Top players of all time by combined Award Share in their top 5 seasons

GOATcards · 04-13-2021, 04:46 PM

Ref: https://www.basketball-reference.com...vp_shares.html

MJ top 5:
1990-91 NBA 0.928 (1)
1991-92 NBA 0.938 (1)
1995-96 NBA 0.986 (1)
1996-97 NBA 0.832 (2)
1997-98 NBA 0.934 (1)
(doesn't even include 1987-88 NBA 0.831 (1) )
TOTAL: 4.62

Bron top 5:
2008-09 NBA 0.969 (1)
2009-10 NBA 0.980 (1)
2011-12 NBA 0.888 (1)
2012-13 NBA 0.998 (1)
2019-20 NBA 0.746 (2)
TOTAL: 4.59

[to expand things a bit more: MJ's 6th and 7th best marks are .831 and .704 ('88-89), and for Bron they are .731 ('17-18) and .713 ('13-14). It's when you count up seasons beyond this that things begin adding up more for Bron.]

Bird top 5:
1980-81 NBA 0.613 (2)
1983-84 NBA 0.858 (1)
1984-85 NBA 0.978 (1)
1985-86 NBA 0.981 (1)
1987-88 NBA 0.659 (2)
TOTAL: 4.09

Magic top 5:
1986-87 NBA 0.940 (1)
1987-88 NBA 0.635 (3)
1988-89 NBA 0.782 (1)
1989-90 NBA 0.691 (1)
1990-91 NBA 0.518 (2)
TOTAL: 3.57

Harden top 5:
2014-15 NBA 0.720 (2)
2016-17 NBA 0.746 (2)
2017-18 NBA 0.955 (1)
2018-19 NBA 0.768 (2)
2019-20 NBA 0.363 (3)
TOTAL: 3.55

Kareem top 5:
1970-71 NBA 0.895 (1)
1971-72 NBA 0.646 (1)
1973-74 NBA 0.583 (1)
1976-77 NBA 0.644 (1)
1979-80 NBA 0.665 (1)
TOTAL: 3.43

Shaq top 5:
1994-95 NBA 0.576 (2)
1999-00 NBA 0.998 (1)
2000-01 NBA 0.466 (3)
2001-02 NBA 0.552 (3)
2004-05 NBA 0.813 (2)
TOTAL: 3.41

Duncan top 5:
1998-99 NBA 0.627 (3)
2000-01 NBA 0.569 (2)
2001-02 NBA 0.757 (1)
2002-03 NBA 0.808 (1)
2003-04 NBA 0.582 (2)
TOTAL: 3.35

Karl top 5:
1988-89 NBA 0.426 (3)
1994-95 NBA 0.507 (3)
1996-97 NBA 0.857 (1)
1997-98 NBA 0.726 (2)
1998-99 NBA 0.701 (1)
TOTAL: 3.23

Wilt top 5:
1959-60 NBA 0.684 (1)
1963-64 NBA 0.448 (2)
1965-66 NBA 0.407 (1)
1966-67 NBA 0.822 (1)
1967-68 NBA 0.725 (1)
TOTAL: 3.09

Russell top 5:
1957-58 NBA 0.570 (1)
1960-61 NBA 0.561 (1)
1961-62 NBA 0.699 (1)
1962-63 NBA 0.675 (1)
1964-65 NBA 0.535 (1)
TOTAL: 3.04

Durant top 5:
2009-10 NBA 0.495 (2)
2010-11 NBA 0.157 (5)
2011-12 NBA 0.735 (2)
2012-13 NBA 0.632 (2)
2013-14 NBA 0.986 (1)
TOTAL: 3.01

D-Rob top 5:
1990-91 NBA 0.496 (3)
1991-92 NBA 0.351 (3)
1993-94 NBA 0.723 (2)
1994-95 NBA 0.858 (1)
1995-96 NBA 0.508 (2)
TOTAL: 2.94

Kobe top 5:
2002-03 NBA 0.417 (3)
2006-07 NBA 0.404 (3)
2007-08 NBA 0.873 (1)
2008-09 NBA 0.577 (2)
2009-10 NBA 0.487 (3)
TOTAL: 2.76

Moses top 5:
1978-79 NBA 0.502 (1)
1980-81 NBA 0.261 (4)
1981-82 NBA 0.735 (1)
1982-83 NBA 0.960 (1)
1984-85 NBA 0.279 (3)
TOTAL: 2.73

