Golden Days Era and Early Baseball Committee Results

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Congrats to our 6 newest Hall of Famers!

Tony Oliva
Jim Kaat
Minnie Minoso
Gil Hodges
Bud Fowler
Buck O’Neil

The 2022 Golden Days Era Ballot:
Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Roger Maris, Minnie Miñoso, Danny Murtaugh, Tony Oliva, Billy Pierce and Maury Wills

Committee Members Voting:
HOFers: Rod Carew, Fergie Jenkins, Mike Schmidt, John Schuerholz, Bud Selig, Ozzie Smith and Joe Torre; MLB Execs: Al Avila, Bill DeWitt, Ken Kendrick, Kim Ng and Tony Reagins; and Media Members/Historians: Adrian Burgos Jr., Steve Hirdt, Jaime Jarrin and Jack O’Connell.
Note: Chairman of the Board, Jane Forbes Clark will be in the room as a non-voting Chairman of the Committee

The 2022 Early Baseball Era Ballot:
Bill Dahlen, John Donaldson, Bud Fowler, Vic Harris, Grant “Home Run” Johnson, Lefty O’Doul, Buck O’Neil, Dick “Cannonball” Redding, Allie Reynolds and George “Tubby” Scales

Committee Members Voting:
HOFers: Bert Blyleven, Fergie Jenkins, John Schuerholz, Ozzie Smith and Joe Torre; MLB Execs: Bill DeWitt, Ken Kendrick and Tony Reagins; and Media Members/Historians Gary Ashwill, Adrian Burgos Jr., Leslie Heaphy, Jim Henneman, Justice Hill, Steve Hirdt, Rick Hummel and John Thorn.
Note: Note: Chairman of the Board, Jane Forbes Clark and Interim Commissioner Emeritus For Life, Bud Selig will be in the room as a non-voting Co-Chairmen of the Committee

The outcome of these votes are almost always based on who is in the room. Looking at the Golden Days Era, I see people with ties to Kaat which may bode well for him. Allen’s recent passing may help him. Anyone not making the Golden Era this round will have to wait another 5 years.

Looking at the Early Baseball Era, Dahlen always gets support but never quite enough. I think the best Negro League candidates are Vic Harris and Homerun Johnson. Buck O’Neil, John Donaldson, and Bud Fowler all have strong contributor/pioneer arguments. Any of those three wouldn’t be a surprise with O’Neil being the most recognizable. Anyone not making the Early Baseball Era this round will have to wait another 10 years.

[mcgoo2]

It's a shame that Buck O'Neil still isn't in the hall.

[jrosales]

Originally Posted by mcgoo2

It's a shame that Buck O'Neil still isn't in the hall.

He has a distinguished award named for him; that's quite sufficient for someone of his stature.

Stats-wise, he isn't really close.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by jrosales

He has a distinguished award named for him; that's quite sufficient for someone of his stature.

Stats-wise, he isn't really close.

Stats-wise he is not, but he should still be in the Hall as a contributor to the game. When you look at his entire career in baseball (player, manager, scout, ambassador), it is clearly HOF worthy. Just naming an award after him is not enough. If the Hall doesn’t have a clear path for someone to be elected as a contributor, they should. I do think he will be elected this year, and it will be looooog overdue. It’s a shame he won’t be able to enjoy his enshrinement. To only look at his playing stats and make a decision based on that is a shame and ignores everything he did for baseball.

[gmarutiak]

I hope this is Dick Allen’s year.

[panamamyers]

Pat Gillick didn't have great stats either. Never made it to the majors.

[jrosales]

Originally Posted by panamamyers

Pat Gillick didn't have great stats either. Never made it to the majors.

He's in as an executive. He was the architect for 3 World Series champion teams.

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Stats-wise he is not, but he should still be in the Hall as a contributor to the game. When you look at his entire career in baseball (player, manager, scout, ambassador), it is clearly HOF worthy. Just naming an award after him is not enough. If the Hall doesn’t have a clear path for someone to be elected as a contributor, they should. I do think he will be elected this year, and it will be looooog overdue. It’s a shame he won’t be able to enjoy his enshrinement. To only look at his playing stats and make a decision based on that is a shame and ignores everything he did for baseball.

Agreed. Hall of Fame not Hall of Stats.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Stats-wise he is not, but he should still be in the Hall as a contributor to the game. When you look at his entire career in baseball (player, manager, scout, ambassador), it is clearly HOF worthy. Just naming an award after him is not enough. If the Hall doesn’t have a clear path for someone to be elected as a contributor, they should. I do think he will be elected this year, and it will be looooog overdue. It’s a shame he won’t be able to enjoy his enshrinement. To only look at his playing stats and make a decision based on that is a shame and ignores everything he did for baseball.

It’s a fair point. I do think his contributions to the game merit induction but it’s obviously more subjective for contributors. But, there are other contributors who had arguably just as important contributions, but Buck outlived them and he’s better remembered. John Donaldson literally created the barnstroming business model that enabled the Negro Leagues to survive. Fowler was the first black person to play professionally.

[sportzluvr1]

Suck it Whitey!

[LCM1223]

Originally Posted by jrosales

He's in as an executive. He was the architect for 3 World Series champion teams.

