Question: Why didn't Panini include RCs of Wander Franco this year?

steg22 · 11-23-2021, 08:32 PM

I understand Topps makes decisions from time to time to hold back RCs until the following year in order to increase sales and popularity.

But, unless I'm wrong, Panini doesn't have to use the same logic. It seems to me that Panini could've made a fortune if they would've included Wander Franco in their 2021 product, especially since Franco was ACTUALLY a rookie this year.

Am I wrong? Thoughts?

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-23-2021, 08:33 PM

It’s controlled by the MLBPA.

steg22 · 11-23-2021, 08:36 PM

Wow! I didn't know that. That seems strange. Do player associations of the other major sports leagues do the same thing?

ThoseBackPages · 11-23-2021, 08:36 PM

they will make more money next year

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-23-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by steg22

Wow! I didn't know that. That seems strange. Do player associations of the other major sports leagues do the same thing?

Not sure. It goes back to when the prospect/rookie card situation was so out of whack about 20 years ago that baseball itself had to step in. I’m not totally sure if Panini is bound by those rules, but Topps is, and it makes financial sense for Panini to follow along.

D-Lite · 11-23-2021, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Not sure. It goes back to when the prospect/rookie card situation was so out of whack about 20 years ago that baseball itself had to step in. I’m not totally sure if Panini is bound by those rules, but Topps is, and it makes financial sense for Panini to follow along.

Does it? I'm pretty sure Panini would make more money releasing the Wander RC this season before Topps does. It is after all his actual RC season.

SupermanBrandon · 11-23-2021, 10:23 PM

2022 is a money tree that will never run out of money!

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-23-2021, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Lite

Does it? I'm pretty sure Panini would make more money releasing the Wander RC this season before Topps does. It is after all his actual RC season.

Possibly. My thinking would be to wait until people are in a mad feeding frenzy trying to get Topps ‘22, and if/when they can’t find it, have alternative products ready for consumers. Releasing it now would just have people on here saying, “Eh, I’m waiting for his real rookie card.” Just my thoughts though. There’s definitely something to be said for being first-to-market though.

D-Lite · 11-23-2021, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Possibly. My thinking would be to wait until people are in a mad feeding frenzy trying to get Topps ‘22, and if/when they can’t find it, have alternative products ready for consumers. Releasing it now would just have people on here saying, “Eh, I’m waiting for his real rookie card.” Just my thoughts though. There’s definitely something to be said for being first-to-market though.

That’s rational as well.

tyrith · 11-24-2021, 09:05 AM

I would imagine Topps's deal with the PA has language that stops them from having other deals where those secondary manufacturers can release rookie cards in advance of Topps's own - be it either Topps's decision or the PA's on the timing. Seems only logical as a means to protect themselves as the senior partner in the card space (until Fanatics takes over, obviously.)

Skipscards · 11-24-2021, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Not sure. It goes back to when the prospect/rookie card situation was so out of whack about 20 years ago that baseball itself had to step in. I’m not totally sure if Panini is bound by those rules, but Topps is, and it makes financial sense for Panini to follow along.

Panini is also bound by the same rules.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-24-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Panini is also bound by the same rules.

Makes sense.

base set · 11-24-2021, 11:35 AM

Tangential question - does the Topps “Rookie Cup” even have rules any more? I saw it was on a Topps Now - “Call Up” card. Which was before Wander had even played a game. The Cup used to be given by Topps to the best Rookie at each position - after they had demonstrated their best-ness on the field of play - i.e. on the next year’s cards. Wander has a Rookie Cup card before his RC even.

I bought one blaster of Update the other day. I pulled so many old designs from it I forgot which ones came from the Archives blaster purchased simultaneously. Topps increasingly gives me a vibe that they are just running on fumes now.

SupermanBrandon · 11-24-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

Tangential question - does the Topps “Rookie Cup” even have rules any more? I saw it was on a Topps Now - “Call Up” card. Which was before Wander had even played a game. The Cup used to be given by Topps to the best Rookie at each position - after they had demonstrated their best-ness on the field of play - i.e. on the next year’s cards. Wander has a Rookie Cup card before his RC even.