Garnett top 5:
1999-00 NBA 0.337 (2)
2000-01 NBA 0.122 (5)
2002-03 NBA 0.732 (2)
2003-04 NBA 0.991 (1)
2007-08 NBA 0.532 (3)
TOTAL: 2.71

Olajuwon top 5:
1985-86 NBA 0.247 (4)
1988-89 NBA 0.211 (5)
1992-93 NBA 0.660 (2)
1993-94 NBA 0.880 (1)
1995-96 NBA 0.211 (4)
TOTAL: 2.21

Barkley top 5:
1985-86 NBA 0.171 (6)
1986-87 NBA 0.145 (6)
1989-90 NBA 0.667 (2)
1990-91 NBA 0.231 (4)
1992-93 NBA 0.852 (1)
TOTAL: 2.07

yiguiri2002 · 04-13-2021, 05:12 PM

Crazy that MJ had 6 season with over .800 and only won 5 MVPs.

Also, Harden being the 2nd active leader and Giannis leaping to 4th by the end of the season (being barely above 25) show how underrated they still are.

k13 · 04-13-2021, 06:54 PM

Check advanced stats if you want a real comparison of something not joke votes.

GOATcards · 04-13-2021, 11:07 PM

Breaking it down more finely between MJ and Bron.

Bron top 10 seasons by MVP Award Share (w/rank):
2005-06 NBA 0.550 (2)
2008-09 NBA 0.969 (1)
2009-10 NBA 0.980 (1)
2010-11 NBA 0.431 (3)
2011-12 NBA 0.888 (1)
2012-13 NBA 0.998 (1)
2013-14 NBA 0.713 (2)
2015-16 NBA 0.482 (3)
2017-18 NBA 0.731 (2)
2019-20 NBA 0.746 (2)
TOTAL: 7.49

MJ Top Ten . . . drum roll . . .
1986-87 NBA 0.576 (2)
1987-88 NBA 0.831 (1)
1988-89 NBA 0.704 (2)
1989-90 NBA 0.613 (3)
1990-91 NBA 0.928 (1)
1991-92 NBA 0.938 (1)
1992-93 NBA 0.577 (3)
1995-96 NBA 0.986 (1)
1996-97 NBA 0.832 (2)
1997-98 NBA 0.934 (1)
TOTAL: 7.92

This goes to MJ. MJ 6 Finals MVPs. MJ = GOAT

bberns · 04-14-2021, 01:26 AM

I like this metric. Thanks for doing this OP.

It reconfirms what many other metrics also show: MJ is 1A and LeBron is 1B.

Kobe101 · 04-14-2021, 04:34 AM

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GOATcards · 04-14-2021, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Breaking it down more finely between MJ and Bron.

Bron top 10 seasons by MVP Award Share (w/rank):
2005-06 NBA 0.550 (2)
2008-09 NBA 0.969 (1)
2009-10 NBA 0.980 (1)
2010-11 NBA 0.431 (3)
2011-12 NBA 0.888 (1)
2012-13 NBA 0.998 (1)
2013-14 NBA 0.713 (2)
2015-16 NBA 0.482 (3)
2017-18 NBA 0.731 (2)
2019-20 NBA 0.746 (2)
TOTAL: 7.49

MJ Top Ten . . . drum roll . . .
1986-87 NBA 0.576 (2)
1987-88 NBA 0.831 (1)
1988-89 NBA 0.704 (2)
1989-90 NBA 0.613 (3)
1990-91 NBA 0.928 (1)
1991-92 NBA 0.938 (1)
1992-93 NBA 0.577 (3)
1995-96 NBA 0.986 (1)
1996-97 NBA 0.832 (2)
1997-98 NBA 0.934 (1)
TOTAL: 7.92

This goes to MJ. MJ 6 Finals MVPs. MJ = GOAT

Supposing MJ played full seasons in '94-95, and supposing his Award Share for those seasons was the same as the two lowest shares from the surrounding 3-Peat runs. So .57 and .83 add up to 1.4. So if we hypothetically add that 1.4 to MJ's total for a top 12 seasons, we end up with 9.3 for a total. Bron would be adding around 2 seasons of .4 Award Share apiec, bringing his top-12-seasons total to 8.3. MJ GOAT

tjforce · 04-14-2021, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bberns

I like this metric. Thanks for doing this OP.

