What happens if Mike Trout wins a 4th MVP?

SleepyWill · 05-10-2022, 11:51 AM

Just going through MLB stats today, and Trout is almost leading all major categories in the AL (Ward 1st in a few).

He's already the best generational talent of this century (possibly Pujols?), if he wins a 4th MVP before he turns 31 . . . Where does this put him all time?

The Accountant · 05-10-2022, 11:52 AM

Just below Ryan Howard

Boo · 05-10-2022, 11:55 AM

Let's wait and see if he can make it 140 games this year.

jhssketchcards · 05-10-2022, 11:58 AM

I thinks it’s hard to place him all-time, even with the potential of a 4th MVP. If he wins it, and the Angels have a deep meaningful playoff run a few times the remainder of his time there, I think he will solidify his place as an ATG. Key stats will accumulate as he stays healthy as well. He’s the closest thing we have to an upper echelon type of player… Miggy is the last and I consider Pujols but he has limped into his key career numbers more than ran through them (still a legend). Trout will always be looked down on by many people who just don’t know baseball and it’s history - that’s just a fact. Time will tell where he actually finishes but if he gets above 100 WAR, 500+ HR and finishes string he will be a top 10 all-time player.

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Archangel1775 · 05-10-2022, 11:59 AM

You just jinxed him, 60 day DL to end the year

caflisch78 · 05-10-2022, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyWill

Just going through MLB stats today, and Trout is almost leading all major categories in the AL (Ward 1st in a few).

He's already the best generational talent of this century (possibly Pujols?), if he wins a 4th MVP before he turns 31 . . . Where does this put him all time?

He should already have 4 mvp's.....

gmarutiak · 05-10-2022, 12:01 PM

I think a World Series appearance would do more for his legacy and card prices than another MVP.

k13 · 05-10-2022, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by caflisch78

He should already have 4 mvp's.....

He should not have even 3....

caflisch78 · 05-10-2022, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

He should not have even 3....

He has 3... and he's finished runner up 4 times! Means he's losing coin flips.

gtfohwtbs

k13 · 05-10-2022, 12:03 PM

Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time.

29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP.

Complete joke.

cardsin47 · 05-10-2022, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

He should not have even 3....

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OhioLawyerF5 · 05-10-2022, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time.

29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP.

Complete joke.

Whew, glad that was a joke. I was about to question your sanity.

caflisch78 · 05-10-2022, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time.

29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP.

Complete joke.

Miggy's triple crown season, 7 WAR
Trout 10.5 WAR that season

33% more impact to his team wins based on analytics.

But Miggy's team had better players, went to the playoffs, Trout did not.

rngrdanny22 · 05-10-2022, 12:11 PM

Well, if this year is anything like last year, leading the league in nearly all hitting stats doesn't mean jack as long as Ohtani pitches and hits...

Raleigh504 · 05-10-2022, 12:15 PM

For me, when guys in baseball who's team is around .500 and wins an MVP or in the discussion. It reminds me of A-Rod when he was with Texas and what he said. There would be games where it was a blowout and pitchers would serve him some easy balls to hit HR or get his average up.

Also if he gets in the low 100s WAR and 500 HR then he is an A-Rod (not a bad thing) caliber player minus the roids. I think (for me) he would need to get 130+ WAR (crack the top 10) and hopefully get a ring to be the Babe Ruth of our generation or the Babe Ruth of modern day baseball.

zworykin · 05-10-2022, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time.

29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP.

Complete joke.

Tell us you don't watch baseball without telling us you don't watch baseball...

AstrosFan17 · 05-10-2022, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by caflisch78

He should already have 4 mvp's.....

Nope... he should not have won it in 2019, and I can't see any other season where he should have and didn't. He SHOULD have 2 MVPs.

Boo · 05-10-2022, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Well, if this year is anything like last year, leading the league in nearly all hitting stats doesn't mean jack as long as Ohtani pitches and hits...

