Jose Altuve is quietly raking this year...

[Noles939913]

So the question I pose is this. How much will the writers hold the cheating scandal against him when it comes to a potential HOF case. Would you vote for Altuve for the HOF if he ends up with a HOF type resume?

[pewe]

He’s got the 5th most fWAR on his team right now... so I’d guess he first needs to actually be the most valuable player on the roster before a MVP consideration is possible


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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by pewe

He’s got the 5th most fWAR on his team right now... so I’d guess he first needs to actually be the most valuable player on the roster before a MVP consideration is possible


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He’s already won an MVP and furthermore this thread isn’t about his MVP consideration this year.

[panamamyers]

It's interesting that Altuve gets the most scrutiny yet by all accounts barely used it.
Bregman and Correa would be the bigger question as they used it a lot and are also on track for the hall at this time.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

He’s already won an MVP and furthermore this thread isn’t about his MVP consideration this year.

Clearly my eyes and brain were not in sync

If he puts up a solid HOF candidacy, I don’t think the cheating scandal does anything to him... he wasn’t even a core perpetrator of it

With that said... not sure he’s got an easy path to compile lifetime stats necessary to make the HOF


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[sportstrader14]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

It's interesting that Altuve gets the most scrutiny yet by all accounts barely used it.
Bregman and Correa would be the bigger question as they used it a lot and are also on track for the hall at this time.

Correa is far from on track for the hall....

[Skipscards]

The cheating scandal won’t impact any of their candidacies other than maybe delay them by a couple of years. If any of them put up HOF numbers they will eventually get in.

[anusinha]

Altuve was on a Jeteresque pace for career stats, but he had a but of a bum year and then a shortened COVID year which may hurt his accumulation. He probably wont get in first ballot with the cheating scandal, but if he gets close to 60 WAR over his career, he will get in eventually.

[Chicharito]

Altuve needs some buzz guys

[panamamyers]

Originally Posted by sportstrader14

Correa is far from on track for the hall....

Came into the year with 26.9 WAR.
That is after six injury riddled and COVID shortened years.
If we conservatively expect him to play similarly over this year and the following five years which would take him through his year 30 season, he would be at over 53 WAR.

What players have had 50 WAR by their age 30 season and not made the Hall?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by sportstrader14

Correa is far from on track for the hall....

Correa is a no doubt HOF talent. He is averaging nearly 30 HRs and 100 RBIs per 162 games. Trouble is, he rarely plays an entire season. Despite this, he’s only just entering his prime. If he can keep playing at this level and stay healthy, he’s a lock for the Hall. If he can’t, he’s Hanley Ramirez.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by sportstrader14

Correa is far from on track for the hall....

Why is everyone saying Correa isn’t on track, he has 28.1 WAR already, he’s only 26!!! Yes, he is on track... but also yes if he can’t stay on the field not only will he not hit the counting stats but all those injuries will take their toll. And if you don’t like WAR Correa also has a 125 OPS+ and stellar defense, already at 113 HR as a SS, 134 doubles, 400+ RBI’s and R’s. And he still has most of his age 26 season left and 3 more full seasons before turning 30.

[panamamyers]

He's also tied for 9th all time already for post season home runs at age 26.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

It's interesting that Altuve gets the most scrutiny yet by all accounts barely used it.
Bregman and Correa would be the bigger question as they used it a lot and are also on track for the hall at this time.

That is a good point and even more bizarre considering most found him more likeable than both Correa and Bregman before the scandal.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pewe

He’s got the 5th most fWAR on his team right now... so I’d guess he first needs to actually be the most valuable player on the roster before a MVP consideration is possible

He’s missed about a quarter of his team’s games.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

Came into the year with 26.9 WAR.
That is after six injury riddled and COVID shortened years.
If we conservatively expect him to play similarly over this year and the following five years which would take him through his year 30 season, he would be at over 53 WAR.

What players have had 50 WAR by their age 30 season and not made the Hall?

fWAR was 19.4 coming into this year...

Sad how much time he’s missed over the years


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

He’s missed about a quarter of his team’s games.

Sounds like Trout’s backup argument

In this case both Bregman and Alvarez have also played a similar number of games this year, yet have much more WAR vs. Altuve


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[panamamyers]

Originally Posted by pewe

fWAR was 19.4 coming into this year...

Sad how much time he’s missed over the years


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Right.
Even then....what 30 year old had 40 WAR and then didn't make the Hall? I'd imagine the list is pretty short.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pewe

Sounds like Trout’s backup argument

In this case both Bregman and Alvarez have also played a similar number of games this year, yet have much more WAR vs. Altuve

Each has played at least 10% more games than Altuve has so far and of course play different positions.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Each has played at least 10% more games than Altuve has so far and of course play different positions.

And have 30 and 40% more WAR

So winning the WAR / game

Gurriel is also putting up more WAR / game than Altuve, although also has played 1/3 more so his total WAR is 1.6


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

Right.
Even then....what 30 year old had 40 WAR and then didn't make the Hall? I'd imagine the list is pretty short.

As a Red Sox fan, some names immediately come to mind... I bet Pedroia doesn’t make it

Definitely Nomar Garciaparra won’t...


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[SupermanBrandon]

Cheater!

[BeastMode27]

Wright and Longoria both had well over 40 through age 30, closer to 50. Neither will make it. Hanley had about 35 through 30. Mccutchen had 40 through age 30. Won’t make it.
Tough to get WAR past age 30 unless you are a pitcher. They struggle at the beginning of careers while batters thrive. Their WAR’s have a reverse trajectory. Correa doesn’t scream someone who will all of a sudden stay healthy and have great WAR in his 30’s, but you never know.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by BeastMode27

Wright and Longoria both had well over 40 through age 30, closer to 50. Neither will make it. Hanley had about 35 through 30. Mccutchen had 40 through age 30. Won’t make it.
Tough to get WAR past age 30 unless you are a pitcher. They struggle at the beginning of careers while batters thrive. Their WAR’s have a reverse trajectory. Correa doesn’t scream someone who will all of a sudden stay healthy and have great WAR in his 30’s, but you never know.

Feels like the exceptions might be finesse (not power) batters who remain passable in the field, and DH?

Would be interesting to look at what profile still adds value most commonly post 30 YO...

But I’m thinking folks like Ichiro and Jeter for finesse, and Edgar and Ortiz for DH


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[Lonewolf]

Nope, bang bang buzz buzz*