It reconfirms what many other metrics also show: MJ is 1A and LeBron is 1B.

There's a reason why bringing up the discussion of MJ vs LeBron triggers so many people... and why the discussions of MJ vs Kobe, or vs Duncan, or vs whomever else rarely even get brought up.

tjforce · 04-14-2021, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Crazy that MJ had 6 season with over .800 and only won 5 MVPs.

Also, Harden being the 2nd active leader and Giannis leaping to 4th by the end of the season (being barely above 25) show how underrated they still are.

What's nuts is imagine Giannis if he wins a title this year and try to make a case that he wouldn't already be top 20 all time if he did, based on anything other than him not having the career counting stats that comes simply from playing many years.

MavsRChamps · 04-14-2021, 04:46 PM

Great analysis! You can tell a lot about a players regular season dominance with this. I want to emphasis regular season though as playoffs is totally different for some players. Take my favorite player Dirk Nowitzki - he rarely dominates the ball during the season, preferred to get his teammates involved until he had to turn it on. So his peak regular reason numbers are pretty mediocre for an al time great. Even his nba championship year he only averaged 23 ppg inc. decreased minutes - but he always raised his level of urgency in the playoffs. Less kicking the ball out and more shot creation in the post. Less deferring to teammates to help build their confidence and more taking shots himself.

So it’s a great stat & analysis but can’t overlook that it’s regular season based.

04-13-2021, 04:46 PM	#1
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	Top players of all time by combined Award Share in their top 5 seasons Ref: https://www.basketball-reference.com...vp_shares.html MJ top 5: 1990-91 NBA 0.928 (1) 1991-92 NBA 0.938 (1) 1995-96 NBA 0.986 (1) 1996-97 NBA 0.832 (2) 1997-98 NBA 0.934 (1) (doesn't even include 1987-88 NBA 0.831 (1) ) TOTAL: 4.62 Bron top 5: 2008-09 NBA 0.969 (1) 2009-10 NBA 0.980 (1) 2011-12 NBA 0.888 (1) 2012-13 NBA 0.998 (1) 2019-20 NBA 0.746 (2) TOTAL: 4.59 [to expand things a bit more: MJ's 6th and 7th best marks are .831 and .704 ('88-89), and for Bron they are .731 ('17-18) and .713 ('13-14). It's when you count up seasons beyond this that things begin adding up more for Bron.] Bird top 5: 1980-81 NBA 0.613 (2) 1983-84 NBA 0.858 (1) 1984-85 NBA 0.978 (1) 1985-86 NBA 0.981 (1) 1987-88 NBA 0.659 (2) TOTAL: 4.09 Magic top 5: 1986-87 NBA 0.940 (1) 1987-88 NBA 0.635 (3) 1988-89 NBA 0.782 (1) 1989-90 NBA 0.691 (1) 1990-91 NBA 0.518 (2) TOTAL: 3.57 Harden top 5: 2014-15 NBA 0.720 (2) 2016-17 NBA 0.746 (2) 2017-18 NBA 0.955 (1) 2018-19 NBA 0.768 (2) 2019-20 NBA 0.363 (3) TOTAL: 3.55 Kareem top 5: 1970-71 NBA 0.895 (1) 1971-72 NBA 0.646 (1) 1973-74 NBA 0.583 (1) 1976-77 NBA 0.644 (1) 1979-80 NBA 0.665 (1) TOTAL: 3.43 Shaq top 5: 1994-95 NBA 0.576 (2) 1999-00 NBA 0.998 (1) 2000-01 NBA 0.466 (3) 2001-02 NBA 0.552 (3) 2004-05 NBA 0.813 (2) TOTAL: 3.41 Duncan top 5: 1998-99 NBA 0.627 (3) 2000-01 NBA 0.569 (2) 2001-02 NBA 0.757 (1) 2002-03 NBA 0.808 (1) 2003-04 NBA 0.582 (2) TOTAL: 3.35 Karl top 5: 1988-89 NBA 0.426 (3) 1994-95 NBA 0.507 (3) 1996-97 NBA 0.857 (1) 1997-98 NBA 0.726 (2) 1998-99 NBA 0.701 (1) TOTAL: 3.23 Wilt top 5: 1959-60 NBA 0.684 (1) 1963-64 NBA 0.448 (2) 1965-66 NBA 0.407 (1) 1966-67 NBA 0.822 (1) 1967-68 NBA 0.725 (1) TOTAL: 3.09 Russell top 5: 1957-58 NBA 0.570 (1) 1960-61 NBA 0.561 (1) 1961-62 NBA 0.699 (1) 1962-63 NBA 0.675 (1) 1964-65 NBA 0.535 (1) TOTAL: 3.04 Durant top 5: 2009-10 NBA 0.495 (2) 2010-11 NBA 0.157 (5) 2011-12 NBA 0.735 (2) 2012-13 NBA 0.632 (2) 2013-14 NBA 0.986 (1) TOTAL: 3.01 D-Rob top 5: 1990-91 NBA 0.496 (3) 1991-92 NBA 0.351 (3) 1993-94 NBA 0.723 (2) 1994-95 NBA 0.858 (1) 1995-96 NBA 0.508 (2) TOTAL: 2.94 Kobe top 5: 2002-03 NBA 0.417 (3) 2006-07 NBA 0.404 (3) 2007-08 NBA 0.873 (1) 2008-09 NBA 0.577 (2) 2009-10 NBA 0.487 (3) TOTAL: 2.76 Moses top 5: 1978-79 NBA 0.502 (1) 1980-81 NBA 0.261 (4) 1981-82 NBA 0.735 (1) 1982-83 NBA 0.960 (1) 1984-85 NBA 0.279 (3) TOTAL: 2.73 Garnett top 5: 1999-00 NBA 0.337 (2) 2000-01 NBA 0.122 (5) 2002-03 NBA 0.732 (2) 2003-04 NBA 0.991 (1) 2007-08 NBA 0.532 (3) TOTAL: 2.71 Olajuwon top 5: 1985-86 NBA 0.247 (4) 1988-89 NBA 0.211 (5) 1992-93 NBA 0.660 (2) 1993-94 NBA 0.880 (1) 1995-96 NBA 0.211 (4) TOTAL: 2.21 Barkley top 5: 1985-86 NBA 0.171 (6) 1986-87 NBA 0.145 (6) 1989-90 NBA 0.667 (2) 1990-91 NBA 0.231 (4) 1992-93 NBA 0.852 (1) TOTAL: 2.07

