2020-21 Panini Black

Gurds · 10-07-2021, 10:51 AM

Coming in three days. Dutch Auction.

Starting at $1000 and bottom is $250.

Quote:

Panini Black returns as a Panini Direct Exclusive for 2020-21!

Each box contains 2 Base cards limited to 149 or less, 2 Base Parallels limited to 65 or less, and 1 Rookie Autograph or Rookie Autograph Memorabilia card limited to 49 or less.

Look for the all new Rookie Jumbo Memorabilia Autographs and Rookie Midnight Signatures!

All autographs are 100% Live including rookies LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards, Tyrese Haliburton and more!

https://www.paniniamerica.net/2020-2...exclusive.html

abidtsteele · 10-07-2021, 11:10 AM

Not much demand for singles of this last year. Might lose money even at the bottom.

Probably still a fun rip if it gets there

wxguy44 · 10-07-2021, 11:15 AM

DA and BO selling 19-20 at $600

Tonic3 · 10-07-2021, 11:28 AM

I bought this last year direct at $233/box. Hope it gets that low again......oh wait

KhalDrogo · 10-07-2021, 11:35 AM

Another trash sticker dump from this trash company.

BackToWax · 10-07-2021, 11:45 AM

Not sure this is a buy even at the floor.

BlockShotStop · 10-07-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by abidtsteele

Not much demand for singles of this last year. Might lose money even at the bottom.

Probably still a fun rip if it gets there

The base RPA for Ja Morant (napkin patches) just sold for $473. That’s in the 99th percentile of hits. When this thing sells out at $500…

Tonic3 · 10-07-2021, 01:30 PM

I looked at the thread from last years Panini Black because I calculated odds and determined the number of boxes made (which was approximately 7,220 boxes total).

Last years came out during the craze and still got down to $233/box before selling out, and that was with Zion, Ja, etc...

The checklist hasn't been released yet but based on the brief description I'd bet money the number of boxes being produced has gone up. Last year only had RPA's as the auto hit, but this year they've added rookie auto's, rookie midnight signatures, etc... in an attempt (I'm assuming) to increase the print run. Maybe I'm wrong and we won't know until a checklist is released, but I'm guessing this year will be north of 7,220 boxes.

Without distributors, the big 3, etc.... having pre-sale prices to protect I think this should reach the floor. If last years went for less than this years floor price, then there's no reason this shouldn't get as low as possible before selling out.

ljandkg · 10-07-2021, 02:11 PM

Anyone know if they're making One and One again this year?

bigjbasketball · 10-07-2021, 03:04 PM

I don’t think I’d even buy this at the floor, but of course this will “sell out” much higher. If 2021 Chronicles Draft Picks FOTL sold out at $500+ then there’s no way this is getting anywhere near the floor.

90skid · 10-07-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ljandkg

Anyone know if they're making One and One again this year?

Yes only because we saw an NBA player (Ray Allen I think) on twitter post a picture of him signing timeless moments cards

Tonic3 · 10-11-2021, 09:23 AM

Just getting this to the first page before some newbie creates another thread because they somehow couldn't find this one. Did that sound grumpy and cynical?

Asian62150 · 10-11-2021, 09:26 AM

A product that sounds cool and could have been a great line for them.

But then stickers.

bustsomewax · 10-11-2021, 09:34 AM

Maybe at the floor I could see, but even then $250 is alot to spend for cards with chipped corners.

Nomad · 10-11-2021, 09:38 AM

Well chipped corners and a plasty auto. Slab it.

jdhaugh11 · 10-11-2021, 11:08 AM

A product with just 1 hit starting at $1,000!
Even if this were NT I would laugh at that attempt!
How about this Panini, put it at $250 & then give me a 15% off coupon and then I still might pass! LOL

casebreaksllc · 10-11-2021, 11:30 AM

do we think this reaches last years price ~250?

phil · 10-11-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by casebreaksllc

do we think this reaches last years price ~250?

If the full print run is available it will. If 10-20% it won't.

mossoholic · 10-11-2021, 11:35 AM

Last year sold out below this years floor. It sold out at $233.

90skid · 10-11-2021, 11:36 AM

I just noticed in the fine print details it says that all autos are 100% live including lamelo

JAMSC · 10-11-2021, 11:46 AM

Should be about 7,100 boxes based on checklist

Excon · 10-11-2021, 11:52 AM

312.5 sell out

mossoholic · 10-11-2021, 11:53 AM

High volume errors were there today but barely. Until the last drop the previous 2 maybe 1 out of 5 times you got 1 high volume error.

phil · 10-11-2021, 11:54 AM

bought 1 case at $312.50 will see how it goes

bigjbasketball · 10-11-2021, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Excon

312.5 sell out

Had one in my cart at that price but ultimately I still felt it was too high so I didn’t pull the trigger.