Imma take a wild guess and say Panama was being facetious

[Timsterino]

I am all about Gil Hodges and Roger Maris finally getting some much deserved recognition.

[WizardofOz1982]

Originally Posted by jrosales

He has a distinguished award named for him; that's quite sufficient for someone of his stature.

Stats-wise, he isn't really close.

There are several men in the Hall of Fame on their contributions to baseball alone. O'Neil more than deserves that honor based on his 80 year long ambassadorship for the game and his milestones like first African American coach and his role growing scouting amongst African American players and integration. There are also plenty of men in the Hall who did a whole lot less for baseball than Buck and nobody wants to take them out.

John Donaldson would be my other pick among the Negro League candidates though I can see the arguments for Vic Harris and Homerun Johnson.

Bill Dahlen and Dick Allen are the only other two from either of the lists that I think should be considered.

I think Allen should have been years ago. The raw numbers are borderline but knowing his story and understanding the context of his career makes it obvious he should be in I think.

Bill Dahlen is a borderline guy that probably should have already been inducted if he was going to get in. It's so hard to form a frame of reference for Dead Ball era guys now and I feel like any arguments that could have been made already have been in his case. I wouldn't disagree with him getting in but it would certainly leave the question of why it didn't already happen hanging out there.

I know Kaat will get some support, especially with the guys who are currently on the committee, but 24 years to get 283 wins and 70 WAR. His peak was okay but he was never really dominant and he was never remotely close to the best pitcher in baseball conversation at any point in his career. He was a really good pitcher for about 5 years and the other 20 he was league average or a little better. That's not a Hall of Fame career to me.

Boyer will probably get quite a bit of support too (given the high number of people with St Louis ties on the committee) but I've never understood the push for him, even as a Cardinals fan. He was a really good player. He wasn't a great player.

[fabiani12333]

MLB Network is broadcasting the results tonight. I dont usually care about veteran committee votes, but this one is pretty interesting with all the notable players.

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Originally Posted by WizardofOz1982

There are several men in the Hall of Fame on their contributions to baseball alone. O'Neil more than deserves that honor based on his 80 year long ambassadorship for the game and his milestones like first African American coach and his role growing scouting amongst African American players and integration. There are also plenty of men in the Hall who did a whole lot less for baseball than Buck and nobody wants to take them out.

John Donaldson would be my other pick among the Negro League candidates though I can see the arguments for Vic Harris and Homerun Johnson.

Bill Dahlen and Dick Allen are the only other two from either of the lists that I think should be considered.

I think Allen should have been years ago. The raw numbers are borderline but knowing his story and understanding the context of his career makes it obvious he should be in I think.

Bill Dahlen is a borderline guy that probably should have already been inducted if he was going to get in. It's so hard to form a frame of reference for Dead Ball era guys now and I feel like any arguments that could have been made already have been in his case. I wouldn't disagree with him getting in but it would certainly leave the question of why it didn't already happen hanging out there.

I know Kaat will get some support, especially with the guys who are currently on the committee, but 24 years to get 283 wins and 70 WAR. His peak was okay but he was never really dominant and he was never remotely close to the best pitcher in baseball conversation at any point in his career. He was a really good pitcher for about 5 years and the other 20 he was league average or a little better. That's not a Hall of Fame career to me.

Boyer will probably get quite a bit of support too (given the high number of people with St Louis ties on the committee) but I've never understood the push for him, even as a Cardinals fan. He was a really good player. He wasn't a great player.

Kaat is also arguably (with Maddux and Greinke) the greatest fielding pitcher in history. And 283 wins is no joke no matter how you slice it. He’s not my first choice (personally I’d really like to see Oliva and Minoso) but he deserves to get in.

[bronxburner24]

Based on the who is listed as Golden Era committee members, I think Allen, Minoso and Oliva will get in today. I thought Kaat had a chance before I saw the list of voters, but I now believe he will come up a vote or two short.

As for the Early baseball era - O'Neil doesnt really belong on this list as he had very little "pre-1950" contribution of note. But I guess they really don't know what to do with him and that's probably why he isn't in yet - really they should have a contributor committee that has nothing to do with specific years. But since they don't hopefully he gets in here and it will no longer be an issue. I'd guess O'Neill, Harris and Dahlen make it.

[Skipscards]

Also I’m ready to see Hodges get in.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by bronxburner24

Based on the who is listed as Golden Era committee members, I think Allen, Minoso and Oliva will get in today. I thought Kaat had a chance before I saw the list of voters, but I now believe he will come up a vote or two short.

As for the Early baseball era - O'Neil doesnt really belong on this list as he had very little "pre-1950" contribution of note. But I guess they really don't know what to do with him and that's probably why he isn't in yet - really they should have a contributor committee that has nothing to do with specific years. But since they don't hopefully he gets in here and it will no longer be an issue. I'd guess O'Neill, Harris and Dahlen make it.

Kaat played with Carew and Schmidt.

[Hollywood42]

Live stream here for anyone interested - https://www.mlb.com/video/hof-era-co...ults-show-3962

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Suck it Whitey!

Im offended!

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Congrats to Gil Hodges!!

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Congrats to Jim Kaat!!

[Hollywood42]

Jim Kaat!!

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Congrats to Minnie Minoso!!

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Congrats to Tony Oliva!!