Chet Holmgren = Weaker, Clumsier Ralph Sampson

[cms11]

Thoughts on this? Not that I think Holmgren will be bad in the NBA (especially on defense), but I don't see a guy who will dominate offensively.

[Marshall524]

Not sure you’re going to get much response comparing him to someone pre-2000 as I’m sure a majority of folks on BO never saw RS play. Did I miss where someone said he’d be dominant offensively? If he’s as good or better as Andrew Wiggins I’d say that’d be a success in my book.

[byronscott4ever]

Sampson won college POY three times and is in the HOF so Holmgren has a ways to go but as a MN kid, I hope he does well

[ninjacookies]

Daddy Chetneck ---> Bol² kyphosis X Jose Alvarado tenacity.

Basically GOAT Robert Wadlow.

[oldgoldy97]

Is this clumsy?

[cms11]

Originally Posted by Marshall524

Not sure you’re going to get much response comparing him to someone pre-2000 as I’m sure a majority of folks on BO never saw RS play. Did I miss where someone said he’d be dominant offensively? If he’s as good or better as Andrew Wiggins I’d say that’d be a success in my book.

As an asset to a team, I agree. I've been reading scouting reports that say they think his offense will translate to the NBA and I don't see it.

[cms11]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Is this clumsy?

We'll see how he looks in real games soon.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Is this clumsy?

Was there a girl out there playing?

[Marshall524]

Originally Posted by cms11

As an asset to a team, I agree. I've been reading scouting reports that say they think his offense will translate to the NBA and I don't see it.

I guess it depends what they mean by “his offense”. I didn’t think he was some offensive savant in college. I’d expect a 15ppg 10rpg rookie season. Let’s not act like he was KD in college.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by cms11

Thoughts on this? Not that I think Holmgren will be bad in the NBA (especially on defense), but I don't see a guy who will dominate offensively.

he's good, but i guess he doesn't wow you the way i guess you'd expect a top 5 pick to. but that seems to be the thing nowadays...you don't really have stud college players anymore, a lot of these 1 and done guys.

offensively, i see him in that 15 ppg...idk if that's bad or anything. he needs to bulk up

[cms11]

Originally Posted by oplum29

he's good, but i guess he doesn't wow you the way i guess you'd expect a top 5 pick to. but that seems to be the thing nowadays...you don't really have stud college players anymore, a lot of these 1 and done guys.

offensively, i see him in that 15 ppg...idk if that's bad or anything. he needs to bulk up

Sure, I can see that. I'm just tired of articles like this one comparing him to KD.

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-too-ski...212242847.html

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Sampson won college POY three times and is in the HOF so Holmgren has a ways to go but as a MN kid, I hope he does well

NBA ROY too and averaged 21 and 11 in the first 3 years when healthy. Injuries brought him down. As an older UNC fan I can tell you Ralph was legitimately great (and that Dean Smith owned UVA and Ralph)

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Marshall524

I guess it depends what they mean by “his offense”. I didn’t think he was some offensive savant in college. I’d expect a 15ppg 10rpg rookie season. Let’s not act like he was KD in college.

15/10 rookie season isn’t all that bad.

[the mesiah]

Bad comparison , Not a big fan of Chet but he has more handle, looks more comfortable when shooting mid range and from deep as oppose to Ralph who was born to do his damage in the paint .

[Zedlaw]

Sampson was really good. The Twin Towers made the Finals together after beating a 62 win Lakers squad (not to mention the reigning champs and champs the following year) and taking 2 from arguably the best Bird team of the era (Boston rolled through the playoffs, only losing once enroute to the Finals). I don’t think Chet is going to be a revelation and take the league by storm like Sampson, but if you’re saying he could be undone by early injuries. I hope not, but who knows. 10 Rebs per game from a rookie is no small feat and usually done by physically mature guys, in addition to them being tall. If Chet pulls that off all questions about his lack of physicality will go away.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by cms11

We'll see how he looks in real games soon.

You haven’t watched him in real games?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by cms11

Sure, I can see that. I'm just tired of articles like this one comparing him to KD.

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-too-ski...212242847.html

Honest question: did you read the article?

It’s not saying he’s a KD-like scorer. It said he can have a KD like impact in a different way (can’t lift 135 pounds but can ball).

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by kingb22

NBA ROY too and averaged 21 and 11 in the first 3 years when healthy. Injuries brought him down. As an older UNC fan I can tell you Ralph was legitimately great (and that Dean Smith owned UVA and Ralph)

Isn’t that when Dean was using the four corners because he was scared to play straight up while having 3-4 All Americans?


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

You haven’t watched him in real games?

Do yourself a favor and go watch the Memphis game when Chet played against an NBA prospect and not some random 6’7 white guy who won’t even be playing pro ball in Europe.

Gonzaga had a joke of a schedule and he wasn’t even their best or most dominant player.

It always cracks me up when people share that video of him in middle school or whatever “crossing” up curry as if it means anything.

His realistic comp is Bucks Brook Lopez

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

His realistic comp is Bucks Brook Lopez

His realistic comparison is Chris Boucher with better passing. Boucher was absolutely dominant in the G League and won the MVP. He's shown flashes of the things he did down there while with the Raptors. His best season to date is 13ppg, 7rpg, 2blk, 1as. I fully expect that to be the kind of season Chet puts up with maybe slightly inflated numbers due to increased usage (Boucher only plays just over 20 minutes).

[cms11]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Honest question: did you read the article?

It’s not saying he’s a KD-like scorer. It said he can have a KD like impact in a different way (can’t lift 135 pounds but can ball).

I read that and I think it's ridiculous that he'll have a KD-like impact, even if it's more on defense. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it.

[cms11]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

You haven’t watched him in real games?

College isn't the NBA.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

His realistic comparison is Chris Boucher with better passing. Boucher was absolutely dominant in the G League and won the MVP. He's shown flashes of the things he did down there while with the Raptors. His best season to date is 13ppg, 7rpg, 2blk, 1as. I fully expect that to be the kind of season Chet puts up with maybe slightly inflated numbers due to increased usage (Boucher only plays just over 20 minutes).

Interesting comp, I hadn’t thought about that.

I’d argue that he’s significantly more athletic and has better measurements but Chet is more polished offensively.

[the mesiah]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

Isn’t that when Dean was using the four corners because he was scared to play straight up while having 3-4 All Americans?


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I’m pretty sure it’s the time when Terry Holland couldn’t adjust to The Mastermind Dean Smith and was outsmarted many many times when they played each other.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Interesting comp, I hadn’t thought about that.

I’d argue that he’s significantly more athletic and has better measurements but Chet is more polished offensively.

I don't think he's at all more athletic. Boucher is actually really athletic. Really to me the big difference between the two is passing. Chet has much better court vision.