I bought one blaster of Update the other day. I pulled so many old designs from it I forgot which ones came from the Archives blaster purchased simultaneously. Topps increasingly gives me a vibe that they are just running on fumes now.

Can you post a pic of the rookie cup Wander card that came out before he played a game? He made the Topps Rookie Cup team. His '22 S1 will be a Rookie Logo card plus Rookie Cup card. The only rookie cup now card I know of, is the one that's label "All-Star Rookie Team"

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-24-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

Tangential question - does the Topps “Rookie Cup” even have rules any more? I saw it was on a Topps Now - “Call Up” card. Which was before Wander had even played a game. The Cup used to be given by Topps to the best Rookie at each position - after they had demonstrated their best-ness on the field of play - i.e. on the next year’s cards. Wander has a Rookie Cup card before his RC even.

I bought one blaster of Update the other day. I pulled so many old designs from it I forgot which ones came from the Archives blaster purchased simultaneously. Topps increasingly gives me a vibe that they are just running on fumes now.

The Rookie Cup didn’t appear on any of his Topps Now cards until after the Rookie Cup Team had been announced. So it was long after his call-up, but before his Flagship RC.

As far as specific rules for it, I’m not sure if there’s anything written in stone. It’s just a matter of what products are released after the team is announced.

base set · 11-24-2021, 12:07 PM

The Topps Rookie Cup is purely a simple Topps creation and I’m sure there are no rules or contract language about it. Just, tradition. Which Topps basically threw out the window on this, with their basic desire to somehow attach the word “Rookie” to every single baseball card they can.

jhssketchcards · 11-24-2021, 12:53 PM

Good news though. Estevan Florial RCs are included.
Not sure how he qualified but whatever

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MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-24-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Good news though. Estevan Florial RCs are included.
Not sure how he qualified but whatever

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I picked up a Estevan TC auto for $7! I’m a fan of the guy. His debut was in the 2020 season, so I’m assuming that’s why he made the cut.

epatmythes · 11-24-2021, 01:59 PM

They were too busy making a second year's worth of Randy Arozarena rookie cards... same team... that's a lot to ask of the "experts" over at Panini...

Or, something along those lines!

11-23-2021, 08:32 PM	#1
steg22 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 118	Question: Why didn't Panini include RCs of Wander Franco this year? I understand Topps makes decisions from time to time to hold back RCs until the following year in order to increase sales and popularity. But, unless I'm wrong, Panini doesn't have to use the same logic. It seems to me that Panini could've made a fortune if they would've included Wander Franco in their 2021 product, especially since Franco was ACTUALLY a rookie this year. Am I wrong? Thoughts?

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11-24-2021, 09:05 AM	#10
tyrith Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 1,892 tyrith	I would imagine Topps's deal with the PA has language that stops them from having other deals where those secondary manufacturers can release rookie cards in advance of Topps's own - be it either Topps's decision or the PA's on the timing. Seems only logical as a means to protect themselves as the senior partner in the card space (until Fanatics takes over, obviously.)

11-24-2021, 11:35 AM	#13
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,432	Tangential question - does the Topps “Rookie Cup” even have rules any more? I saw it was on a Topps Now - “Call Up” card. Which was before Wander had even played a game. The Cup used to be given by Topps to the best Rookie at each position - after they had demonstrated their best-ness on the field of play - i.e. on the next year’s cards. Wander has a Rookie Cup card before his RC even. I bought one blaster of Update the other day. I pulled so many old designs from it I forgot which ones came from the Archives blaster purchased simultaneously. Topps increasingly gives me a vibe that they are just running on fumes now.

11-24-2021, 12:07 PM	#16
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,432	The Topps Rookie Cup is purely a simple Topps creation and I’m sure there are no rules or contract language about it. Just, tradition. Which Topps basically threw out the window on this, with their basic desire to somehow attach the word “Rookie” to every single baseball card they can.

11-24-2021, 12:53 PM	#17
jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,380 jhssketchcards2012	Good news though. Estevan Florial RCs are included. Not sure how he qualified but whatever Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-24-2021, 01:59 PM	#19
epatmythes Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Da U.P. Eh! Posts: 2,497 epatmythes	They were too busy making a second year's worth of Randy Arozarena rookie cards... same team... that's a lot to ask of the "experts" over at Panini... Or, something along those lines!