MLBPA and MLB Grievances against each other

WizardofOz1982 · 05-13-2021, 01:22 PM

Everyone ready for the work stoppage after this season?

MLBPA wants $500 million from MLB for playing a short season last year. MLB wants MLBPA to tell their players to shut up and accept service time manipulation. This should be fun.

premium1981 · 05-13-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WizardofOz1982

Everyone ready for the work stoppage after this season?

MLBPA wants $500 million from MLB for playing a short season last year. MLB wants MLBPA to tell their players to shut up and accept service time manipulation. This should be fun.

Don't they stop working after every season? Its called the offseason. Spring Training and onwards is all I am worried about. And that will be played as normal.

Randallk34 · 05-13-2021, 01:25 PM

Maybe they'll do replacement players. Would be more fun to watch at times then these overpaid babies with $20,000 necklaces on

WizardofOz1982 · 05-13-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Don't they stop working after every season? Its called the offseason. Spring Training and onwards is all I am worried about. And that will be played as normal.

It won't be if there isn't a renewal/renegotiation of the CBA that expires after the 2021 World Series.

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Don't they stop working after every season? Its called the offseason. Spring Training and onwards is all I am worried about. And that will be played as normal.

That’s not what a work stoppage is and you know it.

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Randallk34

Maybe they'll do replacement players. Would be more fun to watch at times then these overpaid babies with $20,000 necklaces on

How would you feel if your employer replaced you illegally for someone cheaper?!

salas1991 · 05-13-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WizardofOz1982

Everyone ready for the work stoppage after this season?

MLBPA wants $500 million from MLB for playing a short season last year. MLB wants MLBPA to tell their players to shut up and accept service time manipulation. This should be fun.

Yeah, I was pretty much ready last June for no MLB in 2022...

WizardofOz1982 · 05-13-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by salas1991

Yeah, I was pretty much ready last June for no MLB in 2022...

Yeah, the writing has been on the wall for a couple seasons now.

JeremyNick · 05-13-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

How would you feel if your employer replaced you illegally for someone cheaper?!

If they don’t have a contract in place, how is it replacing them illegally?

premium1981 · 05-13-2021, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

That’s not what a work stoppage is and you know it.

Tongue and cheek. The "work stoppage" will only take place in the off season. There will be a season next year. Bank on it. And it will 99.9% chance start on time like nothing ever happened.

premium1981 · 05-13-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

How would you feel if your employer replaced you illegally for someone cheaper?!

LOL, illegally. If a worker refuses to do a job it's illegal to find someone else that will? Ok

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

LOL, illegally. If a worker refuses to do a job it's illegal to find someone else that will? Ok

When you lock them out, yes.

salas1991 · 05-13-2021, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

Tongue and cheek. The "work stoppage" will only take place in the off season. There will be a season next year. Bank on it. And it will 99.9% chance start on time like nothing ever happened.

Wish I had your optimism. My personal best-case feeling is that both sides finally wake up around midseason and realize how much money they've lost out on by not meeting in the middle somewhere. There was no agreement on the season last year, so why would we expect anything different going into next year?

corockies · 05-13-2021, 02:45 PM

I'll gladly take half the minimum pay a major leaguer makes to strike out all the time. I can do that just like most of the guys currently playing.

Stech36 · 05-13-2021, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

When you lock them out, yes.

I doubt the MLB does a lockout. The players are the ones who would go on strike

premium1981 · 05-13-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by salas1991

Wish I had your optimism. My personal best-case feeling is that both sides finally wake up around midseason and realize how much money they've lost out on by not meeting in the middle somewhere. There was no agreement on the season last year, so why would we expect anything different going into next year?

There was no agreement last year because they didn’t have to have one and it was position jockeying for these negotiations. Most said no baseball last year too due to the bickering. But we had baseball, and I said that from the start too. You have to look past the fronts that both sides put up. It’s not as it seems on the surface.

ScooterD · 05-13-2021, 04:10 PM

No offense to anyone in particular, but these threads frustrate me because so many of the comments and so much of the commentary are partially informed opinions passed off as facts.

Labor negotiations in the realm of professional sports is highly technical and cannot be be fully comprehended based on understanding of a different type business. The owners, labor, and shareholders, to include each group’s responsibilities to other parties (implicitly and explicitly), in these circumstances are unique and carry substantial weight downstream from each step of the process.

What I’m trying to say is that I wish that people wouldn’t say that the sky is falling or going to fall unless they know (not think) that’s definitely the case.

Keyser Soze · 05-13-2021, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

How would you feel if your employer replaced you illegally for someone cheaper?!

If I were that easily replaced, I would reconsider my position on whatever led to me to that point.

Triple B · 05-13-2021, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

LOL, illegally. If a worker refuses to do a job it's illegal to find someone else that will? Ok

You clearly don’t know how this all works.

JWBlue · 05-13-2021, 07:07 PM

..and so it begins.

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by salas1991

Wish I had your optimism. My personal best-case feeling is that both sides finally wake up around midseason and realize how much money they've lost out on by not meeting in the middle somewhere. There was no agreement on the season last year, so why would we expect anything different going into next year?

They HAD a deal. And the owners reneged.

MLBPA agreed to prorated contracts ON OPENING DAY!

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by premium1981

There was no agreement last year because they didn’t have to have one and it was position jockeying for these negotiations. Most said no baseball last year too due to the bickering. But we had baseball, and I said that from the start too. You have to look past the fronts that both sides put up. It’s not as it seems on the surface.

There was a deal that was abandoned by ownership.

awz50 · 05-13-2021, 07:12 PM

Millionaires vs billionaires

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stech36

I doubt the MLB does a lockout. The players are the ones who would go on strike

That last player strike in North American sports was in 1994.

Every other labor stoppage since then was a lockout.

ewokpelts · 05-13-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Millionaires vs billionaires

Management vs skilled labor.

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Randallk34 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2,000	Maybe they'll do replacement players. Would be more fun to watch at times then these overpaid babies with $20,000 necklaces on

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corockies Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,362 corockies corockies	I'll gladly take half the minimum pay a major leaguer makes to strike out all the time. I can do that just like most of the guys currently playing.

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ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,428	No offense to anyone in particular, but these threads frustrate me because so many of the comments and so much of the commentary are partially informed opinions passed off as facts. Labor negotiations in the realm of professional sports is highly technical and cannot be be fully comprehended based on understanding of a different type business. The owners, labor, and shareholders, to include each group’s responsibilities to other parties (implicitly and explicitly), in these circumstances are unique and carry substantial weight downstream from each step of the process. What I’m trying to say is that I wish that people wouldn’t say that the sky is falling or going to fall unless they know (not think) that’s definitely the case.

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JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 10,067	..and so it begins.