Finalists for MVP announced, who ya got?

Earvin32 · 05-20-2021, 10:38 PM

The NBA announced that the Joker, Steph and Embiid are the top 3 finalists. Who wins it and why? Discuss.

The defensive MVP top 3 are Golbert, D. Green, and Simmons

tjforce · 05-20-2021, 10:47 PM

MVP: Jokic.

He played the most games and IMO contributed to more wins than anyone else. This isn't the Best Player On The Planet award, this it Most Valuable. He provided to most value to his team in getting Denver to the 3 seed.

DPOY: Ben Simmons. Was the defensive standout on the second best defense in the league. Took on many of the toughest defensive assignments night in and night out across 4 positions.

These are just my opinions... a lot of good candidates on those lists.

Kingofkings1281 · 05-20-2021, 10:52 PM

I’m actually leaning towards Steph as MVP, but Jokic deserves it just as much.

The_Reverend · 05-20-2021, 10:57 PM

Joker or the award is a joke!

eastbayak · 05-20-2021, 11:04 PM

Stephen Curry has my vote but I'm biased as a Dubs fan. However, they finished with a respectable 39-33 record (and were 38-26 when Curry played). Wiggins was the second option, and while not bad, wasn't as reliable as Jamal Murray OR Michael Porter. Joker had one hell of a season but he had two legit second/third options (equally could've been the number one or two options on many other teams, Warriors included). The Nuggets had years of playing with the same players so there's years of chemistry already built-in whereas the Warriors haven't had the same privilege (many new faces this year, Curry was basically out all of last year, etc).

Once again, I'm biased but I think Curry was more valuable to his team than Joker was to his. And in no way am I saying Joker wasn't valuable, I'm just thinking the Warriors needed Curry more than the Nuggets needed Joker (to succeed).

oldschooled · 05-20-2021, 11:12 PM

As much as I love Steph and probably the best player on the planet right now. This is Joker's MVP to lose.

MVP: Jokic
DPOY: Ben Simmons

Lankybox · 05-20-2021, 11:58 PM

If we really stick to being the Most "Valuable", Curry deserves this award. Imagine removing him from this warriors team, they'll be bottom 4 for sure.

Tallboy · 05-21-2021, 12:21 AM

Jokic. Brilliant adaptive player. Rock solid all year long.

Curry was the MVP of the end months of the season, but he was literally less valuable when the Warriors were playing with guys with less awareness of how to let Curry's presence make everything easier for you. Some of the shift was due to players getting better at this over the course of the year with mentoring from Curry, Draymond, Looney and Kerr's coaching staff, some of it was due to the worst offenders who had been getting big minutes previously, getting injured.

Beyond those two, the guy no one wants to acknowledge is Gobert. I think we all think Gobert's better in the RS than in the playoffs, but the MVP is a RS award.

Jpayne7787 · 05-21-2021, 04:50 AM

Chris Paul should be the MVP

KhalDrogo · 05-21-2021, 05:23 AM

Steph being a finalist is a joke.

jcardstore · 05-21-2021, 05:37 AM

Steph is the flavor of the day. Jokic was measurably better in every way this season

letsgocapitals · 05-21-2021, 05:42 AM

The Joker hands down.

indyguy · 05-21-2021, 06:44 AM

I've been saying Steph for a while now with what they did this season. But, I do think Jokic deserves it. I really hope he takes it, because I don't know if he will have another season quite like this one.

ballhawkdawk · 05-21-2021, 07:08 AM

1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Steph

All very strong candidates for different reasons, but Jokic was a workhorse once again and missed zero games. His peak output doesn’t match Embiid or Steph, but he was really really good all season long. The only knock against him is his defense, but his durability, offensive output, efficiency, clutch play, and managing to finish in the top half of the West and holding up after Murray went down are all major positives for Jokic.

I do think there’s a valid case for either Embiid and Steph, but only one guy can win the award, and I don’t think there’s much doubt that it’s Jokic this season.

DPOY is Simmons. He was tasked with guarding the other team’s best on a regular basis and can defend anywhere on the floor. He shut down just about everyone. Add in that he’s a momentum changing type playmaker on defense and it seals the deal. Draymond and Gobert both solid choices, but again, there can only be one.

Willikn · 05-21-2021, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Steph being a finalist is a joke.

Agree with this.

I believe the lowest seed to ever win the award was a six seed. That guy led the NBA in scoring while also being the first to average a triple double since Oscar (at the time, a big deal). He also played 81 of 82 games.