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04-13-2021, 11:07 PM	#4
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	Breaking it down more finely between MJ and Bron. Bron top 10 seasons by MVP Award Share (w/rank): 2005-06 NBA 0.550 (2) 2008-09 NBA 0.969 (1) 2009-10 NBA 0.980 (1) 2010-11 NBA 0.431 (3) 2011-12 NBA 0.888 (1) 2012-13 NBA 0.998 (1) 2013-14 NBA 0.713 (2) 2015-16 NBA 0.482 (3) 2017-18 NBA 0.731 (2) 2019-20 NBA 0.746 (2) TOTAL: 7.49 MJ Top Ten . . . drum roll . . . 1986-87 NBA 0.576 (2) 1987-88 NBA 0.831 (1) 1988-89 NBA 0.704 (2) 1989-90 NBA 0.613 (3) 1990-91 NBA 0.928 (1) 1991-92 NBA 0.938 (1) 1992-93 NBA 0.577 (3) 1995-96 NBA 0.986 (1) 1996-97 NBA 0.832 (2) 1997-98 NBA 0.934 (1) TOTAL: 7.92 This goes to MJ. MJ 6 Finals MVPs. MJ = GOAT

04-14-2021, 01:26 AM	#5
bberns Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 1,724 bberns	I like this metric. Thanks for doing this OP. It reconfirms what many other metrics also show: MJ is 1A and LeBron is 1B.

04-14-2021, 04:34 AM	#6
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04-14-2021, 04:46 PM	#10
MavsRChamps Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 2,932 purple3252	Great analysis! You can tell a lot about a players regular season dominance with this. I want to emphasis regular season though as playoffs is totally different for some players. Take my favorite player Dirk Nowitzki - he rarely dominates the ball during the season, preferred to get his teammates involved until he had to turn it on. So his peak regular reason numbers are pretty mediocre for an al time great. Even his nba championship year he only averaged 23 ppg inc. decreased minutes - but he always raised his level of urgency in the playoffs. Less kicking the ball out and more shot creation in the post. Less deferring to teammates to help build their confidence and more taking shots himself. So it’s a great stat & analysis but can’t overlook that it’s regular season based.