eBay Authenticity Guarantee Expands to Graded Cards with PSA

[rocnydeals]

Graded trading cards $2,000+ are now included in the verification program, which is running through PSA. Over time, this service will expand to any graded card sold for $250+: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301537037.html

[KhalDrogo]

$250. Insane. For PSA slabs alone, that was over 10k cards in sports and TCG in the past 7 days.

[CaptSpaulding]

This is really going to slow things down on eBay. Is this really where we have gotten to? Also what does PSA know about the integrity of other grading services' holders and flips?

[rocnydeals]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

This is really going to slow things down on eBay. Is this really where we have gotten to? Also what does PSA know about the integrity of other grading services' holders and flips?

It's also going to slow down shipping times for buyers as cards get sent for verification first...

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

This is really going to slow things down on eBay. Is this really where we have gotten to? Also what does PSA know about the integrity of other grading services' holders and flips?

They are apparently GMA experts. Or maybe CSG gets the GMA cards.

When the level comes down to $250, would be a nice scam for someone to sell a bunch of reprints in GMA slabs for $250. Only takes one sucker who doesn’t know what they’re buying. And since only the slab is getting authenticated, it should get authenticated.

[rocnydeals]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

They are apparently GMA experts. Or maybe CSG gets the GMA cards.

When the level comes down to $250, would be a nice scam for someone to sell a bunch of reprints in GMA slabs for $250. Only takes one sucker who doesn’t know what they’re buying. And since only the slab is getting authenticated, it should get authenticated.

Apparently, PSA will only "verify that the card matches the listing description and that the sealed plastic holder and label are authentic and have not been tampered with or counterfeited." It doesn't look like they will even authenticate the card within the slab.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rocnydeals

Apparently, PSA will only "verify that the card matches the listing description and that the sealed plastic holder and label are authentic and have not been tampered with or counterfeited." It doesn't look like they will even authenticate the card within the slab.

Correct. They are only authenticating the slab. Which is why you can pass slabbed reprints through this program, and leave the buyer with no recourse when they realize what they’ve actually purchased once in hand.

[discodanman45]

I am done completely with eBay unless I find a card for my PC that shows up and I absolutely need it. Will stick to COMC, card shows, and forums for purchases/trading.

[Gary]

i get the points made,but a cracked and resealed case shows the effects,i doubt any of us would have a problem spotting one in hand.so it's not that big of a problem that PSA looks at another grading company's slab really is it?my question is,who here has a better way of doing this?

or maybe the better question might be is it worth doing at all?

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I am done completely with eBay unless I find a card for my PC that shows up and I absolutely need it. Will stick to COMC, card shows, and forums for purchases/trading.

You probably bought a card off ebay since you posted this.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

You probably bought a card off ebay since you posted this.

Hah! Nope. The only cards I have bought off of eBay in since February have been 1951 Blue/Red Backs, cards for my Smits PC that I couldn't get anywhere else, a 1972 Topps Han Aaron for my PC, and a 1956 Topps Warren Spahn SGC 4.5 because the price was right. April 16th was my last order and I do a quick search each day for new cards for Smits, 1951 Topps, Aaron, and SGC vintage slabs. I even pretty much stopped looking for SGC slabs recently as well since people are paying more for them.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by rocnydeals

It's also going to slow down shipping times for buyers as cards get sent for verification first...

Yeah that was my point. One more party handling the card just makes for more opportunities for shipping snafus. Also wonder if the payment to the seller is delayed and held pending PSA's approval.

All of the authenticity guarantee feels more like window dressing by eBay. They have extremely buyer friendly protection policies in place that are pretty comprehensive.

Leave it to ebay to #@#@#@#@ up something that did not need fixing. In the long run this will hurt more than it will help.

[PSA2Pac]

Lol….

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

This is really going to slow things down on eBay. Is this really where we have gotten to? Also what does PSA know about the integrity of other grading services' holders and flips?

I imagine this will also slow things for PSA regarding their grading.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

I imagine this will also slow things for PSA regarding their grading.

I certainly hope Nat does not put graders on these slabs. They are not supposed to be looking at the cards. Simply the integrity of the flip and the holder.