10-07-2021, 11:10 AM	#2
abidtsteele Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Houston Posts: 1,421 abidtsteele	Not much demand for singles of this last year. Might lose money even at the bottom. Probably still a fun rip if it gets there __________________ I mainly collect Duncan and Lebron Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abtistcards/

10-07-2021, 11:28 AM	#4
Tonic3 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southwest MI Posts: 2,472	I bought this last year direct at $233/box. Hope it gets that low again......oh wait __________________ Always looking for: 2001 SP Authentic Golf - Preview parallels - Gold (#/250) and Red (#/50) of any player...especially Tiger Woods. Last edited by Tonic3; 10-07-2021 at 11:34 AM.

10-07-2021, 11:35 AM	#5
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,265	Another trash sticker dump from this trash company. __________________ I love PSA!

10-07-2021, 01:30 PM	#8
Tonic3 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southwest MI Posts: 2,472	I looked at the thread from last years Panini Black because I calculated odds and determined the number of boxes made (which was approximately 7,220 boxes total). Last years came out during the craze and still got down to $233/box before selling out, and that was with Zion, Ja, etc... The checklist hasn't been released yet but based on the brief description I'd bet money the number of boxes being produced has gone up. Last year only had RPA's as the auto hit, but this year they've added rookie auto's, rookie midnight signatures, etc... in an attempt (I'm assuming) to increase the print run. Maybe I'm wrong and we won't know until a checklist is released, but I'm guessing this year will be north of 7,220 boxes. Without distributors, the big 3, etc.... having pre-sale prices to protect I think this should reach the floor. If last years went for less than this years floor price, then there's no reason this shouldn't get as low as possible before selling out. __________________ Always looking for: 2001 SP Authentic Golf - Preview parallels - Gold (#/250) and Red (#/50) of any player...especially Tiger Woods.

10-07-2021, 02:11 PM	#9
ljandkg Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,428	Anyone know if they're making One and One again this year? __________________ Garnett jersey #'d count - 424 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152215151@N02/albums/72157685722278255 'KG is a mercenary and Eric Williams was a better Celtic.' - someone on Blowout

10-07-2021, 11:15 AM	#3
wxguy44 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NC Posts: 862 rain_doctor	DA and BO selling 19-20 at $600

10-07-2021, 11:45 AM	#6
BackToWax Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 810 BackToWax	Not sure this is a buy even at the floor.

10-07-2021, 03:04 PM	#10
bigjbasketball Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 5,293 BigJBasketball BigJBasketball	I don’t think I’d even buy this at the floor, but of course this will “sell out” much higher. If 2021 Chronicles Draft Picks FOTL sold out at $500+ then there’s no way this is getting anywhere near the floor. __________________ Instagram: @BigJBasketball PC: Zo - Manu - Deni - Kobe - John Wallace

10-11-2021, 09:23 AM	#12
Tonic3 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southwest MI Posts: 2,472	Just getting this to the first page before some newbie creates another thread because they somehow couldn't find this one. Did that sound grumpy and cynical? __________________ Always looking for: 2001 SP Authentic Golf - Preview parallels - Gold (#/250) and Red (#/50) of any player...especially Tiger Woods.

10-11-2021, 09:26 AM	#13
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,502 Asian62150	A product that sounds cool and could have been a great line for them. But then stickers. __________________ IG: Asian62150

10-11-2021, 09:34 AM	#14
bustsomewax Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 6,910 rockymountaincollectibles_1 goapps2014	Maybe at the floor I could see, but even then $250 is alot to spend for cards with chipped corners.

10-11-2021, 09:38 AM	#15
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	Well chipped corners and a plasty auto. Slab it.

10-11-2021, 11:08 AM	#16
jdhaugh11 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,973 jdhaugh11 Jdhaugh11	A product with just 1 hit starting at $1,000! Even if this were NT I would laugh at that attempt! How about this Panini, put it at $250 & then give me a 15% off coupon and then I still might pass! LOL

10-11-2021, 11:30 AM	#17
casebreaksllc Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 244	do we think this reaches last years price ~250?

10-11-2021, 11:35 AM	#19
mossoholic Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,352	Last year sold out below this years floor. It sold out at $233.

10-11-2021, 11:36 AM	#20
90skid Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 1,845	I just noticed in the fine print details it says that all autos are 100% live including lamelo

10-11-2021, 11:46 AM	#21
JAMSC Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Iowa Posts: 602 jam.sportscards	Should be about 7,100 boxes based on checklist

10-11-2021, 11:52 AM	#22
Excon Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 200 jazzbad44	312.5 sell out __________________ Ultimate Signatures PC: http://s1189.photobucket.com/albums/z437/Excon4/?start=all For Trade / Sale: http://s1189.photobucket.com/albums/z437/Excon4/For%20TRADE%20or%20SALE/

10-11-2021, 11:53 AM	#23
mossoholic Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,352	High volume errors were there today but barely. Until the last drop the previous 2 maybe 1 out of 5 times you got 1 high volume error.

10-11-2021, 11:54 AM	#24
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,687	bought 1 case at $312.50 will see how it goes