Ebay top seller jakha_3796 selling FAKE 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookies

[edogg]

This is nuts. This guy jakha_3796 is a top seller on eBay, selling graded Jordan rookies for top dollar with faked, retouched images.

When I asked him why he has two sets of photos, both with the exact same PSA slab number but obviously different card condition, he responded to me: "There the same card psa scans enhance the photos obviously."

Do not buy anything from this scumbag!

Updated:

See attached photos from two of his listings.

Two of the images with the black background show THE SAME EXACT CARD but with a different slab number. And the photos where he is holding the cards are two totally different cards from the ones in the black photos,, but again with the same slab number.

This guy is a piece of work. Avoid at all costs.

Update 2:

I changed the subject line because it looks like he did not retouch the images but rather opened the PSA slabs and inserted poorer quality cards. So he's taking what might be a PSA1 or "Authentic" or maybe a total fake (!!!) and inserting it into a PSA3 slab!

Even worse than faking images.

[Promethius88]

If you look up the cert number 63537206 on PSA it shows a nicer looking card.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/63537206

I don't know that they are retouched images but I would be concerned that the cards have been switched.

[edogg]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

If you look up the cert number 63537206 on PSA it shows a nicer looking card.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/63537206

I don't know that they are retouched images but I would be concerned that the cards have been switched.

Wow, yup. Same thing with this one

https://www.psacard.com/cert/63076371

It's the same card as 63537206.

But in this guy's listings BOTH of those PSA numbers have poorer cards.

So it actually looks like he's not faking the images but rather opening the slabs and inserting poorer quality cards.

Totally messed up.

[swerve]

Are the poorer condition cards even in authentic PSA slabs? I am trying to recall when PSA had those rounded corners on the inside of the slab?

[edogg]

Originally Posted by swerve

Are the poorer condition cards even in authentic PSA slabs? I am trying to recall when PSA had those rounded corners on the inside of the slab?

That's a great point. I have cards I got graded from PSA in 2019 and they have the square corners inside.

And guess what the dude has as the listing title for both of these Jordans:

1986 Fleer Michael Jordan Rookie #57! PSA 3! FRESH FROM PSA

[soey10]

Something definitely fishy going on here.

No way those are the same cards, but not sure why he would include both photos in the auction on eBay.

I don't even see the huge crease on the card in the second photo, this is weird for sure.

[soey10]

The more I look at this, the more I find wrong, the PSA 7 has two distinctly different centered cards, and the PSA 3 has damage that is not consistent between the two photos.

In all 5 auctions the photos are different than the scans provided by PSA.

To be honest I have never seen that kind of damage, the whitening edges, on a Jordan Rookie. To me it is almost a dead giveaway that the card is a fake reprint with damage because the whitening is too bright.

[dantheman514]

This is crazy! I like how the listing states, "you will get the card pictured." It seems one would have to ask which card pictured does the winner of the auction receive since each listing has two completely different cards shown.

[soey10]

I messaged the seller with the following:

"Why do the photos not match? The damage in the photo where you are holding the card is not present in the PSA scanned photo, are these the same card. I also noticed in the auction for the PSA 7 Jordan Rookie the centering is not the same on the scanned photo and the card you are holding in your hand. Are these real or are they reprints? Also did you send these into PSA yourself for grading or did you purchase them already graded? thanks"

and received the following back:

"Psa is a joke of a company and enhances there photo scans these are fresh from psa"

[edogg]

Right, he's all excited about cards graded by PSA until he's called out for his fraudulent listings, then it's all PSA's fault. Such scum.

The probably craziest thing in all of this is that there is no real way to flag the seller to ebay. You have to buy something and then report it. You can report listings but unbelievably there is no category for reporting a fraudulent or counterfeit product!

[edogg]

One of the PSA3s was pulled

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-...-127632-2357-0

The other is still up, with over 50 bids (probably the vast majority of those own bids or bot bids).

I sent him a note that he should pull that listing too.

[edogg]

Oops. Second PSA3 down.

Thanks for the help guys. We saved some poor souls getting shafted.

[TomRacer]

The first two photos you posted cert #63537206 are not the same card nor are they the same slab.

It appears the PSA graded card in 20211117_113727.jpg was busted out of its slab and a different card was put into a fake slab with that original cert #63537206 and became what is 20211117_113625.jpg. I expect the person responsible sends the good card in for a new genuine cert# and then the process repeats.

Great work finding this. I have expected this for years and with the prices people are paying these days I feel very confident that fake slabs are a real concern. I am actually surprised the slabs are so obviously different.

Nat wants to know about this ASAP.

He should pay a finders fee similar to what is done with software bugs.