[RL 1953]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

I imagine this will also slow things for PSA regarding their grading.

maybe they suckered some high school kids to be non paid interns

[Scottish Punk]

Feels like this is something you can automate with machines. Slabs are going to be uniform for the most part, run some kind of integrity scan on the slab. Scan the flip to verify with text on card. Automate the packaging or sticker or whatever that says passed.

Of course, for the amount of time it takes someone to look at card and label, it might not be worth it.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Feels like this is something you can automate with machines. Slabs are going to be uniform for the most part, run some kind of integrity scan on the slab. Scan the flip to verify with text on card. Automate the packaging or sticker or whatever that says passed.

Of course, for the amount of time it takes someone to look at card and label, it might not be worth it.

The bigger issue is package intake and output. Every slab is it’s own package. If PSA does 40k cards in a day, how many packages is that? This is another 1500+ on top of whatever that number is.

[imbluestreak23]

Terrible, absolutely terrible.

The second that the cost of this gets passed on to either the buyer or seller...

I already pay to get my cards graded. I'm not paying twice to get graded.

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Terrible, absolutely terrible.

The second that the cost of this gets passed on to either the buyer or seller...

I already pay to get my cards graded. I'm not paying twice to get graded.

The cost will ultimately be on the seller. The market isn't going to increase the price of a card to account for this. It will just make the cost of doing business higher on eBay. The only benefit I can see is that it will effectively cut back on BS Item not as Described returns.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Woodsy074

The cost will ultimately be on the seller. The market isn't going to increase the price of a card to account for this. It will just make the cost of doing business higher on eBay. The only benefit I can see is that it will effectively cut back on BS Item not as Described returns.

Agree, and still horrible.

Hopefully Ricky gets a discount

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

They are apparently GMA experts. Or maybe CSG gets the GMA cards.

When the level comes down to $250, would be a nice scam for someone to sell a bunch of reprints in GMA slabs for $250. Only takes one sucker who doesn’t know what they’re buying. And since only the slab is getting authenticated, it should get authenticated.

I know GMA's grading scale is a joke but from what I've seen/heard they're still professional graders, the odds you'd be able to get them to slab a reprint as a legitimate copy are incredibly low. Unless you're referring to when they slab a reprint and put "reprint" on the flip. I can't imagine people would ever fall for that since it's clear as day labeled as a reprint and even if they did, the odds they would've realized it within the 3-day return window are probably pretty low anyway.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

I know GMA's grading scale is a joke but from what I've seen/heard they're still professional graders, the odds you'd be able to get them to slab a reprint as a legitimate copy are incredibly low. Unless you're referring to when they slab a reprint and put "reprint" on the flip. I can't imagine people would ever fall for that since it's clear as day labeled as a reprint and even if they did, the odds they would've realized it within the 3-day return window are probably pretty low anyway.

GMA is currently involved in an Upper Deck lawsuit, dealing with that exact scenario. GMA graded counterfeit "reprint" cards sold as authentic.

There are plenty of dumb buyers that could get stuck with an eBay/PSA approved, graded counterfeit under this policy.

I've posted a few documents about the litigation in this thread. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=13

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Terrible, absolutely terrible.

The second that the cost of this gets passed on to either the buyer or seller...

I already pay to get my cards graded. I'm not paying twice to get graded.

Once the cost is passed onto the buyer or the seller might be the day I stop selling on eBay as convenient as it is. If the buyer pays for it, like they are now having to do with sales tax, they are going to ask for a corresponding discount which means it gets passed onto the seller. If the seller pays for it then some might eat it as a cost of doing business but I would simply increase what I am asking for the item which passes the cost back onto the buyer. Either way it will impact sales.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by auburn35

GMA is currently involved in an Upper Deck lawsuit, dealing with that exact scenario. GMA graded counterfeit "reprint" cards sold as authentic.

There are plenty of dumb buyers that could get stuck with an eBay/PSA approved, graded counterfeit under this policy.

I've posted a few documents about the litigation in this thread. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=13

I understand that, my point was that if the buyer was dumb enough to bid on and then pay for an item clearly labeled as a reprint, I highly doubt they would then suddenly realize their mistake within the 3-day return window. Plus, I'm pretty sure a buyer's remorse return like that would be against ebay TOS anyway.