Not saying what is right or wrong. Merely noting that in the history of the award there is a bar and lowering it to a player who may miss the playoffs all together would be an enormous change. If the award just went to the NBA scoring leader, MJ would have 10. He doesn't, so what are we doing here?

ballhawkdawk · 05-21-2021, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Willikn

Agree with this.

I believe the lowest seed to ever win the award was a six seed. That guy led the NBA in scoring while also being the first to average a triple double since Oscar (at the time, a big deal). He also played 81 of 82 games.

Not saying what is right or wrong. Merely noting that in the history of the award there is a bar and lowering it to a player who may miss the playoffs all together would be an enormous change. If the award just went to the NBA scoring leader, MJ would have 10. He doesn't, so what are we doing here?

Who said Steph was included just because he was the scoring leader?

2019-20 Warriors went 15-50, dead last by four games.
2020-21 Warriors went 39-33.

The only noteworthy difference is Steph.

I think a strong case can be made for Giannis as a finalist over Steph, but to act like Steph and Bradley Beal would be interchangeable based on who won the scoring title is asinine. His value is far greater than just scoring buckets.

KhalDrogo · 05-21-2021, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Who said Steph was included just because he was the scoring leader?

2019-20 Warriors went 15-50, dead last by four games.
2020-21 Warriors went 39-33.

The only noteworthy difference is Steph.

I think a strong case can be made for Giannis as a finalist over Steph, but to act like Steph and Bradley Beal would be interchangeable based on who won the scoring title is asinine. His value is far greater than just scoring buckets.

What would the Mavs record be without Luka? What would the Blazers record be without Dame?

mvp · 05-21-2021, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Steph being a finalist is a joke.

I also agree with this.

Derekbauer · 05-21-2021, 08:17 AM

NBA just needed a reason for people to be interested.

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis would have been too boring.

One could argue Steph over Luka/Chris Paul sure. Personally I had Steph at 6 but I wasn't able to watch a lot the last week so I know I missed a great stretch.

spurs50fan · 05-21-2021, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

NBA just needed a reason for people to be interested.

Jokic, Embiid, Giannis would have been too boring.

One could argue Steph over Dame/Luka/Chris Paul sure. Personally I had Steph at 6 but I wasn't able to watch a lot the last week so I know I missed a great stretch.

This

Steph's late bump was prompted by extraordinary play but even more media hype. Much like Giannis's absence can be attributed to media fatigue. The award is nice but, to this date, has no true definition.

pac213up · 05-21-2021, 08:33 AM

MVP - Jokic. You could make a strong case for Steph though as he lead the league in RPM. His defensive contribution was not enough and he missed some game though.

DPOY - Gobert.
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spurs50fan · 05-21-2021, 08:36 AM

And apparently the Jazz have 2 6th men??

So give me Rose

SupermanBrandon · 05-21-2021, 08:38 AM

I hope Curry wins! GOAT

jgrann13 · 05-21-2021, 08:51 AM

To say Curry doesnt belong in this conversation is just hatred.

Jokic deserves it. No doubt. Embiid had a great year too.

But Steph is lugging Jordan Poole Kent Bazemore and Andrew Wiggins on an every night basis and has made a 39-33 team as must see TV each night.

I hope Steph gets it.

yiguiri2002 · 05-21-2021, 08:59 AM

The fact that the 2nd best player this season isn't even a finalist makes it a joke

05-20-2021, 10:38 PM	#1
Earvin32 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin Posts: 2,185	Finalists for MVP announced, who ya got? The NBA announced that the Joker, Steph and Embiid are the top 3 finalists. Who wins it and why? Discuss. The defensive MVP top 3 are Golbert, D. Green, and Simmons __________________ I collect Earvin "Magic" Johnson cards, the more goatee and short shorts, the better. The 80's PG not the 1996 PF. Check out my sports card albums at https://sportscardalbum.com/u/borisbadinov Last edited by Earvin32; 05-20-2021 at 10:41 PM.

05-20-2021, 10:47 PM	#2
tjforce Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 23,837	MVP: Jokic. He played the most games and IMO contributed to more wins than anyone else. This isn't the Best Player On The Planet award, this it Most Valuable. He provided to most value to his team in getting Denver to the 3 seed. DPOY: Ben Simmons. Was the defensive standout on the second best defense in the league. Took on many of the toughest defensive assignments night in and night out across 4 positions. These are just my opinions... a lot of good candidates on those lists. __________________ "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it’s the best thing going. Wooooo!"

05-20-2021, 10:52 PM	#3
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05-21-2021, 05:23 AM	#10
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,550	Steph being a finalist is a joke. __________________ I love PSA!

05-20-2021, 10:57 PM	#4
The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,583 islubi	Joker or the award is a joke!

