at Worthpoint? __________________ I PC Jeff Frye, Ozzie Smith, and Ryan Helsley. https://jefffryecollection.com - My collection website with galleries and want lists

02-04-2021, 02:09 PM	#15
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I thought Worthpoint had a competitor? __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

02-04-2021, 03:32 PM	#16
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Seems like a perfectly normal thing to do, especially in light of some of the recent $1 million+ sales that have been all over the news.

02-04-2021, 03:52 PM	#19
Ferg1945 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 14,720	The culprits were caught on tape Live look at BODA Headquarters.

02-04-2021, 04:31 PM	#21
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,680 jabber	Does this kill BODA?

02-04-2021, 05:14 PM	#22
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	Anyone still don’t think there are high-level people trying to make cards more expensive by manipulating the market? __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

02-04-2021, 06:27 PM	#23
Pink Pussycat Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 595	The corruption runs deep in this industry. You'd think they'd be a bit less obvious than wiping out one entire category, and leaving all of the rest in-tact. Strange method of "optimizing", don't you think? There's only one explanation, and it should surprise no one. Never Get Cheated.

02-04-2021, 06:52 PM	#25
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I wonder how Worthpoint would respond to anyone making a very serious offer to just buy the images... ...any thoughts? __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.