If he leads in nearly every stat and Ohtani hits .257 again, Ohtani won't win.

cardsin47 · 05-10-2022, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Well, if this year is anything like last year, leading the league in nearly all hitting stats doesn't mean jack as long as Ohtani pitches and hits...

Fine with me- if that’s what it takes to make it to the World Series…… let Ohtani win MVP for the Season, and Trout win World Series MVP. Now, doesn’t that have a nice ring (get it? ) to it?

eastbayak · 05-10-2022, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time.

29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP.

Complete joke.

Agree with you on this one.

JRX · 05-10-2022, 12:21 PM

The answer to the question originally proposed is the anti Trout arguments will get more and more absurd.

caflisch78 · 05-10-2022, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AstrosFan17

Nope... he should not have won it in 2019, and I can't see any other season where he should have and didn't. He SHOULD have 2 MVPs.

Bregman had more WAR and lost a coin flip, boo hoo. Trout's done that 4 times is my point. He wins 2 of those coin flips, he has 5 mvps....

caflisch78 · 05-10-2022, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eastbayak

Agree with you on this one.

Who shoulda won? Trout let in WAR/Runs/Walks/OBP

Runner up Betts led in At bats....

AstrosFan17 · 05-10-2022, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by caflisch78

Bregman had more WAR and lost a coin flip, boo hoo. Trout's done that 4 times is my point. He wins 2 of those coin flips, he has 5 mvps....

That should not have been a coin flip - you miss 20% of your teams games - IN SEPTEMBER? You're not there when the team needs you most, that alone should automatically disqualify you from winning MVP.

And there are not 4 seasons that he should have won MVP and lost in a coin flip. He was clearly the second (or third) best player in each of those seasons.

And, to be clear, I LOVE Mike Trout - I think he's an all-time talent.

k13 · 05-10-2022, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

Tell us you don't watch baseball without telling us you don't watch baseball...

Having an average season and your team finishing 2nd last in the division is not an MVP.

I don't care how you spin WAR and analytics.

He should not even be on the ballot.

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Raleigh504 Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: NC Posts: 2,664 ig_bljhsports	For me, when guys in baseball who's team is around .500 and wins an MVP or in the discussion. It reminds me of A-Rod when he was with Texas and what he said. There would be games where it was a blowout and pitchers would serve him some easy balls to hit HR or get his average up. Also if he gets in the low 100s WAR and 500 HR then he is an A-Rod (not a bad thing) caliber player minus the roids. I think (for me) he would need to get 130+ WAR (crack the top 10) and hopefully get a ring to be the Babe Ruth of our generation or the Babe Ruth of modern day baseball. __________________ https://myslabs.to/brasm_sports5 https://www.ebay.com/str/jrbuddysportsandmore

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jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,380 jhssketchcards2012	I thinks it’s hard to place him all-time, even with the potential of a 4th MVP. If he wins it, and the Angels have a deep meaningful playoff run a few times the remainder of his time there, I think he will solidify his place as an ATG. Key stats will accumulate as he stays healthy as well. He’s the closest thing we have to an upper echelon type of player… Miggy is the last and I consider Pujols but he has limped into his key career numbers more than ran through them (still a legend). Trout will always be looked down on by many people who just don’t know baseball and it’s history - that’s just a fact. Time will tell where he actually finishes but if he gets above 100 WAR, 500+ HR and finishes string he will be a top 10 all-time player. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-10-2022, 12:01 PM	#7
gmarutiak Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD (but Pittsburgh in my heart!) Posts: 3,136	I think a World Series appearance would do more for his legacy and card prices than another MVP.

05-10-2022, 12:03 PM	#10
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Makes him the worst player to ever win 4 mvp's with some of the worst mvp seasons of all time. 29 hrs 100 rbi .315 and a 74-88 season is not an MVP. Complete joke.

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rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	Well, if this year is anything like last year, leading the league in nearly all hitting stats doesn't mean jack as long as Ohtani pitches and hits...

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,682	The answer to the question originally proposed is the anti Trout arguments will get more and more absurd.