05-20-2021, 11:04 PM	#5
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 17,227 eastbayak	Stephen Curry has my vote but I'm biased as a Dubs fan. However, they finished with a respectable 39-33 record (and were 38-26 when Curry played). Wiggins was the second option, and while not bad, wasn't as reliable as Jamal Murray OR Michael Porter. Joker had one hell of a season but he had two legit second/third options (equally could've been the number one or two options on many other teams, Warriors included). The Nuggets had years of playing with the same players so there's years of chemistry already built-in whereas the Warriors haven't had the same privilege (many new faces this year, Curry was basically out all of last year, etc). Once again, I'm biased but I think Curry was more valuable to his team than Joker was to his. And in no way am I saying Joker wasn't valuable, I'm just thinking the Warriors needed Curry more than the Nuggets needed Joker (to succeed).

05-20-2021, 11:12 PM	#6
oldschooled Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 104 oldschooled06	As much as I love Steph and probably the best player on the planet right now. This is Joker's MVP to lose. MVP: Jokic DPOY: Ben Simmons

05-20-2021, 11:58 PM	#7
Lankybox Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 278	If we really stick to being the Most "Valuable", Curry deserves this award. Imagine removing him from this warriors team, they'll be bottom 4 for sure.

05-21-2021, 12:21 AM	#8
Tallboy Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 918	Jokic. Brilliant adaptive player. Rock solid all year long. Curry was the MVP of the end months of the season, but he was literally less valuable when the Warriors were playing with guys with less awareness of how to let Curry's presence make everything easier for you. Some of the shift was due to players getting better at this over the course of the year with mentoring from Curry, Draymond, Looney and Kerr's coaching staff, some of it was due to the worst offenders who had been getting big minutes previously, getting injured. Beyond those two, the guy no one wants to acknowledge is Gobert. I think we all think Gobert's better in the RS than in the playoffs, but the MVP is a RS award.

05-21-2021, 05:37 AM	#11
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 22,277 Jcardstore	Steph is the flavor of the day. Jokic was measurably better in every way this season __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

05-21-2021, 05:42 AM	#12
letsgocapitals Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 3,496 letsgocapitals	The Joker hands down. __________________ Blowout's Resident Research Psychologist

05-21-2021, 06:44 AM	#13
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	I've been saying Steph for a while now with what they did this season. But, I do think Jokic deserves it. I really hope he takes it, because I don't know if he will have another season quite like this one.

05-21-2021, 07:08 AM	#14
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	1. Jokic 2. Embiid 3. Steph All very strong candidates for different reasons, but Jokic was a workhorse once again and missed zero games. His peak output doesn’t match Embiid or Steph, but he was really really good all season long. The only knock against him is his defense, but his durability, offensive output, efficiency, clutch play, and managing to finish in the top half of the West and holding up after Murray went down are all major positives for Jokic. I do think there’s a valid case for either Embiid and Steph, but only one guy can win the award, and I don’t think there’s much doubt that it’s Jokic this season. DPOY is Simmons. He was tasked with guarding the other team’s best on a regular basis and can defend anywhere on the floor. He shut down just about everyone. Add in that he’s a momentum changing type playmaker on defense and it seals the deal. Draymond and Gobert both solid choices, but again, there can only be one.

05-21-2021, 08:17 AM	#19
Derekbauer Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Harrisburg, PA Posts: 3,981 dandcsportscards12 dandcsportscards12	NBA just needed a reason for people to be interested. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis would have been too boring. One could argue Steph over Luka/Chris Paul sure. Personally I had Steph at 6 but I wasn't able to watch a lot the last week so I know I missed a great stretch. Last edited by Derekbauer; 05-21-2021 at 08:20 AM.

05-21-2021, 08:33 AM	#21
pac213up Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,268	MVP - Jokic. You could make a strong case for Steph though as he lead the league in RPM. His defensive contribution was not enough and he missed some game though. DPOY - Gobert. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/bes...ve-rating-2021 __________________ "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." - Red Auerbach

05-21-2021, 08:36 AM	#22
spurs50fan Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,094	And apparently the Jazz have 2 6th men?? So give me Rose

05-21-2021, 08:38 AM	#23
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	I hope Curry wins! GOAT

05-21-2021, 08:51 AM	#24
jgrann13 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 791	To say Curry doesnt belong in this conversation is just hatred. Jokic deserves it. No doubt. Embiid had a great year too. But Steph is lugging Jordan Poole Kent Bazemore and Andrew Wiggins on an every night basis and has made a 39-33 team as must see TV each night. I hope Steph gets it.

05-21-2021, 08:59 AM	#25
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