Did I get screwed over by a well known PSA group submitter?!

[ManzielFan21]

Hey guys, I have an interesting situation, and I’m looking for some advice or feedback from people experienced in sending to PSA/vintage/re-prints.
So, my good friend calls me about a year ago and says his uncle has some old cards he wants me to look through. I’m happy to and I go through his stuff and find a Joe Namath rookie in what looked to be pretty good shape. I suggest we send to PSA and then sell it, and he agrees. So, I send it to a PSA group submitter on Instagram that I have subbed through before and has a very high reputation. A while goes by and no sign of it, so I ask the group submitter if he has any update and he says it is taking longer because it is oversized or jumbo and it has to go through a longer service time because of this. So I keep waiting and waiting and finally, about a week ago, I get it back. (March20-Feb21) PSA marks it N4/non authentic.....

Only one thing.... I DONT THINK THIS IS THE SAME CARD THAT I SENT IN....! I have asked a few people prior to this post and they seem to agree with me, so please let me know what you think & what I should do!

I see:
-different centering
-different color (could be due to lighting)
-no fade in the right line on one (circled)
-small specs or pixels that you see on reprints on one, but not the other.

One of a few things could have happened..
1. The card is the same and I’m crazy
2. It’s 2 different cards and PSA messed up
3. It’s 2 different cards and the group submitter messed up
4. Someone tried to screw me sideways!?

Thoughts/opinions/advice appreciated! Anyone know anyone who works at PSA?

******LINK WITH ALL THE PICTURES: https://www.flickr.com/gp/192084557@N05/88C24o

disclaimer- I know I should have sent myself. This was almost a year ago when I was getting back into the hobby. I would have done a lot differently today.

[ManzielFan21]

******LINK WITH ALL THE PICTURES: https://www.flickr.com/gp/192084557@N05/88C24o

[xXdirtyjoeXx]

Pretty obvious it's not the same card. I would definitely get back with the submitter and show him what you have found.

[jjrpilot]

I saw your post on Facebook on some card group.

Man I'm really sorry, ya those are DEFINITELY NOT the same cards.

This is why I just don't care about the card grading game. Too risky in my opinion.

[ManzielFan21]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I saw your post on Facebook on some card group.

Man I'm really sorry, ya those are DEFINITELY NOT the same cards.

This is why I just don't care about the card grading game. Too risky in my opinion.

thanks man. Came here to confirm even further.

[jlzinck]

Who is the "well know" psa guy?

[ManzielFan21]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Who is the "well know" psa guy?

Will name once I am certain it was his fault/doing.

[pejc300]

Definitely need to out him.

[TimBuckTwo]

This is my problem with trusting large volume submitters. The ole switch-a-roo.

[Siberian13]

Who is the known submitter?

[jjrpilot]

The whole thing sounds suspicious as the delayed part is the part that gets me.

Was it really delayed due to its size? Or was it delayed as the submitter or someone at PSA had to scramble to buy a reprint knock-off.

Either way it sounds like the delay was to buy enough time to find a reprint and sub that instead.

[ManzielFan21]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

The whole thing sounds suspicious as the delayed part is the part that gets me.

Was it really delayed due to its size? Or was it delayed as the submitter or someone at PSA had to scramble to buy a reprint knock-off.

Either way it sounds like the delay was to buy enough time to find a reprint and sub that instead.

Thats what Im thinking and Im trying to find out if that is even a thing. The oversized jumbo going to another service level.. my friend knows a guy at psa and is waiting for a message back.

[Chrominator]

[49erRCCollector]

Wow. 100% not the same card. I'm not sure what's up here, but that is NOT the same card.

Edit: this is why I have my own account and do all my own grading. That, and I have collector OCD.

[Siberian13]

We want blood!

[ucLAkers]

[JosieD]

wow, that is terrible. Not even close. I hope you can get it worked out and it was just an honest mistake.

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I saw your post on Facebook on some card group.

Man I'm really sorry, ya those are DEFINITELY NOT the same cards.

This is why I just don't care about the card grading game. Too risky in my opinion.

I would like this post 5 times if I could

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

We want blood!

Is that you Armie Hammer?

[danfan1]

Definitely not the same card, its blaring obvious. This is why I only grade numbered cards in group submissions. To easy to have an "issue" or a real issue. Personally submit no numbered cards and be done.
All you can do is present your case and see if the submitter is willing to "find the issue" or tell you to get bent.
Either way it is definitely owed to the card community the name of said submitter to be more alert when dealing with them in specific.

[hugh]

That huge crease would have ruined the grade.

If it's the submitter, I doubt this is the first time he has screwed someone over. Maybe if you bring it out in the open, other people will tell of their experiences also

[Bowman1951]

I'm not making excuses, I just hope the submitter didn't have two Namath rookies in the same sub and sent back the WRONG one to you.

When I submit some popular, base rookies in a group sub, I always wonder how they tell them apart when they come back if two or more people sent in the same card.

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by Bowman1951

I'm not making excuses, I just hope the submitter didn't have two Namath rookies in the same sub and sent back the WRONG one to you.

When I submit some popular, base rookies in a group sub, I always wonder how they tell them apart when they come back if two or more people sent in the same card.

That's always been a concern for me. Seems like a solution would be to register your submission with the submitter and get some kind of reference number to put on the semi-rigid/toploader. I've seem some submitters limit multiple people sending the same card without serials.

I would lean towards honest mistake with two of the same card getting mixed up since this is the type of issue that ends a submitter's business, but you can never underestimate the greed when it comes to cards.

[casebreaksllc]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

That's always been a concern for me. Seems like a solution would be to register your submission with the submitter and get some kind of reference number to put on the semi-rigid/toploader. I've seem some submitters limit multiple people sending the same card without serials.

I would lean towards honest mistake with two of the same card getting mixed up since this is the type of issue that ends a submitter's business, but you can never underestimate the greed when it comes to cards.

cards are graded and given a serial number in the sequential order they are received, so it wouldn't be that hard to make a note of who's card is in what order and not placing the same cards from different people back to back

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

That's always been a concern for me. Seems like a solution would be to register your submission with the submitter and get some kind of reference number to put on the semi-rigid/toploader. I've seem some submitters limit multiple people sending the same card without serials.

I would lean towards honest mistake with two of the same card getting mixed up since this is the type of issue that ends a submitter's business, but you can never underestimate the greed when it comes to cards.

A group sub I used to be part of had a rule that if the card wasn't serial numbered, then it was first come first serve on a specific card. Otherwise if someone else was subbing the same card, they had to wait the next month.

OP, I know it doesn't help you know but I truly hope it gets worked out. Any chance you can see if any other Namath rookies were graded recently based on a pop report?