PWCC Selling Erased, Trimmed, and Recolored PSA 9 1966 Topps Rose, Probstein Origin

3124508 on COMC · 04-20-2021, 01:41 PM

Buyer beware of this mess up for sale with PWCC. I'll let the photos do the talking. First sold altered by Probstein.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2736222
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1424700

PSA cert #: 27542689

.gif isn't perfect, but it gets the point across:

superdan49 · 04-20-2021, 02:23 PM

Nice find. Any clues on the doctor?

3124508 on COMC · 04-20-2021, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Nice find. Any clues on the doctor?

Not sure. Small PSA sub. The ones graded well enough to sell went to Probstein. Didn’t recognize VCP buyer ID of PSA 8.

Uwfootball1 · 04-20-2021, 02:34 PM

man the gif really makes it so clear!

pip · 04-20-2021, 04:05 PM

That's an extremely uneven cut along the right side of the Rose. This was no ordinary, semi-incompetent professional card trimmer at work here. Just a small sub amateur, most likely.

MoreToppsPlease · 04-20-2021, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

That's an extremely uneven cut along the right side of the Rose. This was no ordinary, semi-incompetent professional card trimmer at work here. Just a small sub amateur, most likely.

But it still got past the goaltender and will only encourage more amateurs.

patchgenie · 04-20-2021, 04:46 PM

must have been speed grading day at PSA.

kyle1707 · 04-20-2021, 04:50 PM

Re coloring
Erasing
Trimming

My question would be what does Psa look at when they are grading ?

MoreToppsPlease · 04-20-2021, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Re coloring
Erasing
Trimming

My question would be what does Psa look at when they are grading ?

PSA is just furthering the narrative that cards in their slabs aren’t important, just the number on their labels.

Uwfootball1 · 04-20-2021, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

PSA is just furthering the narrative that cards in their slabs aren’t important, just the number on their labels.

I mean that is all its every been, and the card is authentic still which is other part people really care about more (most collectors)

pip · 04-20-2021, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Re coloring
Erasing
Trimming

My question would be what does Psa look at when they are grading ?

The name of the submitter.

3124508 on COMC · 06-04-2021, 06:10 PM

And PSA has reviewed this card. They were unable to detect any of the alterations. PWCC is now selling it with their eye appeal sticker.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2814119

Bruins1993 · 06-04-2021, 06:34 PM

What's up Nat?

tconte · 06-04-2021, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

What's up Nat?

Lol! Same old slop.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-04-2021, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

And PSA has reviewed this card. They were unable to detect any of the alterations. PWCC is now selling it with their eye appeal sticker.

Unable…unwilling…doesn’t care. PWCC certainly doesn’t.

mjohnatgt · 06-04-2021, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

What's up Nat?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. What a freaking joke.

ken161 · 06-04-2021, 08:10 PM

The eye appeal of the card isn't any better post-alterations. In fact, it's worse as the trimmed PSA9 is sitting crooked in the holder.

The re-colored red on the jersey seems like it would stick out like a sore thumb.

whackadoo · 06-04-2021, 09:04 PM

we've trashed (rightfully so) PSA, et al non-stop since this "buy card / alter card / sell same now-worthless card for a sh!t-ton of profit/ rinse and repeat" circle jerk fiasco was discovered (or rediscovered depending on how long you've been involved in this hobby). but out of this long list of co-conspirators, PSA is absolutely IMO where the buck stops. If they can ever figure out how to get their sh!t together, this whole daisy chain of b.s. might finally come to an end, no?

BTW this comes from the buyer of a trimmed PSA 5 '48 Leaf Musial rookie outed by BO! Thanks for the heads-up, guys! No PSA did not reimburse me. Thankfully PWCC did. I'm done with them too.

cking · 06-04-2021, 11:19 PM

I have a question.

Why is it when HGA makes a bad mistake the PSA crew on here bashes them like crazy.

But when PSA does something like give this card the all good to go knowing it has been altered they never seem to appear to share their opinion. Why is that?

ken161 · 06-05-2021, 06:41 AM

Link to the PSA9 not working. Looks like PWCC pulled the card. Time to get PSA to review, give their stamp of approval, and relist this bad boy.