[edogg]

Originally Posted by TomRacer

The first two photos you posted cert #63537206 are not the same card nor are they the same slab.

It appears the PSA graded card in 20211117_113727.jpg was busted out of its slab and a different card was put into a fake slab with that original cert #63537206 and became what is 20211117_113625.jpg. I expect the person responsible sends the good card in for a new genuine cert# and then the process repeats.

Great work finding this. I have expected this for years and with the prices people are paying these days I feel very confident that fake slabs are a real concern. I am actually surprised the slabs are so obviously different.

Nat wants to know about this ASAP.

He should pay a finders fee similar to what is done with software bugs.

Who's Nat and how do I contact him. I'd love to bust this fraud wide the F open.

[edogg]

And btw, if you look at cert #63537206 and cert #63076371 on PSA website you'll see they are the same damn card. So this fraud was not just to replace graded cards with fakes. They actually submitted the SAME CARD TWICE TO PSA. Obviously the intent was to get two PSA cert numbers for low graded Jordan rookies and then use those certs to sell two fake cards.

So for the price of submitting one legit raw Jordan to PSA two times they could turn that into two PSA3 ebay sales. If they had the raw Jordan in a collection already then the only cost to them would be submitting to PSA and selling on ebay. That's thousands of dollars in profit. I don't know the legal thresholds but that is quite possibly felony fraud.

[TomRacer]

Nat Turner recently bought PSA. He is/was a member here. I have no idea how to reach him.

Yes, the profits are great and if they are careful and not too greedy they have been difficult to find. Detection of these has to be one of the goals of the AI technology that PSA has in development.

[edogg]

I just wrote to info at collectorsuniverse from the website and ccd nat at collectorsuniverse explaining the whole thing.

Since my last post the offender has pulled more listings.

All told, since my initial discovery he has since pulled down FIVE Jordan rookie PSA listings: two PSA3s, two PSA5s and one PSA7.

[TomRacer]

The guy has over 1,500 sales of PSA graded cards in his recent history, including many recent rookies in PSA10 slabs. I have looked through a number of his higher priced sales and don't see another sale with a slab that looked similar to the apparent fake.

[soey10]

earlier this morning I reported one of the PSA 3's which was the first to be pulled and then went the others.

Good work guys, these scumbags need to be called out and pay for it by losing selling abilities on ebay and submitting privileges from PSA.

[edogg]

Aaaaaand they're back up this morning.

PSA3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-87-Fle...-127632-2357-0

PSA3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-87-Fle...-127632-2357-0

PSA5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-...-127632-2357-0

PSA5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-...-127632-2357-0

PSA7

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-...-127632-2357-0

[edogg]

I emailed Nat and he responded that he's going to look into it. I hope they bring this #@#@#@#@er down for good.

I only looked at the PSA3s yesterday but to confirm that they are all fakes, here is the PSA cert for the PSA7 he is selling:

https://www.psacard.com/cert/63537205

Now go check the PSA7 he's selling. SAME CERT, obviously different card.

[star5CR34M]

This is just crazy! Makes you wonder if the FBI needs to get involved, in all seriousness this is fraud across state lines.

[edogg]

Originally Posted by star5CR34M

This is just crazy! Makes you wonder if the FBI needs to get involved, in all seriousness this is fraud across state lines.

Absolutely. Wire fraud, counterfeiting, mail fraud. Criminal activity for sure. I'm not sure if it rises to the level of felony fraud based on the total dollar amounts with these listings, but it's got to be pretty close. The other question becomes how extensive is this fraud? Is it just these 5 listings? Is it just these MJ cards or other cards too? Is it just this one-off guy or a whole ring involved? It's pretty serious even if it's just these 5 cards, but obviously could easily be a much bigger operation.

Reminder to myself but everyone out there, if you're buying a graded card, ALWAYS check the cert number and make sure the card you're buying matches the card that was graded!

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by edogg

Absolutely. Wire fraud, counterfeiting, mail fraud. Criminal activity for sure. I'm not sure if it rises to the level of felony fraud based on the total dollar amounts with these listings, but it's got to be pretty close. The other question becomes how extensive is this fraud? Is it just these 5 listings? Is it just these MJ cards or other cards too? Is it just this one-off guy or a whole ring involved? It's pretty serious even if it's just these 5 cards, but obviously could easily be a much bigger operation.

Reminder to myself but everyone out there, if you're buying a graded card, ALWAYS check the cert number and make sure the card you're buying matches the card that was graded!

The new scans PSA provides should definitely assist with this. Unfortunately, not all subs have the scans prior to this year.


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[soey10]

looks like the auctions have been pulled again