Never get cheated.

blackbears86 · 06-05-2021, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

The name of the submitter.

at this point. I'm really starting to think this.

How can a card obviously manipulated like this be missed by PSA???

paging Mr. Turner: I thought things were going to change?

blackbears86 · 06-05-2021, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken161

Link to the PSA9 not working. Looks like PWCC pulled the card. Time to get PSA to review, give their stamp of approval, and relist this bad boy.

ALWAYS get cheated.

fixed for you.

BaseballKing · 06-05-2021, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Re coloring
Erasing
Trimming

My question would be what does Psa look at when they are grading ?

POP reports

BaseballKing · 06-05-2021, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbears86

at this point. I'm really starting to think this.

How can a card obviously manipulated like this be missed by PSA???

paging Mr. Turner: I thought things were going to change?

Isn't Mr.Turner an NBA super collector whose own cards are mostly in BGS holders?

3124508 on COMC · 06-05-2021, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken161

Link to the PSA9 not working. Looks like PWCC pulled the card. Time to get PSA to review, give their stamp of approval, and relist this bad boy.

Never get cheated.

Yeah, that already happened.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

And PSA has reviewed this card. They were unable to detect any of the alterations. PWCC is now selling it with their eye appeal sticker.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2814119

04-20-2021, 01:41 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	PWCC Selling Erased, Trimmed, and Recolored PSA 9 1966 Topps Rose, Probstein Origin Buyer beware of this mess up for sale with PWCC. I'll let the photos do the talking. First sold altered by Probstein. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2736222 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1424700 PSA cert #: 27542689 .gif isn't perfect, but it gets the point across: __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

04-20-2021, 02:23 PM	#2
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06-04-2021, 06:10 PM	#12
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	And PSA has reviewed this card. They were unable to detect any of the alterations. PWCC is now selling it with their eye appeal sticker. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2814119 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-04-2021, 06:34 PM	#13
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,289	What's up Nat? __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

04-20-2021, 04:05 PM	#5
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	That's an extremely uneven cut along the right side of the Rose. This was no ordinary, semi-incompetent professional card trimmer at work here. Just a small sub amateur, most likely.

04-20-2021, 04:46 PM	#7
patchgenie Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,841 americansportscards	must have been speed grading day at PSA.

04-20-2021, 04:50 PM	#8
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,449	Re coloring Erasing Trimming My question would be what does Psa look at when they are grading ?

06-04-2021, 08:10 PM	#17
ken161 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 416	The eye appeal of the card isn't any better post-alterations. In fact, it's worse as the trimmed PSA9 is sitting crooked in the holder. The re-colored red on the jersey seems like it would stick out like a sore thumb.

06-04-2021, 09:04 PM	#18
whackadoo Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Texas Posts: 390	we've trashed (rightfully so) PSA, et al non-stop since this "buy card / alter card / sell same now-worthless card for a sh!t-ton of profit/ rinse and repeat" circle jerk fiasco was discovered (or rediscovered depending on how long you've been involved in this hobby). but out of this long list of co-conspirators, PSA is absolutely IMO where the buck stops. If they can ever figure out how to get their sh!t together, this whole daisy chain of b.s. might finally come to an end, no? BTW this comes from the buyer of a trimmed PSA 5 '48 Leaf Musial rookie outed by BO! Thanks for the heads-up, guys! No PSA did not reimburse me. Thankfully PWCC did. I'm done with them too. Last edited by whackadoo; 06-04-2021 at 09:07 PM.

06-04-2021, 11:19 PM	#19
cking Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16,263	I have a question. Why is it when HGA makes a bad mistake the PSA crew on here bashes them like crazy. But when PSA does something like give this card the all good to go knowing it has been altered they never seem to appear to share their opinion. Why is that?

06-05-2021, 06:41 AM	#20
ken161 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 416	Link to the PSA9 not working. Looks like PWCC pulled the card. Time to get PSA to review, give their stamp of approval, and relist this bad boy. Never get cheated.